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PlantedTanks Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Bad traits to work on: tends to force shots and have tunnel vision. Once he gets downhill towards the basket he almost always puts a shot up whereas he should be kicking out or hitting cutters.
Heat checks 3 pointers when he is a below average 3pt shooter. At times a ball hog.
Not a good passer off the dribble. He makes nice passes but they are normally when he is stationary. Need to see if he has the vision to pass while on the move.
Not much lift on his vertical. This is sort of offset with his long arms. |
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The God Particle Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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PlantedTanks wrote: | Bad traits to work on: tends to force shots and have tunnel vision. Once he gets downhill towards the basket he almost always puts a shot up whereas he should be kicking out or hitting cutters.
Heat checks 3 pointers when he is a below average 3pt shooter. At times a ball hog.
Not a good passer off the dribble. He makes nice passes but they are normally when he is stationary. Need to see if he has the vision to pass while on the move.
Not much lift on his vertical. This is sort of offset with his long arms. |
All of those bad traits are necessary to break through ceilings. 19 year olds who are very good offensively and have his on ball skills all struggle with this.
That he's exploring his limits and trying to break through his ceilings is what leads to the tunnel vision and forcing of shots.
It's a good sign in the development of someone so young.
No, I am not saying he's Kobe, but those are the very things Kobe struggled with as an 18-20 year old. It was necessary for Kobe's development. It's how they develop counters, or learn what won't work. Only way to find out what a young players ceiling will be is to try and break through the one there now. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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LakersMD wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakersMD wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Can you guys help me out? I like what little I've seen of THT. But I haven't really seen a whole lot... at least not enough to have an informed opinion. But I see a lot of LGers very high on him. Educate me. |
Combo guard with incredible wingspan and big hands. Average athlete but has Decent defensive instincts coupled with his physical traits may make him a disruptive defender (steals/deflections). Offensively has a lot of shake to his game (one of the only guards on the roster who can create space off the dribble) but at this stage he relies a lot on high degree of difficulty step backs and unorthodox finishes around the rim. Jumper needs work.
Needs a lot of polish but has some tools to become a rotation player. |
Upside argument: a rare, odd intersection of natural strength/frame and freakish wingspan; even though not vertically explosive, anthrometric traits along with quick hips and feet (and the aforementioned defensive instincts) could allow him to guard 1-3 effectively with continued development.
Not yet 20 years old, with his handle, footwork, shot making feel, and passing chops combined with natural confidence he has scoring upside to one day become a good third option (if everything works out). |
No argument from me that that’s his ceiling. Optimistic but not out of the realm of possibility. At the very least he projects as a two way player who you’re not going to have to hide on either end of the floor. |
Cheers, mate. Just adding onto your already cogent breakdown. _________________ Under New Management |
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PlantedTanks Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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The God Particle wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | Bad traits to work on: tends to force shots and have tunnel vision. Once he gets downhill towards the basket he almost always puts a shot up whereas he should be kicking out or hitting cutters.
Heat checks 3 pointers when he is a below average 3pt shooter. At times a ball hog.
Not a good passer off the dribble. He makes nice passes but they are normally when he is stationary. Need to see if he has the vision to pass while on the move.
Not much lift on his vertical. This is sort of offset with his long arms. |
All of those bad traits are necessary to break through ceilings. 19 year olds who are very good offensively and have his on ball skills all struggle with this.
That he's exploring his limits and trying to break through his ceilings is what leads to the tunnel vision and forcing of shots.
It's a good sign in the development of someone so young.
No, I am not saying he's Kobe, but those are the very things Kobe struggled with as an 18-20 year old. It was necessary for Kobe's development. It's how they develop counters, or learn what won't work. Only way to find out what a young players ceiling will be is to try and break through the one there now. |
Agree to a point. It was how BI developed his game starting out by attacking the basket and playing PG when called upon. You could see his progression as he got better year over year.
However some of this is just plain bad decision making where he needs a mentor like Lebron/Rondo to help point out and correct these issues. This has carried over from his play in college to the gleague.
I have high hopes he will make the adjustments as he gains experience in the league. |
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The God Particle Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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PlantedTanks wrote: | The God Particle wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | Bad traits to work on: tends to force shots and have tunnel vision. Once he gets downhill towards the basket he almost always puts a shot up whereas he should be kicking out or hitting cutters.
Heat checks 3 pointers when he is a below average 3pt shooter. At times a ball hog.
Not a good passer off the dribble. He makes nice passes but they are normally when he is stationary. Need to see if he has the vision to pass while on the move.
Not much lift on his vertical. This is sort of offset with his long arms. |
All of those bad traits are necessary to break through ceilings. 19 year olds who are very good offensively and have his on ball skills all struggle with this.
