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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:30 pm    Post subject:

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So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:35 pm    Post subject:

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lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


There should have been suspensions, what they did was a bigger offense against the league. Turner was just a bad look for the league.
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lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


And in fairness to JT, Clevinger and Plesac did risk others health-wise and weren't punished.

Also, didn't the St Louis Cardinals do the same by going to the casino early in the season before their covid outbreak?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:06 pm    Post subject:

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The hitting on the 88 team wasn’t much, but the pitching staff on that team was loaded. The A’s never faced pitching like that before, and it’s one reason their bats went silent.


We were so injured during that series. Obviously we know about Gibson. Marshall got hurt. Scioscia got hurt. John Tudor blew out his elbow during his Game 3 start. But totally, we had Hershiser at his absolute dominant peak (that was the year of the scoreless innings streak at the end of the regular season), Tim Belcher in his first full season when he was a young phenom, and Tudor (who had a 2.32 ERA that year between the Cardinals and the Dodgers). We traded Pedro Guerrero for Tudor before that year's trade deadline, in what was a huge move at the time. It was a real shame Tudor got hurt because he could have had a much longer career. He could only make it back for 14 innings in 1989, and then he finished his career strongly in 1990 with the Cardinals, putting up a 2.40 ERA in 146.1 IP.

Gee, I had forgotten that Tudor was the victim of a freak accident in 1987 where he suffered a broken leg. While sitting in the dugout, the opposing team's catcher crashed into the dugout trying to catch a foul ball, struck Tudor, and he suffered the injury.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:19 pm    Post subject:

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oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


And in fairness to JT, Clevinger and Plesac did risk others health-wise and weren't punished.

Also, didn't the St Louis Cardinals do the same by going to the casino early in the season before their covid outbreak?


Good point.

JT’s transgression just happened to be on national tv so i can see why it’s getting so much attention.

Btw, and I think someone covered it here, but Fox/ MLB could be in violation of HIPAA law by announcing his positive test without his consent.

Something he may have in his favor against a possible suspension
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:31 pm    Post subject:

oasisdude77 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


And in fairness to JT, Clevinger and Plesac did risk others health-wise and weren't punished.

Also, didn't the St Louis Cardinals do the same by going to the casino early in the season before their covid outbreak?


Good point.

JT’s transgression just happened to be on national tv so i can see why it’s getting so much attention.

Btw, and I think someone covered it here, but Fox/ MLB could be in violation of HIPAA law by announcing his positive test without his consent.

Something he may have in his favor against a possible suspension


Nah, sports players waive their rights to HIPAA laws. Teams and the entire league have the right to their medical records and have the right to announce it.

They gave their consent when they decided to join the professional leagues. It's a requirement.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:38 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


And in fairness to JT, Clevinger and Plesac did risk others health-wise and weren't punished.

Also, didn't the St Louis Cardinals do the same by going to the casino early in the season before their covid outbreak?


Good point.

JT’s transgression just happened to be on national tv so i can see why it’s getting so much attention.

Btw, and I think someone covered it here, but Fox/ MLB could be in violation of HIPAA law by announcing his positive test without his consent.

Something he may have in his favor against a possible suspension


Nah, sports players waive their rights to HIPAA laws. Teams and the entire league have the right to their medical records and have the right to announce it.

They gave their consent when they decided to join the professional leagues. It's a requirement.


You sure? Remember in summer camp when guys would be late or not there and the managers weren't allowed to say as to why.

It was then up to the players to tell the media when they finally did show up they had Covid.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:52 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


And in fairness to JT, Clevinger and Plesac did risk others health-wise and weren't punished.

Also, didn't the St Louis Cardinals do the same by going to the casino early in the season before their covid outbreak?


Have to agree with VLF here (just checked to see if pigs were flying outside my window). The others breached the rules already in place but we not positive. JT was positive and directly disobeyed orders and knowingly put people at risk when HE KNEW he had covid. He also did all of this on tv after he was diagnosed, sending a message of complete irresponsibility to all his fans. Essentially, even if you have covid, to hell with being safe.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:44 pm    Post subject:

oasisdude77 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


And in fairness to JT, Clevinger and Plesac did risk others health-wise and weren't punished.

