Would You trade for Harden?
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  

Would You trade for Harden?
Yes
18%
 18%  [ 18 ]
No
81%
 81%  [ 79 ]
Total Votes : 97

Author Message
Dreamshake
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 13708

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:27 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Would Golden State offer Wiseman + Wiggins + own pick + Minnesota pick for Harden? And would Houston accept?


No x 2
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lakersboy
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 8518
Location: Left coast

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:26 pm    Post subject:

He's scoring less, shooting worse, but at least he's consistent...playing the same terrible D he always does.

Without a coach spoon feeding him a ton of shots, he won't score anywhere near like he's done in the past. His recent poor shooting appears to be a reflection on work ethic and at this stage of his career. He can keep partying without a mask in Houston because I don't trust him to do what's best for this team.

I like the combination of offense and defense that guys like KCP and AC play much better than the 1 side of the court ball that he plays.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
KBandKB
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 2278

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:43 pm    Post subject:

As much as people here hate Mike D’antoni, his system works with certain teams. The rockets found success with him the last four years, maybe not to go deep in the playoffs but good enough to be considered a dark horse contender.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
mad55557777
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 22801

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:52 pm    Post subject:

If you see how bad harden is without the ball in his hand all the time, you wouldn’t want to trade for him.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
joeblow
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 24 Nov 2008
Posts: 3075

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:27 am    Post subject:

KBandKB wrote:
As much as people here hate Mike D’antoni, his system works with certain teams. The rockets found success with him the last four years, maybe not to go deep in the playoffs but good enough to be considered a dark horse contender.

Eh, D'Antoni needs specific types of players to make it work though. As a Lakers coach, he did a horrible job trying to force our bigs into three point shooters because he didn't like posting them up that much.

Even in Houston, we see that his lineups over the last few years worked to some extent because (for example) PJ Tucker's role on offense was to catch corner threes and shoot them. This season, the new coach has the team running a more diverse motion offense and Tucker looks terrible in it since his ball handling and play making abilities are limited.

I guess its giving credit to a GM (in Phoenix and in Houston) who helped build a team that MD could coach is just as important as MD's coaching if not moreso. He's too focused on one side of the floor without much flexibility to adjust to alternative rosters to get my utmost respect.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
hype
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Posts: 4369
Location: Lake Nacimiento

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:57 am    Post subject:

joeblow wrote:
KBandKB wrote:
As much as people here hate Mike D’antoni, his system works with certain teams. The rockets found success with him the last four years, maybe not to go deep in the playoffs but good enough to be considered a dark horse contender.

Eh, D'Antoni needs specific types of players to make it work though. As a Lakers coach, he did a horrible job trying to force our bigs into three point shooters because he didn't like posting them up that much.

Even in Houston, we see that his lineups over the last few years worked to some extent because (for example) PJ Tucker's role on offense was to catch corner threes and shoot them. This season, the new coach has the team running a more diverse motion offense and Tucker looks terrible in it since his ball handling and play making abilities are limited.

I guess its giving credit to a GM (in Phoenix and in Houston) who helped build a team that MD could coach is just as important as MD's coaching if not moreso. He's too focused on one side of the floor without much flexibility to adjust to alternative rosters to get my utmost respect.


No coach is looking great with this current version of Harden. If Harden was playing up to his usual self and in at least kind of decent shape (both mentally and physically) I bet the Rockets would look close to last years team. That locker room has to be toxic as well and that kind of thing affects the entire organization from the Players up and will only get worse if they don't win games.

D'Antoni has had some pretty loaded rosters throughout his head coaching career while winning as many Championships as I have and his teams consistently play worse in the Playoffs then the Regular season while most Championship teams take the opposite approach.

Him and Harden were just great together since they could consistently look like a monster in the regular season but fall apart together in the Playoffs.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
CabinCreek44
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Apr 2001
Posts: 3855

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:51 am    Post subject:

Harden has long been one of the most overrated players in the league and right now he’s a train wreck. The fact that he’s allowed himself to get horribly out of game shape is unprofessional to the core.

Even at his best, he’s just good enough to lose with.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
defense
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 39322

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:25 am    Post subject:

Trade Kuzma and Harrell for harden
Trade harden for lamelo and picks
Prosper

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
governator
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 24996

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:05 am    Post subject:

Harden definitely had his pregame meal lol, Hou announcer is savage

he seems to have quit, not playing hard at all, grab Ben Simmons and move on
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:40 am    Post subject:

I would not trade for Harden.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
BlueNGold
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 21 Jun 2018
Posts: 1617

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:43 am    Post subject:

Can't post the link right now, but Nick Wright (on Twitter) tweeted that Brooklyn is willing to include Kyrie.