That he's exploring his limits and trying to break through his ceilings is what leads to the tunnel vision and forcing of shots.
It's a good sign in the development of someone so young.
No, I am not saying he's Kobe, but those are the very things Kobe struggled with as an 18-20 year old. It was necessary for Kobe's development. It's how they develop counters, or learn what won't work. Only way to find out what a young players ceiling will be is to try and break through the one there now. |
Agree to a point. It was how BI developed his game starting out by attacking the basket and playing PG when called upon. You could see his progression as he got better year over year.
However some of this is just plain bad decision making where he needs a mentor like Lebron/Rondo to help point out and correct these issues. This has carried over from his play in college to the gleague.
I have high hopes he will make the adjustments as he gains experience in the league. |
He's so young that I think the gauge to his potential is much more what he can already do (he can already do a lot) vs what he can't do. Specially since what he can't do are things that most young players struggle with (shooting, and seeing the floor/shooters, shot selection).
It's a positive that at 19 he's already demonstrating he can be a scorer, albeit an inefficient one. That's a much better sign than if he were an efficient non-scorer at 19.
To my eye anyway, we've hit a homerun with this draft pick. I just hope he gets to show it in a Lakers uniform. |
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PlantedTanks Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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The God Particle wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | The God Particle wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | Bad traits to work on: tends to force shots and have tunnel vision. Once he gets downhill towards the basket he almost always puts a shot up whereas he should be kicking out or hitting cutters.
Heat checks 3 pointers when he is a below average 3pt shooter. At times a ball hog.
Not a good passer off the dribble. He makes nice passes but they are normally when he is stationary. Need to see if he has the vision to pass while on the move.
Not much lift on his vertical. This is sort of offset with his long arms. |
All of those bad traits are necessary to break through ceilings. 19 year olds who are very good offensively and have his on ball skills all struggle with this.
That he's exploring his limits and trying to break through his ceilings is what leads to the tunnel vision and forcing of shots.
It's a good sign in the development of someone so young.
No, I am not saying he's Kobe, but those are the very things Kobe struggled with as an 18-20 year old. It was necessary for Kobe's development. It's how they develop counters, or learn what won't work. Only way to find out what a young players ceiling will be is to try and break through the one there now. |
Agree to a point. It was how BI developed his game starting out by attacking the basket and playing PG when called upon. You could see his progression as he got better year over year.
However some of this is just plain bad decision making where he needs a mentor like Lebron/Rondo to help point out and correct these issues. This has carried over from his play in college to the gleague.
I have high hopes he will make the adjustments as he gains experience in the league. |
He's so young that I think the gauge to his potential is much more what he can already do (he can already do a lot) vs what he can't do. Specially since what he can't do are things that most young players struggle with (shooting, and seeing the floor/shooters, shot selection).
It's a positive that at 19 he's already demonstrating he can be a scorer, albeit an inefficient one. That's a much better sign than if he were an efficient non-scorer at 19.
To my eye anyway, we've hit a homerun with this draft pick. I just hope he gets to show it in a Lakers uniform. |
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Dumhead Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakersMD wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakersMD wrote: | Dumhead wrote: | Can you guys help me out? I like what little I've seen of THT. But I haven't really seen a whole lot... at least not enough to have an informed opinion. But I see a lot of LGers very high on him. Educate me. |
Combo guard with incredible wingspan and big hands. Average athlete but has Decent defensive instincts coupled with his physical traits may make him a disruptive defender (steals/deflections). Offensively has a lot of shake to his game (one of the only guards on the roster who can create space off the dribble) but at this stage he relies a lot on high degree of difficulty step backs and unorthodox finishes around the rim. Jumper needs work.
Needs a lot of polish but has some tools to become a rotation player. |
Upside argument: a rare, odd intersection of natural strength/frame and freakish wingspan; even though not vertically explosive, anthrometric traits along with quick hips and feet (and the aforementioned defensive instincts) could allow him to guard 1-3 effectively with continued development.