Also, didn't the St Louis Cardinals do the same by going to the casino early in the season before their covid outbreak?


Good point.

JT’s transgression just happened to be on national tv so i can see why it’s getting so much attention.

Btw, and I think someone covered it here, but Fox/ MLB could be in violation of HIPAA law by announcing his positive test without his consent.

Something he may have in his favor against a possible suspension


Nah, sports players waive their rights to HIPAA laws. Teams and the entire league have the right to their medical records and have the right to announce it.

They gave their consent when they decided to join the professional leagues. It's a requirement.


You sure? Remember in summer camp when guys would be late or not there and the managers weren't allowed to say as to why.

It was then up to the players to tell the media when they finally did show up they had Covid.


Yeah, I’m sure.

That’s an extremely good example and I think I can differentiate.

Anything sports related (and is connected to the team’s or league’s medical personnel) - the player’s waive HIPAA.

Now offseason is a good question. And I’m not clear on the offseason. (Didn’t Jeff Kemp or Bumgarner have some injury in the offseason and they reported what happened? I’m pretty sure the HIPAA waiver covers the length of the contract as long as it is sports related).

Covid was not sports related, so players harn’t waived their HIPAA rights to covid yet at that point.

However once the season started and MLB and the players association came up with a covid agreement, in that agreement was a waiver of HIPAA rights.

I can’t give sources. I’m only guessing, but I’m pretty confident.

It would be the same as when they never had a PED testing policy so they couldnt release any information as to who failed and what not. Once they had an agreement in place, they were free to release info.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:49 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
oasisdude77 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
So Astros players don't get punished for cheating but they are gonna go hard for JT for posing with his team in a time of celebration. I want some damn consistency MLB.


In fairness, what JT did was pretty stupid and put others at risk health-wise.

The Astros didn't actually risk anybody's health...though I still think they should've been suspended.


And in fairness to JT, Clevinger and Plesac did risk others health-wise and weren't punished.

Also, didn't the St Louis Cardinals do the same by going to the casino early in the season before their covid outbreak?


Good point.

JT’s transgression just happened to be on national tv so i can see why it’s getting so much attention.

Btw, and I think someone covered it here, but Fox/ MLB could be in violation of HIPAA law by announcing his positive test without his consent.

Something he may have in his favor against a possible suspension


Nah, sports players waive their rights to HIPAA laws. Teams and the entire league have the right to their medical records and have the right to announce it.

They gave their consent when they decided to join the professional leagues. It's a requirement.


You sure? Remember in summer camp when guys would be late or not there and the managers weren't allowed to say as to why.

It was then up to the players to tell the media when they finally did show up they had Covid.


Yeah, I’m sure.

That’s an extremely good example and I think I can differentiate.

Anything sports related (and is connected to the team’s or league’s medical personnel) - the player’s waive HIPAA.

Now offseason is a good question. And I’m not clear on the offseason. (Didn’t Jeff Kemp or Bumgarner have some injury in the offseason and they reported what happened? I’m pretty sure the HIPAA waiver covers the length of the contract as long as it is sports related).

Covid was not sports related, so players harn’t waived their HIPAA rights to covid yet at that point.

However once the season started and MLB and the players association came up with a covid agreement, in that agreement was a waiver of HIPAA rights.

I can’t give sources. I’m only guessing, but I’m pretty confident.

It would be the same as when they never had a PED testing policy so they couldnt release any information as to who failed and what not. Once they had an agreement in place, they were free to release info.


Ok scratch all that I just said. I just googled it. This was as of June 2020. So yeah, they could have violated his HIPAA rights. This is interesting.

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Cashman added: "I don't believe we're allowed to validate any COVID circumstance. That's my understanding as of right now. This is an emerging situation that is new to us all, but I believe that's the current indication that we've received from baseball in their dialogue with the players' association."


And this was as of July 2020

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According to the release, 3,185 samples were collected and tested this past week, the first week of intake testing. Positive tests occurred among 19 of the 30 big-league teams.

