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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | I am starting to favor Jared Butler if Tre Mann is gone.
See him as a Malik Beasley type scorer while providing ancillary PG skills and defensive potential. |
Beasley's much more of an athletic advantage off-ball scorer, though he can get going on OtD jumpers when he's feeling it.
This is total recency bias, but Butler reminds me of a bigger Cameron Payne. Having a guy who can come in off the bench and hit pull-up threes and keep defenses honest with the occasional drive to the cup would be nice to have, especially since Butler seems like he'll be better defensively.
I'm skeptical of him (and Mann) as a future NBA starter versus younger guys like Springer and Prkacin who could be there at #22, though. |
I understand your skepticism. I also have my concerns about both being future NBA starters. My expectations at pick 22 is to be solid rotational players with bonus if they evolve into starters.
I do have a different perception between pg/wings vs. pf/centers when it comes to starting and draft position. I see pg and wings needing to be better athletes and better skilled vs. pf and centers. For this reason I tend to believe starters for big men can be found later in the draft. By the last 3rd of the first round the good athletes have been selected or those available are lacking in skill. |
I think it's a sliding scale of skill/athleticism at all positions with positional size providing young players more leeway to succeed.
But yes, the level of skill small guards need to succeed is greater because there are more human beings sized 5'10-6'3 than there are human beings standing 6'10+. The level of skill Trae Young has to have to be a star as a skinny 6'1 average NBA athlete is insane. Most sub-6'5 guards still in college aged 21-23 are there because they don't have that insane skill level and typically benefit from experience/physical maturity against younger CBB players.
The league has also mostly caught up with the fungibility of non-offensive-hub big men so athletic-ish rim protectors have fallen in the Lakers current draft range in several drafts the past 7-8 years. Isaiah Jackson or Usman Garuba would be fine pickups at #22 over Jared Butler.
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| Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I still don't understand how Scottie Barnes is expected to score in the half-court. Unless a guy is a legit switchable rim protector I've come around to avoiding defensive specialists in the lottery. Barnes is a legit high-level passer, but how does he consistently leverage that skill if he's not a threat to score?
He has a decent handle and some wiggle for his size, but he lacks burst and there's not much reason to close out on him. The shooting likely takes years to come around if it ever does. Teams will gladly let him try to score in the post against most switches. His saving grace is that he has good touch around the rim, but is that negated somewhat against bigger, better NBA athletes? To top it off, he'll go minutes without looking at the basket.
Why would you spend precious draft capital on Barnes and willingly construct a team around his very stark strengths and weaknesses? You have to assume he's not merely a good defender, but a great, All-NBA caliber one - that seems like a low probability bet to me. Otherwise you're drafting a cool kid for locker room vibes and a few sweet short roll passes per game.
Just one of the most confusing draft prospect love fests in recent years. There's nothing wrong with taking the kid 16th. But taking him 6th is setting him up to fail. |
yea the scary thing for me was his supreme difficulty scoring in the halfcourt being on display in his team's first game, vs some fringe D1 team...he really struggled..I was off of him then. But he went on to have a solid season.. his halfcourt scoring is a real problem |
There's no way there's a 10-15 pick gap between Barnes and Garuba except based on American bias.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I still don't understand how Scottie Barnes is expected to score in the half-court. Unless a guy is a legit switchable rim protector I've come around to avoiding defensive specialists in the lottery. Barnes is a legit high-level passer, but how does he consistently leverage that skill if he's not a threat to score?
He has a decent handle and some wiggle for his size, but he lacks burst and there's not much reason to close out on him. The shooting likely takes years to come around if it ever does. Teams will gladly let him try to score in the post against most switches. His saving grace is that he has good touch around the rim, but is that negated somewhat against bigger, better NBA athletes? To top it off, he'll go minutes without looking at the basket.
Why would you spend precious draft capital on Barnes and willingly construct a team around his very stark strengths and weaknesses? You have to assume he's not merely a good defender, but a great, All-NBA caliber one - that seems like a low probability bet to me. Otherwise you're drafting a cool kid for locker room vibes and a few sweet short roll passes per game.
Just one of the most confusing draft prospect love fests in recent years. There's nothing wrong with taking the kid 16th. But taking him 6th is setting him up to fail. |
yea the scary thing for me was his supreme difficulty scoring in the halfcourt being on display in his team's first game, vs some fringe D1 team...he really struggled..I was off of him then. But he went on to have a solid season.. his halfcourt scoring is a real problem |
There's no way there's a 10-15 pick gap between Barnes and Garuba except based on American bias. |
Eh, playmaking bias.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I still don't understand how Scottie Barnes is expected to score in the half-court. Unless a guy is a legit switchable rim protector I've come around to avoiding defensive specialists in the lottery. Barnes is a legit high-level passer, but how does he consistently leverage that skill if he's not a threat to score?