Not yet 20 years old, with his handle, footwork, shot making feel, and passing chops combined with natural confidence he has scoring upside to one day become a good third option (if everything works out). |
No argument from me that that’s his ceiling. Optimistic but not out of the realm of possibility. At the very least he projects as a two way player who you’re not going to have to hide on either end of the floor. |
Cheers, mate. Just adding onto your already cogent breakdown. |
Thanks my dudes. _________________ "We got a new universe coming and he's going to control all our universes. We're going to put our universes together" - Metta World Peace |
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MookieBetts50 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Shannon Brown w/out the mad hops! |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Too bad they’ll probably be no summer league this season. NBA Champ THT in Summer League would be nuts. _________________ “You have to dance beautifully in the box that you are comfortable dancing in.” - Kobe Bryant |
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Scoffs Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I hope we don't lose him in some trade deal. If he improves, he's exactly what we need - a playmaking scorer off the bench who's not a terrible defender. |
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LastStand 2.0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think THT will grow into being an outstanding defender one day. He’s got a ridiculous wingspan and quickness
He’s a keeper in my book
Excellent find by the lakers |
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LakerSanity Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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If he was drafted last June, he would have been drafted at age 19. Under normal circumstances, he would have started this season at age 19. He turns 20 next month. He's only 4 months older than James Wiseman. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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BobbyB Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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THT reminds me of Lugenz Dort but with a more polished offensive game. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:26 am Post subject: |
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This kid will help us next season. He has the skills, got in shape and he has the playoff experience from the Houston series as well as watching what it takes to be elite.
He should be a pretty valuable rotation guy next season imo. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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We need him to be a contributor next year. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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The God Particle wrote: | PlantedTanks wrote: | Bad traits to work on: tends to force shots and have tunnel vision. Once he gets downhill towards the basket he almost always puts a shot up whereas he should be kicking out or hitting cutters.
Heat checks 3 pointers when he is a below average 3pt shooter. At times a ball hog.
Not a good passer off the dribble. He makes nice passes but they are normally when he is stationary. Need to see if he has the vision to pass while on the move.
Not much lift on his vertical. This is sort of offset with his long arms. |
All of those bad traits are necessary to break through ceilings. 19 year olds who are very good offensively and have his on ball skills all struggle with this.
That he's exploring his limits and trying to break through his ceilings is what leads to the tunnel vision and forcing of shots.
It's a good sign in the development of someone so young.
No, I am not saying he's Kobe, but those are the very things Kobe struggled with as an 18-20 year old. It was necessary for Kobe's development. It's how they develop counters, or learn what won't work. Only way to find out what a young players ceiling will be is to try and break through the one there now. |
Agreed. He's still so incredibly young and has already shown he belongs on the floor. Although, I guess I'd have a ton of indecision too when I'm used to extending my arms with mitt hands and finishing, as opposed to kicking out to open shooters, which he has shown plenty of at the GLeague level.
It's just NBA speed and contests now. He looks comfortable with it. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Any sense of where Tucker would fall in this year's draft? |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Laker's Fan wrote: | Any sense of where Tucker would fall in this year's draft? |
Easily mid lottery. Not even close.
His age for last year's draft was a big reason why I had him 15 last year. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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epic_ Franchise Player
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Isn't he too young to be in Vegas? _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!! |
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cyborgspider Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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epic_ wrote: | Isn't he too young to be in Vegas? |
I was a teenager when my parents took me there. I could walk around the floor and whatever, just couldn't play any games or ask for a drink. But the buffets, shows, swimming pools & non-gambling arcade games were fair game _________________ Lakers Picks The Next Six Years:
2020 - Own
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:13 am Post subject: |
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MookieBetts50 wrote: | Shannon Brown w/out the mad hops! |
Nah. SB did not have the handles and the craftiness around the hoop. THT is shifty, and even has the euro-step. Totally differently players. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:47 am Post subject: |
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MookieBetts50 wrote: | Shannon Brown w/out the mad hops! |
And the bare ass locker room shot during a live postgame (yet). _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:59 am Post subject: |
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non-player zealot wrote: | MookieBetts50 wrote: | Shannon Brown w/out the mad hops! |
And the bare ass locker room shot during a live postgame (yet). |
I don't remember this one (thankfully) |
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:10 am Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | We need him to be a contributor next year. |
No, we don't. No more than we needed him to be one this past year. However, if he becomes one, that's pretty huge.
I don't think he'll be spending time with Southbay as much next year, but he very well could. Its just hard for even a second year player to get any minutes, no less consistent minutes, on a championship caliber team. Heat this past year was an exception, but their roster was unique and they didn't have the depth to begin with that most NBA title aspiring teams have.
If THT gets minutes next year (which I think he could), its because the Lakers see something in him that's special or its because the Lakers completely struck out with guards in the FA market. If they continue to just see him as another developing player, then most likely he'll spend some good time with Soutbay again while maybe getting a few more opportunities here and there with the Lakers.
The only caveat I will add is that next year expects to be a rushed season. There may be some more load and game management going on to keep people fresh. I could see THT getting extra minutes against the lottery type teams where some of our older players take a game off or get limited minutes, especially on the first or second of a back-to-back. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Laker's Fan wrote: | Any sense of where Tucker would fall in this year's draft? |
Easily mid lottery. Not even close.
His age for last year's draft was a big reason why I had him 15 last year. |
Thanks! I had the impression he would place higher this year, especially since he developed himself physically so much. |
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