Those who tested positive were not identified and will not be identified per HIPAA laws, though individuals can disclose their results, as can teams if given permission by the player or staff member. For instance, Indians president of baseball operations Chris Antonetti announced Friday that outfielder Delino DeShields Jr. had tested positive.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:57 pm    Post subject:

More info:

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Under these agreements, each player is required to execute a HIPAA-compliant authorization for the use and disclosure of health information about the player. By signing the UPC, the player authorizes disclosure of employment-related injuries.


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If a medical condition, other than an employment-related injury, prevents a player from playing and the player has not provided the club with specific written authorization to disclose information about the medical condition, the club may disclose only that a medical condition is preventing the player from playing and the anticipated absence of the player from the club.

COVID-19 status, therefore, is not deemed to be an employment-related injury that would allow an MLB club to disclose details regarding prognosis and treatment. Although a player may authorize a team to disclose his COVID-19 status, such authority is not automatic under either HIPAA or the documents governing the employment relationship.


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In practical terms, this compliance with the HIPAA privacy and ADA confidentiality rules with respect to COVID-19 means that even if a player tests positive, the club or its staff may not disclose that to the public unless granted permission to do so by the player. Any unauthorized disclosure could constitute a HIPAA violation, for which significant federal civil monetary penalties may apply if the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services investigates a compliant or performs a compliance audit. Additionally, a player might be able to bring a collective bargaining grievance, or to allege a breach of the employment contract.


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As it currently stands, teams cannot in any way acknowledge that a player is sidelined due to any COVID-19 issues — a positive test, delayed results which require isolation, symptoms, exposure to someone who has it — without their permission due to privacy concerns and HIPAA laws, per union orders.

Some teams have gotten that go-ahead and announced the names — some big ones — of players who tested positive, such as Braves first baseman Freddie Freeman, Royals catcher Salvador Perez and Padres outfielder Tommy Pham, the ex-Ray. Some dropped hints or had the information leak out.


Here’s what we know though. MLB didn’t release the info initially. They informed the Dodgers who removed JT. Somehow the info leaked and the media reported it. Who were their sources?

Manfred did talk about it in the post game but we don’t know if he got permission first.
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^This team is loaded compared to ‘88. You may remember the time Lasorda was interviewed after Game 4 ‘88 and said the players were angered when they heard Costas in the pregame say to the effect that the 1988 Dodgers had the weakest hitting line-up in World Series history (outside of Marshal and Gibson). They chanted “Kill Costas, kill Costas” and took it out on the A’s with a victory. Unsung heroes, the Stuntmen with Danny Heep, Franklin Stubbs, Rick Dempsey, and of course Mickey Hatcher.



I remember the telecast. Costas did not exclude Marshall, only Gibson. It was made in reference to Gibson not being expected to play in Game One.

Marshall was a rather meh ballplayer. Some good pop from time to time, struck out too much, wasn't particularly clutch, too easily injured. BA was ok, OBP was below average. He was the second best hitter on the 1988 team, which is why Costa's comment was justified.

Typical Marshall, he homered during Game 2, providing insurance runs. Then got injured.


Well said, he showed a lot of promise early on especially when he was coming up from Albuquerque, but his career fell short of expectations. That ‘88 year was likely peak Moose, he led the team in RBI’s. I remember that 3-run home run off Storm Davis in Game 2 then he didn’t play a full game until Game 5.

It was 32 years ago, so memories aren’t what they used to be and seeing this Costas pregame again did bring some details back. He apparently did mention Mike Marshall and Kirk Gibson around 2:26:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ViV6zUPfzp8&t=140
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:57 am    Post subject:

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^This team is loaded compared to ‘88. You may remember the time Lasorda was interviewed after Game 4 ‘88 and said the players were angered when they heard Costas in the pregame say to the effect that the 1988 Dodgers had the weakest hitting line-up in World Series history (outside of Marshal and Gibson). They chanted “Kill Costas, kill Costas” and took it out on the A’s with a victory. Unsung heroes, the Stuntmen with Danny Heep, Franklin Stubbs, Rick Dempsey, and of course Mickey Hatcher.