He has a decent handle and some wiggle for his size, but he lacks burst and there's not much reason to close out on him. The shooting likely takes years to come around if it ever does. Teams will gladly let him try to score in the post against most switches. His saving grace is that he has good touch around the rim, but is that negated somewhat against bigger, better NBA athletes? To top it off, he'll go minutes without looking at the basket.
Why would you spend precious draft capital on Barnes and willingly construct a team around his very stark strengths and weaknesses? You have to assume he's not merely a good defender, but a great, All-NBA caliber one - that seems like a low probability bet to me. Otherwise you're drafting a cool kid for locker room vibes and a few sweet short roll passes per game.
Just one of the most confusing draft prospect love fests in recent years. There's nothing wrong with taking the kid 16th. But taking him 6th is setting him up to fail. |
yea the scary thing for me was his supreme difficulty scoring in the halfcourt being on display in his team's first game, vs some fringe D1 team...he really struggled..I was off of him then. But he went on to have a solid season.. his halfcourt scoring is a real problem |
There's no way there's a 10-15 pick gap between Barnes and Garuba except based on American bias. |
Eh, playmaking bias. |
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^I definitely agree with the American bias vs European bias existing, hence I like Sengun, Prkacin, Vrenz, Jokubaitis, and even Begarin ranked higher than most.
But Garuba is as much of an offensive threat as Gobert, and that's not a compliment.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | I am starting to favor Jared Butler if Tre Mann is gone.
See him as a Malik Beasley type scorer while providing ancillary PG skills and defensive potential. |
Beasley's much more of an athletic advantage off-ball scorer, though he can get going on OtD jumpers when he's feeling it.
This is total recency bias, but Butler reminds me of a bigger Cameron Payne. Having a guy who can come in off the bench and hit pull-up threes and keep defenses honest with the occasional drive to the cup would be nice to have, especially since Butler seems like he'll be better defensively.
I'm skeptical of him (and Mann) as a future NBA starter versus younger guys like Springer and Prkacin who could be there at #22, though. |
I just see that non advantage ball handling and shooting and think Jeff Teague floor.
I'm skeptical of Mann because of his inability to break pressure and he gets heated up on the dribble. I think McBride made it look embarrassing. |
That's the thing. He has these skills at a high level. Can working with trainers like Handy improve his ability to apply these skills (creating advantage with his ball handling)?
Btw Butler is only 20 years old. |
It tells me he's not reading a defender, and defaulting to a skill move.
The reading, is one of the hard parts. |
This is pretty enlightening for me. Helps explain a lot and definitely hard to just learn by working with skill trainers.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | I am starting to favor Jared Butler if Tre Mann is gone.
See him as a Malik Beasley type scorer while providing ancillary PG skills and defensive potential. |
Beasley's much more of an athletic advantage off-ball scorer, though he can get going on OtD jumpers when he's feeling it.
This is total recency bias, but Butler reminds me of a bigger Cameron Payne. Having a guy who can come in off the bench and hit pull-up threes and keep defenses honest with the occasional drive to the cup would be nice to have, especially since Butler seems like he'll be better defensively.
I'm skeptical of him (and Mann) as a future NBA starter versus younger guys like Springer and Prkacin who could be there at #22, though. |
I understand your skepticism. I also have my concerns about both being future NBA starters. My expectations at pick 22 is to be solid rotational players with bonus if they evolve into starters.
I do have a different perception between pg/wings vs. pf/centers when it comes to starting and draft position. I see pg and wings needing to be better athletes and better skilled vs. pf and centers. For this reason I tend to believe starters for big men can be found later in the draft. By the last 3rd of the first round the good athletes have been selected or those available are lacking in skill. |
I think it's a sliding scale of skill/athleticism at all positions with positional size providing young players more leeway to succeed.
But yes, the level of skill small guards need to succeed is greater because there are more human beings sized 5'10-6'3 than there are human beings standing 6'10+. The level of skill Trae Young has to have to be a star as a skinny 6'1 average NBA athlete is insane. Most sub-6'5 guards still in college aged 21-23 are there because they don't have that insane skill level and typically benefit from experience/physical maturity against younger CBB players.
