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troy Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:36 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
Harrell doesn't have to have an outside jumper. That's for small forwards. Harrell is similar to a James Worthy sort of power forward; quick with an elbow to the rim game. |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:59 am Post subject: |
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troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
Harrell doesn't have to have an outside jumper. That's for small forwards. Harrell is similar to a James Worthy sort of power forward; quick with an elbow to the rim game. |
The NBA has become very different comparing to the 80s. You can't really put two players without outside jumper on the court at the same time especially when you have LBJ. The offense is not going to work. |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:04 am Post subject: |
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leking006 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
AD and Gasol. |
As I said, Harrell can benefit a lot by playing alongside AD but the problem is AD doesn't want to play center. |
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troy Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:04 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
Harrell doesn't have to have an outside jumper. That's for small forwards. Harrell is similar to a James Worthy sort of power forward; quick with an elbow to the rim game. |
The NBA has become very different comparing to the 80s. You can't really put two players without outside jumper on the court at the same time especially when you have LBJ. The offense is not going to work. |
Well, they also suggested that having traditional centers is obsolete, but we had two back to the rim bigmen last season and we won a ring. In addition, Harrell has said he enjoys the Laker offense because he gets to face the basket from midrange and do work. He didn't have that with the Clippers. So when you say an "outside shot", you are ignoring that Harrell feels that he does have a mid-range game. |
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King Randle Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:14 am Post subject: |
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troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
Harrell doesn't have to have an outside jumper. That's for small forwards. Harrell is similar to a James Worthy sort of power forward; quick with an elbow to the rim game. |
The NBA has become very different comparing to the 80s. You can't really put two players without outside jumper on the court at the same time especially when you have LBJ. The offense is not going to work. |
Well, they also suggested that having traditional centers is obsolete, but we had two back to the rim bigmen last season and we won a ring. In addition, Harrell has said he enjoys the Laker offense because he gets to face the basket from midrange and do work. He didn't have that with the Clippers. So when you say an "outside shot", you are ignoring that Harrell feels that he does have a mid-range game. |
You're right...all this talk about having guys that can hit jumpers...enough...you can either play the game or you can't....Trez can hit a 12 foot but he can also drive past any opponent and tons of put backs....Vogel said nothing about spacing he said Trez couldn't guard Sarcic which is nonsense. Dwight is on the floor with Simmons numerous times and no one is talking about spacing...Maybe in the playoffs when you're matched up for a 7 game series but not in the regular season. |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:06 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | leking006 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
AD and Gasol. |
As I said, Harrell can benefit a lot by playing alongside AD but the problem is AD doesn't want to play center. |
He played center more than half of the time in playoffs. |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:10 am Post subject: |
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What's with this AD doesnt wanna play as center shinanigans?
AFAIK he played center most of the time in the playoffs and in the closing minutes of reg season. It's just not advisable to play him big minutes at C in the reg season, but when it is needed he is very willing. |
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BandwagonLBJhopper Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:30 am Post subject: |
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When we are struggling to score in the half court we need to just give this guy the ball and let him work. He gets buckets on pretty much everybody, big or small - he doesn't even need P&R.
Especially with AD out, Trezz should be scoring 20+ every night - no excuse to not work this guy into the offense more. It's not all about spacing, Trezz can put pressure on the rim and his energy picks up the team - let him go to work. |
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King Randle Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 am Post subject: |
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BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | When we are struggling to score in the half court we need to just give this guy the ball and let him work. He gets buckets on pretty much everybody, big or small - he doesn't even need P&R.
Especially with AD out, Trezz should be scoring 20+ every night - no excuse to not work this guy into the offense more. It's not all about spacing, Trezz can put pressure on the rim and his energy picks up the team - let him go to work. |
Bingo! |
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miggz23 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | When we are struggling to score in the half court we need to just give this guy the ball and let him work. He gets buckets on pretty much everybody, big or small - he doesn't even need P&R.
Especially with AD out, Trezz should be scoring 20+ every night - no excuse to not work this guy into the offense more. It's not all about spacing, Trezz can put pressure on the rim and his energy picks up the team - let him go to work. |
We’ll find out more tonight... Lets see how Vogel uses him without Bron/AD/Gasol... We’ll need his scoring tonight. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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If you subscribe to the athletic this was a really good article on what is going on with Montrezl usage.
Per Buha
Why are Montrezl Harrell minutes down since Anthony Davis’ injury?
Pre-AD re-injury: 24.8 minutes per game
Post-AD re-injury: 20.3 minutes per game
I looked at Frank Vogel’s reasoning — the stated and the unstated.
