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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:08 am    Post subject:

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cal1piggy wrote:
new cases are down, good.
vaccines taking a bit longer to be generally available, expected.
more mutation news as virus evolve due to antibodies from vaccination and prior infections.

looks like covid is here to stay.
hopefully severity becomes like the cold and the flu
even with mutations, we have some level of protection from severe cases


Of course the new cases are down. The PCR test threshold was changed to ensure the numbers went down.

All the other societal safety protocols of vaccinations, masking, social distancing and intelligent safety measures all absolutely contribute.

But changing the line in the sand of what constitutes a "positive" sure contributes to the "new cases being down".


Do you have a source where you're getting your information from?
I'm only aware of one incidence of confusion which the following clears up:
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/most-positive-pcr-test-results-are-true-positives-who-information-notice-didnt-change-threshold-or-criteria-for-a-positive-test/?fbclid=IwAR1DrdR__cDvwEl4CP4CWBQPIiiXnrHsEyq-Oj8ni6r8mK1Oc_6E3PSPRZM


Thank you for posting the article. But even the "fact check" aspect of the article has nuances when using critical reading skills. How those nuances are interpreted can be the difference in opinion. Whether by trained professionals or by laymen.

In the article and from the WHO release itself they discuss the current results of the positives and the need to evaluate the overall patient symptoms subjectively if results are "weak". What is considered a "weak" positive that should be considered by professionals interpreting the test results?

Bottom line, the PCR testing has been under discussion for months concerning the "sensitivity" of the testing results. For lack of a better term, "false positives". WHO recently addressed it by stating that those "weak" positive tests need to be evaluated differently. Even in the stated replies quoted it stated "even an inconsequential 1% change in results would change the reporting totals". Is it 1%/ More?

The WHO may not have "admitted" any changes but in reality the changes in numbers can be in some small part attributed to how the test data is interpreted and reported.

And to be clear, My opinion is the numbers changed in some small way because of a recently changed criteria. You interpret that same info any way you want. The reported numbers has little to do with our need to remain vigilant and follow safe social protocols.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:57 am    Post subject:

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Thank you for posting the article. But even the "fact check" aspect of the article has nuances when using critical reading skills. How those nuances are interpreted can be the difference in opinion. Whether by trained professionals or by laymen.

In the article and from the WHO release itself they discuss the current results of the positives and the need to evaluate the overall patient symptoms subjectively if results are "weak". What is considered a "weak" positive that should be considered by professionals interpreting the test results?

Bottom line, the PCR testing has been under discussion for months concerning the "sensitivity" of the testing results. For lack of a better term, "false positives". WHO recently addressed it by stating that those "weak" positive tests need to be evaluated differently. Even in the stated replies quoted it stated "even an inconsequential 1% change in results would change the reporting totals". Is it 1%/ More?

The WHO may not have "admitted" any changes but in reality the changes in numbers can be in some small part attributed to how the test data is interpreted and reported.

And to be clear, My opinion is the numbers changed in some small way because of a recently changed criteria. You interpret that same info any way you want. The reported numbers has little to do with our need to remain vigilant and follow safe social protocols.


I see, thanks. Just so we're clear my intent was to make sure I had not missed some valid source of information. And agreed on remaining vigilant.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:28 pm    Post subject:

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Update on Johnson and Johnson’s single dose vaccine

https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-scientist-kizzy-johnson-and-johnson-covid-shot-darn-good-2021-1?amp

Basically results are pretty darn good. 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid.

72 percent effective in reducing symptoms from Covid in the USA. Bad news is about 55 percent effective in South Africa where a new variant of Covid makes up a majority of cases. In other words it may have a harder time against the new Covid variant from South Africa.

Since it’s single dose it could be definitely help with vaccine distribution and eve through it’s less effective than Moderna or Pfizer it still very effective in reducing severe Covid and deaths. They are expected to start emergency use authorization with FDA starting next week.


thanks lar

is the 85% in reducing severe symptoms the same parameter as the pfizer being 95%? or is it the 72% for apples to apples?


Actually the 85 percent isnt the same 95 percent for Moderna and Pfizer vaccine.

The Moderna and Pfizer are 95 percent effective in reducing the chance of having symptoms from Covid while Johnson and Johnson is 72 percent effective in this so not as good as Pfizer and Moderna.

But it is 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid which are symptoms like Fever and Shortness and breath while Pfizer and Moderna are about 100 percent effective in this.