The league has also mostly caught up with the fungibility of non-offensive-hub big men so athletic-ish rim protectors have fallen in the Lakers current draft range in several drafts the past 7-8 years. Isaiah Jackson or Usman Garuba would be fine pickups at #22 over Jared Butler. |
I'd take Garuba but can you convince me why Isaiah Jackson over Butler?
Really concerned over his light weight frame and it may take 2-3 years before he is able to physically match up to NBA big men. |
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | I am starting to favor Jared Butler if Tre Mann is gone.
See him as a Malik Beasley type scorer while providing ancillary PG skills and defensive potential. |
Beasley's much more of an athletic advantage off-ball scorer, though he can get going on OtD jumpers when he's feeling it.
This is total recency bias, but Butler reminds me of a bigger Cameron Payne. Having a guy who can come in off the bench and hit pull-up threes and keep defenses honest with the occasional drive to the cup would be nice to have, especially since Butler seems like he'll be better defensively.
I'm skeptical of him (and Mann) as a future NBA starter versus younger guys like Springer and Prkacin who could be there at #22, though. |
I just see that non advantage ball handling and shooting and think Jeff Teague floor.
I'm skeptical of Mann because of his inability to break pressure and he gets heated up on the dribble. I think McBride made it look embarrassing. |
That's the thing. He has these skills at a high level. Can working with trainers like Handy improve his ability to apply these skills (creating advantage with his ball handling)?
Btw Butler is only 20 years old. |
It tells me he's not reading a defender, and defaulting to a skill move.
The reading, is one of the hard parts. |
This is pretty enlightening for me. Helps explain a lot and definitely hard to just learn by working with skill trainers.
Thanks Mike. |
The reading part is something I've tried to learn the past few months. Hence, me liking the European players more and putting more value in "feel" players moreso than usual.
Tough to integrate tbh.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | I am starting to favor Jared Butler if Tre Mann is gone.
See him as a Malik Beasley type scorer while providing ancillary PG skills and defensive potential. |
Beasley's much more of an athletic advantage off-ball scorer, though he can get going on OtD jumpers when he's feeling it.
This is total recency bias, but Butler reminds me of a bigger Cameron Payne. Having a guy who can come in off the bench and hit pull-up threes and keep defenses honest with the occasional drive to the cup would be nice to have, especially since Butler seems like he'll be better defensively.
I'm skeptical of him (and Mann) as a future NBA starter versus younger guys like Springer and Prkacin who could be there at #22, though. |
I just see that non advantage ball handling and shooting and think Jeff Teague floor.
I'm skeptical of Mann because of his inability to break pressure and he gets heated up on the dribble. I think McBride made it look embarrassing. |
That's the thing. He has these skills at a high level. Can working with trainers like Handy improve his ability to apply these skills (creating advantage with his ball handling)?
Btw Butler is only 20 years old. |
It tells me he's not reading a defender, and defaulting to a skill move.
The reading, is one of the hard parts. |
This is pretty enlightening for me. Helps explain a lot and definitely hard to just learn by working with skill trainers.
Thanks Mike. |
The reading part is something I've tried to learn the past few months. Hence, me liking the European players more and putting more value in "feel" players moreso than usual.
Tough to integrate tbh. |
Should this also apply to reading team defense and deciding how to execute against it? |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I still don't understand how Scottie Barnes is expected to score in the half-court. Unless a guy is a legit switchable rim protector I've come around to avoiding defensive specialists in the lottery. Barnes is a legit high-level passer, but how does he consistently leverage that skill if he's not a threat to score?
He has a decent handle and some wiggle for his size, but he lacks burst and there's not much reason to close out on him. The shooting likely takes years to come around if it ever does. Teams will gladly let him try to score in the post against most switches. His saving grace is that he has good touch around the rim, but is that negated somewhat against bigger, better NBA athletes? To top it off, he'll go minutes without looking at the basket.
Why would you spend precious draft capital on Barnes and willingly construct a team around his very stark strengths and weaknesses? You have to assume he's not merely a good defender, but a great, All-NBA caliber one - that seems like a low probability bet to me. Otherwise you're drafting a cool kid for locker room vibes and a few sweet short roll passes per game.
Just one of the most confusing draft prospect love fests in recent years. There's nothing wrong with taking the kid 16th. But taking him 6th is setting him up to fail. |
yea the scary thing for me was his supreme difficulty scoring in the halfcourt being on display in his team's first game, vs some fringe D1 team...he really struggled..I was off of him then. But he went on to have a solid season.. his halfcourt scoring is a real problem |
There's no way there's a 10-15 pick gap between Barnes and Garuba except based on American bias. |
I agree. I have them 1 or 2 picks apart |
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I hope Cade ends up in OKC and Mobley ends up in Charlotte.