New for @TheAthleticNBA:
https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1367197924308869122?s=21 |
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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miggz23 wrote: | BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | When we are struggling to score in the half court we need to just give this guy the ball and let him work. He gets buckets on pretty much everybody, big or small - he doesn't even need P&R.
Especially with AD out, Trezz should be scoring 20+ every night - no excuse to not work this guy into the offense more. It's not all about spacing, Trezz can put pressure on the rim and his energy picks up the team - let him go to work. |
We’ll find out more tonight... Lets see how Vogel uses him without Bron/AD/Gasol... We’ll need his scoring tonight. |
Do we think that Vogel got smarter over night? We'll see. |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:00 am Post subject: |
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troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
Harrell doesn't have to have an outside jumper. That's for small forwards. Harrell is similar to a James Worthy sort of power forward; quick with an elbow to the rim game. |
The NBA has become very different comparing to the 80s. You can't really put two players without outside jumper on the court at the same time especially when you have LBJ. The offense is not going to work. |
Well, they also suggested that having traditional centers is obsolete, but we had two back to the rim bigmen last season and we won a ring. In addition, Harrell has said he enjoys the Laker offense because he gets to face the basket from midrange and do work. He didn't have that with the Clippers. So when you say an "outside shot", you are ignoring that Harrell feels that he does have a mid-range game. |
1. That’s a different topic. Oh and AD is no traditional center
2. Yea, Harrell is good at what he likes to do but that doesn’t fit with LBJ’s offense. I’m not saying they can’t play together though |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:05 am Post subject: |
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King Randle wrote: | troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | troy wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ. |
Harrell doesn't have to have an outside jumper. That's for small forwards. Harrell is similar to a James Worthy sort of power forward; quick with an elbow to the rim game. |
The NBA has become very different comparing to the 80s. You can't really put two players without outside jumper on the court at the same time especially when you have LBJ. The offense is not going to work. |
Well, they also suggested that having traditional centers is obsolete, but we had two back to the rim bigmen last season and we won a ring. In addition, Harrell has said he enjoys the Laker offense because he gets to face the basket from midrange and do work. He didn't have that with the Clippers. So when you say an "outside shot", you are ignoring that Harrell feels that he does have a mid-range game. |
You're right...all this talk about having guys that can hit jumpers...enough...you can either play the game or you can't....Trez can hit a 12 foot but he can also drive past any opponent and tons of put backs....Vogel said nothing about spacing he said Trez couldn't guard Sarcic which is nonsense. Dwight is on the floor with Simmons numerous times and no one is talking about spacing...Maybe in the playoffs when you're matched up for a 7 game series but not in the regular season. |
Using 76ers is the wrong example because firstly they haven’t won anything yet with that lineup. Secondly the context is very different when you compare having Simmons (initiator) and Howard (finisher), with Harrell (finisher) and another non shooting center (finisher) |
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:24 am Post subject: |
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BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | When we are struggling to score in the half court we need to just give this guy the ball and let him work. He gets buckets on pretty much everybody, big or small - he doesn't even need P&R.
Especially with AD out, Trezz should be scoring 20+ every night - no excuse to not work this guy into the offense more. It's not all about spacing, Trezz can put pressure on the rim and his energy picks up the team - let him go to work. |
We’ll need to give him the ball a lot considering it’s often a layup line with him at the 5. Love Trez effort but if we don’t make some changes he will continue to be exposed on that end. Just putting AD at the 5 isn’t the answer because AD abandoned his three point shot. When he returns he really needs to shoot 3 or more a game to stretch the floor |
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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getting called for a T after yelling and1 will do that. |
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Lakerz113 Star Player
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Halflife wrote: |
getting called for a T after yelling and1 will do that. |
Weird timing. Something personal maybe ? |
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German journalist said he is 1 of the players who can end up getting traded maybe he got the wind from the FO and is depressed |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | German journalist said he is 1 of the players who can end up getting traded maybe he got the wind from the FO and is depressed |
Klutch going to let them do their guy like that? |
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Probably got wind that Drummond's joining the Nets.
Last season - Clippers the favourites to win... bounced by Nugs
This season - Joined the defending champs... KD and superfriends |
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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He is shooting 9 shots a game while shooting 62% from the field. Feels like we are really underutilizing him. Especially in this stretch without AD when we are struggling to score. |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Continues to look good. |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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He's great in the offensive end, but cant do anything in the defensive end as a center other than ocassionally taking a charge and blocking shots. He should not be really playing as 5, but will definitely better at 4. |
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leking006 wrote: | He's great in the offensive end, but cant do anything in the defensive end as a center other than ocassionally taking a charge and blocking shots. He should not be really playing as 5, but will definitely better at 4. |
Besides AD, he can’t pair with any of our other big guys, but we just need to live with it until AD comes back |
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