I remember the telecast. Costas did not exclude Marshall, only Gibson. It was made in reference to Gibson not being expected to play in Game One.

Marshall was a rather meh ballplayer. Some good pop from time to time, struck out too much, wasn't particularly clutch, too easily injured. BA was ok, OBP was below average. He was the second best hitter on the 1988 team, which is why Costa's comment was justified.

Typical Marshall, he homered during Game 2, providing insurance runs. Then got injured.


Well said, he showed a lot of promise early on especially when he was coming up from Albuquerque, but his career fell short of expectations. That ‘88 year was likely peak Moose, he led the team in RBI’s. I remember that 3-run home run off Storm Davis in Game 2 then he didn’t play a full game until Game 5.

It was 32 years ago, so memories aren’t what they used to be and seeing this Costas pregame again did bring some details back. He apparently did mention Mike Marshall and Kirk Gibson around 2:26:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ViV6zUPfzp8&t=140




That my friend was a major source of frustration for many Dodgers fans. Remember when Marshall and Greg Brock were putting up Ruthian and Gehrig-like numbers in Albuquerque? Marshall's ongoing glower didn't endear himself to the fans either. I was a semi-regular at Chavez Ravine back then, and the fans simply never liked him.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:24 am    Post subject:

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angrypuppy wrote:
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^This team is loaded compared to ‘88. You may remember the time Lasorda was interviewed after Game 4 ‘88 and said the players were angered when they heard Costas in the pregame say to the effect that the 1988 Dodgers had the weakest hitting line-up in World Series history (outside of Marshal and Gibson). They chanted “Kill Costas, kill Costas” and took it out on the A’s with a victory. Unsung heroes, the Stuntmen with Danny Heep, Franklin Stubbs, Rick Dempsey, and of course Mickey Hatcher.



I remember the telecast. Costas did not exclude Marshall, only Gibson. It was made in reference to Gibson not being expected to play in Game One.

Marshall was a rather meh ballplayer. Some good pop from time to time, struck out too much, wasn't particularly clutch, too easily injured. BA was ok, OBP was below average. He was the second best hitter on the 1988 team, which is why Costa's comment was justified.

Typical Marshall, he homered during Game 2, providing insurance runs. Then got injured.


Well said, he showed a lot of promise early on especially when he was coming up from Albuquerque, but his career fell short of expectations. That ‘88 year was likely peak Moose, he led the team in RBI’s. I remember that 3-run home run off Storm Davis in Game 2 then he didn’t play a full game until Game 5.

It was 32 years ago, so memories aren’t what they used to be and seeing this Costas pregame again did bring some details back. He apparently did mention Mike Marshall and Kirk Gibson around 2:26:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ViV6zUPfzp8&t=140




That my friend was a major source of frustration for many Dodgers fans. Remember when Marshall and Greg Brock were putting up Ruthian and Gehrig-like numbers in Albuquerque? Marshall's ongoing glower didn't endear himself to the fans either. I was a semi-regular at Chavez Ravine back then, and the fans simply never liked him.


I dont need to remind you guys of the constant stream of future "hall of famers" that were supposed to come from Albuquerque and never did. Remember Claire's insistence on keeping Wetteland and "future third baseman" Jeff Hamilton instead of trading them when the opportunity arose for a skinny 5-tool player from Pittsburgh named Barry Bonds???? Or how about another future stud in Franklin Stubbs??? Or the guy who was going to solve our left field needs in the 90s and my favorite - another great power bat to add to Piazza, Karros and Mondesi in "Light Tower Power" Billy Ashley????
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:57 am    Post subject:

i love JT, but this incident may be the perfect way for him and the team to part ways. his production has been declining, if not for this incident, Dodgers probably going to bring him back just because he's JT. but now the team has a reason not to bring him back, and frankly, i think JT welcomes a fresh start also after the backlashes.
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i love JT, but this incident may be the perfect way for him and the team to part ways. his production has been declining, if not for this incident, Dodgers probably going to bring him back just because he's JT. but now the team has a reason not to bring him back, and frankly, i think JT welcomes a fresh start also after the backlashes.