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| Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I still don't understand how Scottie Barnes is expected to score in the half-court. Unless a guy is a legit switchable rim protector I've come around to avoiding defensive specialists in the lottery. Barnes is a legit high-level passer, but how does he consistently leverage that skill if he's not a threat to score?
He has a decent handle and some wiggle for his size, but he lacks burst and there's not much reason to close out on him. The shooting likely takes years to come around if it ever does. Teams will gladly let him try to score in the post against most switches. His saving grace is that he has good touch around the rim, but is that negated somewhat against bigger, better NBA athletes? To top it off, he'll go minutes without looking at the basket.
Why would you spend precious draft capital on Barnes and willingly construct a team around his very stark strengths and weaknesses? You have to assume he's not merely a good defender, but a great, All-NBA caliber one - that seems like a low probability bet to me. Otherwise you're drafting a cool kid for locker room vibes and a few sweet short roll passes per game.
Just one of the most confusing draft prospect love fests in recent years. There's nothing wrong with taking the kid 16th. But taking him 6th is setting him up to fail. |
yea the scary thing for me was his supreme difficulty scoring in the halfcourt being on display in his team's first game, vs some fringe D1 team...he really struggled..I was off of him then. But he went on to have a solid season.. his halfcourt scoring is a real problem |
There's no way there's a 10-15 pick gap between Barnes and Garuba except based on American bias. |
I agree. I have them 1 or 2 picks apart |
I can't. Garuba reminds me too much of Gobert on offense and it's not like the 3pt shot draws gravity.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I still don't understand how Scottie Barnes is expected to score in the half-court. Unless a guy is a legit switchable rim protector I've come around to avoiding defensive specialists in the lottery. Barnes is a legit high-level passer, but how does he consistently leverage that skill if he's not a threat to score?
He has a decent handle and some wiggle for his size, but he lacks burst and there's not much reason to close out on him. The shooting likely takes years to come around if it ever does. Teams will gladly let him try to score in the post against most switches. His saving grace is that he has good touch around the rim, but is that negated somewhat against bigger, better NBA athletes? To top it off, he'll go minutes without looking at the basket.
Why would you spend precious draft capital on Barnes and willingly construct a team around his very stark strengths and weaknesses? You have to assume he's not merely a good defender, but a great, All-NBA caliber one - that seems like a low probability bet to me. Otherwise you're drafting a cool kid for locker room vibes and a few sweet short roll passes per game.
Just one of the most confusing draft prospect love fests in recent years. There's nothing wrong with taking the kid 16th. But taking him 6th is setting him up to fail. |
yea the scary thing for me was his supreme difficulty scoring in the halfcourt being on display in his team's first game, vs some fringe D1 team...he really struggled..I was off of him then. But he went on to have a solid season.. his halfcourt scoring is a real problem |
There's no way there's a 10-15 pick gap between Barnes and Garuba except based on American bias. |
I agree. I have them 1 or 2 picks apart |
I can't. Garuba reminds me too much of Gobert on offense and it's not like the 3pt shot draws gravity. |
That statement doesn't compute. If Garuba is shooting 3s at all, then he's not like Gobert on offense.
Also, if Garuba was as elite of a lob threat as Gobert, he'd be a top-8 pick on my board.
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| I guess I'm optimistic on Garuba's shooting. he even shoots his free throws super flat though, like his jumper. I'd prefer to have both of these guys more fringe-lotto but... it is what it is this year |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | ^I definitely agree with the American bias vs European bias existing, hence I like Sengun, Prkacin, Vrenz, Jokubaitis, and even Begarin ranked higher than most.
But Garuba is as much of an offensive threat as Gobert, and that's not a compliment. |
That’s my biggest issue with Garuba. Where does he fit at the next level. Zero offensive skills and undersized for a 4, much less 5 which is more in tune to his skill level. But the defense is undeniable. |
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| Mark10 45 wrote: | | I guess I'm optimistic on Garuba's shooting. he even shoots his free throws super flat though, like his jumper. I'd prefer to have both of these guys more fringe-lotto but... it is what it is this year |
Both guys are mid- to late-teens for me. I think both can carve out NBA rotation roles as defensive specialists - switchable third bigs who don't score very much.