But the end result in reducing death and hospitalization all these 3 are 100 percent effective even against Variants. As far as heard Latest results show that out of about 40 million Americans who at least receive one dose of Moderna or Pfizer none have died from Covid. Meaning if we all go and get the vaccine once available there is a good chance this Covid thing will be signicantly reduced if not over.

And early data shows one dose can also reduce transmission to others. Data for the same on two doses should come in April, but Isreali who has already given two doses to a significant number of their population have reported significantly reduced viral loads in vaccinated people who received the vaccine and still got Covid, which should translate to a significant reduction in transmission.

So all in all very good results regarding these vaccines. Supply still limited but their appears to plans on the works starting Aril that should increase availability along with Johnson and a Johnson vaccine becoming available.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:54 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
Update on Johnson and Johnson’s single dose vaccine

https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-scientist-kizzy-johnson-and-johnson-covid-shot-darn-good-2021-1?amp

Basically results are pretty darn good. 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid.

72 percent effective in reducing symptoms from Covid in the USA. Bad news is about 55 percent effective in South Africa where a new variant of Covid makes up a majority of cases. In other words it may have a harder time against the new Covid variant from South Africa.

Since it’s single dose it could be definitely help with vaccine distribution and eve through it’s less effective than Moderna or Pfizer it still very effective in reducing severe Covid and deaths. They are expected to start emergency use authorization with FDA starting next week.


thanks lar

is the 85% in reducing severe symptoms the same parameter as the pfizer being 95%? or is it the 72% for apples to apples?


Actually the 85 percent isnt the same 95 percent for Moderna and Pfizer vaccine.

The Moderna and Pfizer are 95 percent effective in reducing the chance of having symptoms from Covid while Johnson and Johnson is 72 percent effective in this so not as good as Pfizer and Moderna.

But it is 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid which are symptoms like Fever and Shortness and breath while Pfizer and Moderna are about 100 percent effective in this.

But the end result in reducing death and hospitalization all these 3 are 100 percent effective even against Variants. As far as heard Latest results show that out of about 40 million Americans who at least receive one dose of Moderna or Pfizer none have died from Covid. Meaning if we all go and get the vaccine once available there is a good chance this Covid thing will be signicantly reduced if not over.

And early data shows one dose can also reduce transmission to others. Data for the same on two doses should come in April, but Isreali who has already given two doses to a significant number of their population have reported significantly reduced viral loads in vaccinated people who received the vaccine and still got Covid, which should translate to a significant reduction in transmission.

So all in all very good results regarding these vaccines. Supply still limited but their appears to plans on the works starting Aril that should increase availability along with Johnson and a Johnson vaccine becoming available.


thanks for the explanation, lar

knock on wood, but i am already planning real estate purchase assuming a noticeable reduction in work from remote by mid summer...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:59 am    Post subject:

cal1piggy wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
Update on Johnson and Johnson’s single dose vaccine

https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-scientist-kizzy-johnson-and-johnson-covid-shot-darn-good-2021-1?amp

Basically results are pretty darn good. 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid.

72 percent effective in reducing symptoms from Covid in the USA. Bad news is about 55 percent effective in South Africa where a new variant of Covid makes up a majority of cases. In other words it may have a harder time against the new Covid variant from South Africa.

Since it’s single dose it could be definitely help with vaccine distribution and eve through it’s less effective than Moderna or Pfizer it still very effective in reducing severe Covid and deaths. They are expected to start emergency use authorization with FDA starting next week.


thanks lar

is the 85% in reducing severe symptoms the same parameter as the pfizer being 95%? or is it the 72% for apples to apples?


Actually the 85 percent isnt the same 95 percent for Moderna and Pfizer vaccine.

The Moderna and Pfizer are 95 percent effective in reducing the chance of having symptoms from Covid while Johnson and Johnson is 72 percent effective in this so not as good as Pfizer and Moderna.

But it is 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid which are symptoms like Fever and Shortness and breath while Pfizer and Moderna are about 100 percent effective in this.

But the end result in reducing death and hospitalization all these 3 are 100 percent effective even against Variants. As far as heard Latest results show that out of about 40 million Americans who at least receive one dose of Moderna or Pfizer none have died from Covid. Meaning if we all go and get the vaccine once available there is a good chance this Covid thing will be signicantly reduced if not over.

And early data shows one dose can also reduce transmission to others. Data for the same on two doses should come in April, but Isreali who has already given two doses to a significant number of their population have reported significantly reduced viral loads in vaccinated people who received the vaccine and still got Covid, which should translate to a significant reduction in transmission.

So all in all very good results regarding these vaccines. Supply still limited but their appears to plans on the works starting Aril that should increase availability along with Johnson and a Johnson vaccine becoming available.


thanks for the explanation, lar

knock on wood, but i am already planning real estate purchase assuming a noticeable reduction in work from remote by mid summer...


How interesting Cal1. I suppose a real estate purchase to get closer to work should you stop working remotely?

This is one of the things I wonder, although a little off the medical topic.

When this pandemic ends whenever that might be, how many people will go back to work in person vs remotely?

I mean I take the train to work because I live in Orange County but work in LA. It used to be full of people now hardly anyone, maybe 1 to 2 percent of the people still use the train. My guess is some aren’t working anymore, some drive now, but many are working remotely. I just didn’t know so many jobs can be done remotely.

Now people know this can be done, perhaps some may still remain remotely especially if there is no loss of efficacy. The IT department for example at my work I think they can work remotely. My wife works at a law office and her boss said he wound offer working in person or remotely even after the pandemic.

This can have major changes on traffic Uber And the use of public transportation among many things
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:15 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
Update on Johnson and Johnson’s single dose vaccine

https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-scientist-kizzy-johnson-and-johnson-covid-shot-darn-good-2021-1?amp

Basically results are pretty darn good. 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid.

72 percent effective in reducing symptoms from Covid in the USA. Bad news is about 55 percent effective in South Africa where a new variant of Covid makes up a majority of cases. In other words it may have a harder time against the new Covid variant from South Africa.

Since it’s single dose it could be definitely help with vaccine distribution and eve through it’s less effective than Moderna or Pfizer it still very effective in reducing severe Covid and deaths. They are expected to start emergency use authorization with FDA starting next week.


thanks lar

is the 85% in reducing severe symptoms the same parameter as the pfizer being 95%? or is it the 72% for apples to apples?


Actually the 85 percent isnt the same 95 percent for Moderna and Pfizer vaccine.

The Moderna and Pfizer are 95 percent effective in reducing the chance of having symptoms from Covid while Johnson and Johnson is 72 percent effective in this so not as good as Pfizer and Moderna.

But it is 85 percent effective in reducing severe Covid which are symptoms like Fever and Shortness and breath while Pfizer and Moderna are about 100 percent effective in this.

But the end result in reducing death and hospitalization all these 3 are 100 percent effective even against Variants. As far as heard Latest results show that out of about 40 million Americans who at least receive one dose of Moderna or Pfizer none have died from Covid. Meaning if we all go and get the vaccine once available there is a good chance this Covid thing will be signicantly reduced if not over.

And early data shows one dose can also reduce transmission to others. Data for the same on two doses should come in April, but Isreali who has already given two doses to a significant number of their population have reported significantly reduced viral loads in vaccinated people who received the vaccine and still got Covid, which should translate to a significant reduction in transmission.

So all in all very good results regarding these vaccines. Supply still limited but their appears to plans on the works starting Aril that should increase availability along with Johnson and a Johnson vaccine becoming available.


thanks for the explanation, lar

knock on wood, but i am already planning real estate purchase assuming a noticeable reduction in work from remote by mid summer...


How interesting Cal1. I suppose a real estate purchase to get closer to work should you stop working remotely?

This is one of the things I wonder, although a little off the medical topic.

When this pandemic ends whenever that might be, how many people will go back to work in person vs remotely?

I mean I take the train to work because I live in Orange County but work in LA. It used to be full of people now hardly anyone, maybe 1 to 2 percent of the people still use the train. My guess is some aren’t working anymore, some drive now, but many are working remotely. I just didn’t know so many jobs can be done remotely.

Now people know this can be done, perhaps some may still remain remotely especially if there is no loss of efficacy. The IT department for example at my work I think they can work remotely. My wife works at a law office and her boss said he wound offer working in person or remotely even after the pandemic.

This can have major changes on traffic Uber And the use of public transportation among many things


hey lar

actually i am looking to sell my house in sf area. prices where i am shot up due to people leaving the city. the remote-work trend may continue but retreat a bit. so i am selling it, and may get a condo in vegas. my startup is in los angeles but i can almost be anywhere

i have talked to a few real estate people and most think remote work is here to stay even after the covid crisis... though at a lower level than it is currently...
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Houses in NJ/PA/NY have been expensive! Almost all that I’ve seen are sold above asking
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:19 pm    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/jonlemire/status/1366863250323816448?s=21

If this is true, imo they will have full crowds for the playoffs. Maybe 50% or a bit more if they want to distance the crowd...
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