The team has to look to the future and keep their payroll flexible in order to keep guys like Bellinger, Seager, Urias when their next contracts come up. I am by no means saying they should move off of Turner, but given his age, injury history, and gradual decline, he should not be given a lengthy contract at a high AAV. He's been a good Dodger, but he hasn't built the kind of goodwill that a Kobe/Kershaw has to deserve an overpay in the twilight of his career.

I think Friedman has far more discipline than most of his counterparts, so I don't believe he would jeopardize the future of the team with such a short-sighted move. It's those kinds of moves cost your top talent to be traded away or walk in FA (see: Mookie Betts in BOS). Now if the NL keeps the DH next season/going forward, JT has more value because he still has a great bat. The Dodgers should be looking to line up their next 3B shortly though (or SS if they end up moving Seager over).

I'd be good with the Dodgers offering JT a decent 1 year deal with a second year team option.

What Friedman has to get done this offseason is fixing the back of the bullpen. No way should we be entering next season with Jansen as our closer. Whether it be Graterol, Treinen, or someone else, Friedman needs to get us a closer that doesn't throw 90 MPH meatballs that don't even cut.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:10 pm    Post subject:

JT just finished a 4 year $64 million contract. Friedman should offer him something like a 2 year deal around 12 million per year. Something that is fair to both sides.
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Hours after the Dodgers won their first championship since 1988, the players’ union announced that 147 players, including seven Dodgers, were declared free agents Wednesday.

More free agents are expected to hit the market when options are declined and contracts are not tendered around the majors.

1) Justin Turner,
2) Joc Pederson,
3) Kiké Hernández,
4) Alex Wood,
5) Blake Treinen,
6) Pedro Báez,
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:40 pm    Post subject:

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JT just finished a 4 year $64 million contract. Friedman should offer him something like a 2 year deal around 12 million per year. Something that is fair to both sides.


His stats the last 4 years look pretty good to me:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turneju01.shtml

He is going to get big money offers and with how clutch he has been, in my opinion the Dodgers need to seriously consider keeping him on the team with a legit offer.

What am I missing?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:37 pm    Post subject:

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4stargeneralbulldog wrote:
JT just finished a 4 year $64 million contract. Friedman should offer him something like a 2 year deal around 12 million per year. Something that is fair to both sides.


His stats the last 4 years look pretty good to me:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turneju01.shtml

He is going to get big money offers and with how clutch he has been, in my opinion the Dodgers need to seriously consider keeping him on the team with a legit offer.

What am I missing?


He's entering his age 36 season, plus guys like Seager, Bellinger, Urias, Buehler are looking for a big payday, soon. Something like a 2 year contract in the range of 10-13 million per year is fair, imo. The Dodgers will need to have the flexibility to sign those guys I mentioned in the nearby future. I get it, Jt is a fan favorite, but his age is a significant factor.
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JT just finished a 4 year $64 million contract. Friedman should offer him something like a 2 year deal around 12 million per year. Something that is fair to both sides.


His stats the last 4 years look pretty good to me:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turneju01.shtml

He is going to get big money offers and with how clutch he has been, in my opinion the Dodgers need to seriously consider keeping him on the team with a legit offer.

What am I missing?


He's entering his age 36 season, plus guys like Seager, Bellinger, Urias, Buehler are looking for a big payday, soon. Something like a 2 year contract in the range of 10-13 million per year is fair, imo. The Dodgers will need to have the flexibility to sign those guys I mentioned in the nearby future. I get it, Jt is a fan favorite, but his age is a significant factor.


I wonder if we’ll really re-sign Seager. Seager’s going to get paid.

Seager’s also going to hit free agency. We’ve never won a bidding war before. Once an elite player hits free agency, the winning contracts are never reasonable.

I really can’t think of one.

I think the baseline for Seager’s next deal starts at Machado’s contract: 10 years $300M. That’s gotta be the base. And once Seager hits free agency, Machado’s deal would be 3 years old.

Here’s something else to think about: let’s say we plan on moving Seager to 3rd to make room for Lux at SS next year. Would Seager object? It’s the same with Machado. Machado wanted to play SS for his final year so that he hits free agency as a SS, thus driving up his value. Seager would be worth more as a SS than he would as a 3rd baseman.

It’s something to think about. However, Seager doesn’t seem like the type that would cause issues/problems. But, his agent is still Scott Boras.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:28 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
4stargeneralbulldog wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
4stargeneralbulldog wrote:
JT just finished a 4 year $64 million contract. Friedman should offer him something like a 2 year deal around 12 million per year. Something that is fair to both sides.


His stats the last 4 years look pretty good to me:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turneju01.shtml

He is going to get big money offers and with how clutch he has been, in my opinion the Dodgers need to seriously consider keeping him on the team with a legit offer.

What am I missing?








He's entering his age 36 season, plus guys like Seager, Bellinger, Urias, Buehler are looking for a big payday, soon. Something like a 2 year contract in the range of 10-13 million per year is fair, imo. The Dodgers will need to have the flexibility to sign those guys I mentioned in the nearby future. I get it, Jt is a fan favorite, but his age is a significant factor.


I wonder if we’ll really re-sign Seager. Seager’s going to get paid.

Seager’s also going to hit free agency. We’ve never won a bidding war before. Once an elite player hits free agency, the winning contracts are never reasonable.

I really can’t think of one.

I think the baseline for Seager’s next deal starts at Machado’s contract: 10 years $300M. That’s gotta be the base. And once Seager hits free agency, Machado’s deal would be 3 years old.

Here’s something else to think about: let’s say we plan on moving Seager to 3rd to make room for Lux at SS next year. Would Seager object? It’s the same with Machado. Machado wanted to play SS for his final year so that he hits free agency as a SS, thus driving up his value. Seager would be worth more as a SS than he would as a 3rd baseman.

It’s something to think about. However, Seager doesn’t seem like the type that would cause issues/problems. But, his agent is still Scott Boras.


Seager, Bellinger, Buehler, Urias are young and should be the cornerstone of this franchise, I'd say we should sign them for market value or near it. All of them are young and most important of all, proven. Also, some big contracts come off the book next year in Jansen and Kershaw, giving us great flexibility.

Back to JT, I wouldn't give him more than 2 years and the contract should be in the 10-13 million range per year. That's more than fair for a guy entering his age 36 season. He's only played past 150 games once and he usually misses around 30 games per season.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:00 pm    Post subject:

You know, I've been thinking something like a 2 year, $30MM offer for Turner could be fair. But given that all 30 clubs passed on procuring Brad Hand for a 1 year, $10MM deal, I think the free agent market is going to be ugly for players. Relatively modest options for Brandon Kintzler and Darren O'Day were also declined by their clubs.

We might be able to retain Turner for substantially less than I was thinking, if we wanted to.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:28 pm    Post subject:

4stargeneralbulldog wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
4stargeneralbulldog wrote:
JT just finished a 4 year $64 million contract. Friedman should offer him something like a 2 year deal around 12 million per year. Something that is fair to both sides.


His stats the last 4 years look pretty good to me:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turneju01.shtml

He is going to get big money offers and with how clutch he has been, in my opinion the Dodgers need to seriously consider keeping him on the team with a legit offer.

What am I missing?


He's entering his age 36 season, plus guys like Seager, Bellinger, Urias, Buehler are looking for a big payday, soon. Something like a 2 year contract in the range of 10-13 million per year is fair, imo. The Dodgers will need to have the flexibility to sign those guys I mentioned in the nearby future. I get it, Jt is a fan favorite, but his age is a significant factor.


You guys don’t think the NL will have the DH soon? Turner tied his career high in homer runs in 2019 and still looks pretty solid at the plate. I don’t think his hitting has been declining.

He is so good in the playoffs. I just looked at his career postseason numbers and they are consistently solid. He always seems to be a real threat and a guy you want at the plate in a key spot. I would rather have Turner up in a playoff at-bat instead of Barry Bonds or Alex Rodriguez (compare the stats if you don’t believe me, I just did). To be fair, guys like Bonds and ARod had more pressure on them to perform, but when I bring up names like that and Turner compares well to them in the postseason, I think it helps show that players like Turner are not easy to replace.
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