I have some faith in limited shooting from Garuba - static threes from the corners and top of the key. I have almost no faith in Barnes shooting and his passing utility is fairly limited unless he shoots.
I guess if you buy into Barnes being a 6'8 PG, you'd have him top 10. Maybe he's the next Slow Mo. Whatever. NBA teams won't play up on a low volume 29% 3pt shooter like dumb college players at Valdosta State or wherever.
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Josh Giddey: "Great passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - maybe top 20"
Scottie Barnes: "Good passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - #6 with a bullet!"
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| Luminous8 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | ^I definitely agree with the American bias vs European bias existing, hence I like Sengun, Prkacin, Vrenz, Jokubaitis, and even Begarin ranked higher than most.
But Garuba is as much of an offensive threat as Gobert, and that's not a compliment. |
That’s my biggest issue with Garuba. Where does he fit at the next level. Zero offensive skills and undersized for a 4, much less 5 which is more in tune to his skill level. But the defense is undeniable. |
5s don't have a height requirement, just a skills one. I don't think Garuba has enough ancillary skills to compensate.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I still don't understand how Scottie Barnes is expected to score in the half-court. Unless a guy is a legit switchable rim protector I've come around to avoiding defensive specialists in the lottery. Barnes is a legit high-level passer, but how does he consistently leverage that skill if he's not a threat to score?
He has a decent handle and some wiggle for his size, but he lacks burst and there's not much reason to close out on him. The shooting likely takes years to come around if it ever does. Teams will gladly let him try to score in the post against most switches. His saving grace is that he has good touch around the rim, but is that negated somewhat against bigger, better NBA athletes? To top it off, he'll go minutes without looking at the basket.
Why would you spend precious draft capital on Barnes and willingly construct a team around his very stark strengths and weaknesses? You have to assume he's not merely a good defender, but a great, All-NBA caliber one - that seems like a low probability bet to me. Otherwise you're drafting a cool kid for locker room vibes and a few sweet short roll passes per game.
Just one of the most confusing draft prospect love fests in recent years. There's nothing wrong with taking the kid 16th. But taking him 6th is setting him up to fail. |
yea the scary thing for me was his supreme difficulty scoring in the halfcourt being on display in his team's first game, vs some fringe D1 team...he really struggled..I was off of him then. But he went on to have a solid season.. his halfcourt scoring is a real problem |
There's no way there's a 10-15 pick gap between Barnes and Garuba except based on American bias. |
I agree. I have them 1 or 2 picks apart |
I can't. Garuba reminds me too much of Gobert on offense and it's not like the 3pt shot draws gravity. |
That statement doesn't compute. If Garuba is shooting 3s at all, then he's not like Gobert on offense.
Also, if Garuba was as elite of a lob threat as Gobert, he'd be a top-8 pick on my board. |
Meaning, Garuba isn't the greatest lob threat. Gobert at least does that. Even international teams are willing to let him shoot 3s. He's not a knockdown guy, and his shot is still flat.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Josh Giddey: "Great passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - maybe top 20"
Scottie Barnes: "Good passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - #6 with a bullet!" |
This is why I have Giddey at 6 and Barnes lower.
Giddey can actually shoot.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | | I guess I'm optimistic on Garuba's shooting. he even shoots his free throws super flat though, like his jumper. I'd prefer to have both of these guys more fringe-lotto but... it is what it is this year |
Both guys are mid- to late-teens for me. I think both can carve out NBA rotation roles as defensive specialists - switchable third bigs who don't score very much.
I have some faith in limited shooting from Garuba - static threes from the corners and top of the key. I have almost no faith in Barnes shooting and his passing utility is fairly limited unless he shoots.
I guess if you buy into Barnes being a 6'8 PG, you'd have him top 10. Maybe he's the next Slow Mo. Whatever. NBA teams won't play up on a low volume 29% 3pt shooter like dumb college players at Valdosta State or wherever. |
If you put Barnes at 4 and have a spacing 5 (like Vucevic), you can invert PnRs as an option.
Unfortunately, people are really stuck on Barnes being a PG and don't realize he has the size to play other positions where the athletic limitations don't hurt so much.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Josh Giddey: "Great passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - maybe top 20"
Scottie Barnes: "Good passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - #6 with a bullet!" |
Defense? |
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| LakersMD wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Josh Giddey: "Great passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - maybe top 20"
Scottie Barnes: "Good passer, below average athlete, poor shooting profile - #6 with a bullet!" |
Defense? |
What about it? Trae Young is a game away from the ECF.
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