No doubt his recent antics have led to this. But if Brooklyn is actually a place that Kyrie wants to be, imagine the nightmare he will be in Houston.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Halflife
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 16656

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:45 am    Post subject:

I don’t think he fits. His d last year wasn’t horrible but Vogel seems to demand defense which isn’t first on hardens to do list
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:26 am    Post subject:

I would not trade FOR Kyrie or Harden.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
oaktown_dimond
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Nov 2007
Posts: 1357

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:12 am    Post subject:

Vogel and Harden is a recipe for disaster IMHO. Harden is entitled and FAR from selfless. Vogel demands effort on defense. Frank is a diplomat, but i don't see this working.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lakersboy
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 8518
Location: Left coast

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:42 am    Post subject:

On the broadcast last night, they said he's shooting 27% three pt shots. He's #6 in turnovers, every player attacks him on defense, and he has a large salary. What a bargain!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Lakeshow323
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 17 Nov 2016
Posts: 1275
Location: LA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:43 am    Post subject:

Too many pregame meals for me.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
governator
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 24996

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:46 am    Post subject:

Harden gonna bounce back to form... just wouldn't do it for the rox. Harden is re-taking the upper hand from the owner
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 32979

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:26 am    Post subject:

Yes, but only after he loses 15 pounds
_________________
Under New Management
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:33 am    Post subject:

The talent is unquestioned.

The heart. Work ethic. Chemistry problems are all for real.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
BandwagonLBJhopper
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 07 Feb 2020
Posts: 3563

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:04 am    Post subject:

Harden is intentionally tanking his value. I can't stand his style of play but he can put up buckets, I'd def take him.

If he goes to Philly for 30 cents on the dollar they immediately become our biggest threat to the crown. For BKN similar.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Zhengi
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Posts: 6445

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:35 am    Post subject:

Harden is a franchise player. I would say yes cause Lebron and AD will motivate him to be better and winning a championship should change his attitude. The talent is there.
_________________
I'm like a Hadouken, down-right Fierce!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger ICQ Number Reply with quote
MJST
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 06 Jul 2014
Posts: 26085

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:30 pm    Post subject:

No. He came into this season intentionally out of shape. Constantly goes to strip clubs after games instead of working on his game. Blame everyone but himself for his failures and why he can't take his team further.

Then he intentionally sabotages his team's efforts by not going to training camp, saying he was "working with his trainers", then shows up in the worst shape of his career. Then continues to blame the franchise, management, and his teammates for the team's issues and not drawing any attention to the shape he came into this season.


No. I wouldn't trade for him, and I'd never want to see him in Purple and Gold. We're fine without him. I hope Houston sends him to Cleveland or something.
_________________
How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
cathy78
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 21 Jan 2013
Posts: 1413

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:33 pm    Post subject:

Depth vs Diva?
I take depth and team chemistry vs out of shape stripclubber.


Last edited by cathy78 on Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:13 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
wolfpaclaker
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 29 May 2002
Posts: 58318

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:42 pm    Post subject:

As a 3rd best player, the responsibility on his shoulders would be a lot less. This is a hypothetical, so yes, in that scenario, yes. Why - because in that dream world scenario where we have the assets Houston wants, James and Davis talk with Harden BEFORE we even make a move. Think about Dwight last year, how they talked to him ... There is Lakers culture and a winning tradition with defensive workhorse mentality from their coach. Harden would get in line real quick.

So yes, I would trade for him, and as he showed in OKC, he can be a combo guard. MDA turned him into an isolation PG only guy, but there is no doubt in my mind James has the skill to be a secondary ballhandler and play the "Wade-Kyrie" role. Just think about it, Dennis' usage is 23-24%. James Harden would be a tad more if he got in line. Talent is talent, and I can't stand the guy. It would literally hurt me to see him on the Lakers, as I have disliked his game since he left OKC. But if you can get a talent like that as your 3rd best player on a steal type of trade ... I do it. The longterm asset alone as having 3 bonafide superstars, makes this team a dynasty, and allows the Lakers to possibly win rings even after Bron is no longer a top 3 players in the league (something I can not say right now with the AD-Bron + role player formula).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
governator
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 24996

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Caris Levert/Oladipo is the best player Houston could get for Harden, what!!! Nets with the robbery
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Page 4 of 4
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB