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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thugnomoe wrote: | jodeke wrote: | In_your_Eye wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Age is the bane of Chocolatito and GGG, both are 28.
I hope promoters will see what the advantage of showcasing them now would be for boxing.
There are few Foreman and Hopkin's |
Golovkin is 33. |
Right, my bad. |
no signs of slowing down though. |
Like a good wine, gets better with age. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Thugnomoe wrote: | jodeke wrote: | In_your_Eye wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Age is the bane of Chocolatito and GGG, both are 28.
I hope promoters will see what the advantage of showcasing them now would be for boxing.
There are few Foreman and Hopkin's |
Golovkin is 33. |
Right, my bad. |
no signs of slowing down though. |
I like GGG but that "mexican style" of boxing he subscribes to will slow him down sooner rather than later IMO... especially after he starts facing tougher competition. I'd give him 3 years tops before he starts to fall off... |
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Thugnomoe Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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its true.. he takes some big shots while giving out bigger ones. that'll take a toll.. though you can't tell yet. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thugnomoe wrote: | its true.. he takes some big shots while giving out bigger ones. that'll take a toll.. though you can't tell yet. |
If a puncher, Canelo, Cotto, hits him with the shots Monroe did I believe we'll see another side of GGG. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Thugnomoe Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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curtis stevens can actually throw some shots.. he hit him with everything he had.. and GGG didn't blink. |
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Thugnomoe wrote: | curtis stevens can actually throw some shots.. he hit him with everything he had.. and GGG didn't blink. |
Yeah, he walked Stevens down and dude hits like a mule kick. |
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Golovkin can go Mexican Style because I really don't see anyone who can really bang with him other than maybe Alzarez. |
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Froch's team is in negotiations with K2 promotions for farewell fight with GGG at Wembley:
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:04 am Post subject: |
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BadGuy wrote: | Froch's team is in negotiations with K2 promotions for farewell fight with GGG at Wembley:
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If Froch does that fight, I give him major props because he had said before that he's running far away from fighting GGG, cuz GGG punches like a mule! But, I wouldn't be surprised if they price himself out of making the fight happen. _________________ Just chill and watch the new Dynasty evolve...
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:03 am Post subject: |
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doughboy90650 wrote: | Golovkin can go Mexican Style because I really don't see anyone who can really bang with him other than maybe Alzarez. |
Yeah, he'll be fine for the short-term but you don't see too many pressure fighters last too deep into their 30s; even ATGs like Duran and Chavez fell off a bit in their early to mid 30s, though GGG is not nearly as battle-worn as those guys were at his age.
The Froch fight at Wembley is very intriguing as I think Froch's boxing skills are a bit underrated... but at the end of the day Froch has never had a great chin and I think that will do him in within the first 5 or 6 rounds of the fight. From what I recall, Jermain Taylor was a career middleweight who was able to knock down Froch early in only his 1st or 2nd fight at super middleweight (though he eventually ended up losing the fight).
Will be interesting to see if the $$$ get worked out for the fight; I do think Froch deserves the bulk of the purse for being the more established fighter and being the first P4P fighter willing to take on a beast like GGG.
As an FYI, Ring Magazine moved GGG up to #4 P4P a couple days ago (Chocolatito was moved up to #2). |
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:11 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: |
Will the fight be carried by either HBO or Showtime? |
Good question, jo. I think, it'll likely be a HBO broadcast. They broadcasted Kell's last fight, against Jo Jo Dan, and Frankie Gavin is a much better opponent. _________________ Just chill and watch the new Dynasty evolve...
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if Floyd vs Manny or Gennady vs Monroe was the catalyst but a major national channel is broadcasting a fight this weekend. 5/23 1:30pm
Channel 4 KNBC is airing Andre Dirrell vs James DeGale also Edwin Rodriguez vs Craig Baker _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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jodeke wrote: | I don't know if Floyd vs Manny or Gennady vs Monroe was the catalyst but a major national channel is broadcasting a fight this weekend. 5/23 1:30pm
Channel 4 KNBC is airing Andre Dirrell vs James DeGale also Edwin Rodriguez vs Craig Baker |
Had nothing to do with Mayweather or GGG. Those TV deals were signed early in the year to bring boxing back to free TV, a promoter finally saw how MMA was gaining popularity by having free MMA fights and decided boxing needed to bring those back. |
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Osei wrote: | doughboy90650 wrote: | Golovkin can go Mexican Style because I really don't see anyone who can really bang with him other than maybe Alzarez. |
Yeah, he'll be fine for the short-term but you don't see too many pressure fighters last too deep into their 30s; even ATGs like Duran and Chavez fell off a bit in their early to mid 30s, though GGG is not nearly as battle-worn as those guys were at his age.
The Froch fight at Wembley is very intriguing as I think Froch's boxing skills are a bit underrated... but at the end of the day Froch has never had a great chin and I think that will do him in within the first 5 or 6 rounds of the fight. From what I recall, Jermain Taylor was a career middleweight who was able to knock down Froch early in only his 1st or 2nd fight at super middleweight (though he eventually ended up losing the fight).
Will be interesting to see if the $$$ get worked out for the fight; I do think Froch deserves the bulk of the purse for being the more established fighter and being the first P4P fighter willing to take on a beast like GGG.
As an FYI, Ring Magazine moved GGG up to #4 P4P a couple days ago (Chocolatito was moved up to #2). |
Totally agree. And Froch should get the lion's share. That crowd would be straight crazy. The English love their soccer and boxing. You see the support Hatton has received over the years.
Here is the Ring Magazine pound-for-pound rankings:
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roman Gonzalez
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Guillermo Rigondeaux
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Carl Froch
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Terence Crawford
10. Shinsuke Yamanaka |
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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The one fight I want to see is Ward vs. GGG.
It's funny GGG camp always said "we'll fight anyone" and "Ward doesn't want to fight Golovkin".
But now the truth comes out. Golovkin doesn't want to move up to super middleweight and it "doesn't make fiscal sense" to fight Ward.
Haven't heard a flip flop like that since Romney ran in 2012 _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | The one fight I want to see is Ward vs. GGG.
It's funny GGG camp always said "we'll fight anyone" and "Ward doesn't want to fight Golovkin".
But now the truth comes out. Golovkin doesn't want to move up to super middleweight and it "doesn't make fiscal sense" to fight Ward.
Haven't heard a flip flop like that since Romney ran in 2012 |
Assuming Ward is on the same level he was prior to being inactive, that's one fight where I'd strongly favor Ward. Ward is the naturally bigger guy and is one of the best inside fighters I've ever seen... Ward would be the only guy within a reasonable weight range for GGG that I'd favor over GGG. |
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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lakersken80 wrote: | jodeke wrote: | I don't know if Floyd vs Manny or Gennady vs Monroe was the catalyst but a major national channel is broadcasting a fight this weekend. 5/23 1:30pm
Channel 4 KNBC is airing Andre Dirrell vs James DeGale also Edwin Rodriguez vs Craig Baker |
Had nothing to do with Mayweather or GGG. Those TV deals were signed early in the year to bring boxing back to free TV, a promoter finally saw how MMA was gaining popularity by having free MMA fights and decided boxing needed to bring those back. |
Well, technically, Al Haymon is not considered a promoter, which is why Top Rank and Golden Boy are looking to sue him. In any event, it was Al Haymon's doing that we get to see Premiere Boxing Championship fights on Free TV (NBC and CBS signed deals). _________________ Just chill and watch the new Dynasty evolve...
Time for the Lakers to create a whole new legacy! We want 10 more trophies boys! |
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 8:12 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | The one fight I want to see is Ward vs. GGG.
It's funny GGG camp always said "we'll fight anyone" and "Ward doesn't want to fight Golovkin".
But now the truth comes out. Golovkin doesn't want to move up to super middleweight and it "doesn't make fiscal sense" to fight Ward.
Haven't heard a flip flop like that since Romney ran in 2012 |
Lara, direll, a bunch of people have expressed interest in fighting him, he's not the bogey man everyone makes him out to be but he wants to wait for the money fights with smaller guys first. Good business sense but your going to catch (bleep) when you say anyone from 154 to 168 and then turn down all 168 pounders. |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:25 am Post subject: |
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It's gotta be right to fight certain 168ers. I think it was a huge mistake to say 154-168. But the latest is a bout with Carl Froch overseas. That's a reason to go up to 168. Imagine 65k at Wimbley. Big money and a good name on his resume even if Froch is on the down side. |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:48 am Post subject: |
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doughboy90650 wrote: | It's gotta be right to fight certain 168ers. I think it was a huge mistake to say 154-168. But the latest is a bout with Carl Froch overseas. That's a reason to go up to 168. Imagine 65k at Wimbley. Big money and a good name on his resume even if Froch is on the down side. |
Rewatched the Ward/Froch fight a week ago.
Wasn't even close.
For being an inside fighter, Ward has great defensive technique. Not used to seeing a supermiddle weight dodge punches like that. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Score the Andre Dirrell vs James DeGale and Edwin Rodriguez Vs Craig Baker fights. KNBC 4 1:30pm After each fight post your round by round scores here.
I'm curious as to how each of us sees the fight and how close we come to the judges and each others decisions. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:16 am Post subject: |
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doughboy90650 wrote: | Osei wrote: | doughboy90650 wrote: | Golovkin can go Mexican Style because I really don't see anyone who can really bang with him other than maybe Alzarez. |
Yeah, he'll be fine for the short-term but you don't see too many pressure fighters last too deep into their 30s; even ATGs like Duran and Chavez fell off a bit in their early to mid 30s, though GGG is not nearly as battle-worn as those guys were at his age.
The Froch fight at Wembley is very intriguing as I think Froch's boxing skills are a bit underrated... but at the end of the day Froch has never had a great chin and I think that will do him in within the first 5 or 6 rounds of the fight. From what I recall, Jermain Taylor was a career middleweight who was able to knock down Froch early in only his 1st or 2nd fight at super middleweight (though he eventually ended up losing the fight).
Will be interesting to see if the $$$ get worked out for the fight; I do think Froch deserves the bulk of the purse for being the more established fighter and being the first P4P fighter willing to take on a beast like GGG.
As an FYI, Ring Magazine moved GGG up to #4 P4P a couple days ago (Chocolatito was moved up to #2). |
Totally agree. And Froch should get the lion's share. That crowd would be straight crazy. The English love their soccer and boxing. You see the support Hatton has received over the years.
Here is the Ring Magazine pound-for-pound rankings:
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roman Gonzalez
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Guillermo Rigondeaux
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Carl Froch
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Terence Crawford
10. Shinsuke Yamanaka |
Kovalev with no respect. sad. he's a beast. |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thugnomoe wrote: | doughboy90650 wrote: | Osei wrote: | doughboy90650 wrote: | Golovkin can go Mexican Style because I really don't see anyone who can really bang with him other than maybe Alzarez. |
Yeah, he'll be fine for the short-term but you don't see too many pressure fighters last too deep into their 30s; even ATGs like Duran and Chavez fell off a bit in their early to mid 30s, though GGG is not nearly as battle-worn as those guys were at his age.
The Froch fight at Wembley is very intriguing as I think Froch's boxing skills are a bit underrated... but at the end of the day Froch has never had a great chin and I think that will do him in within the first 5 or 6 rounds of the fight. From what I recall, Jermain Taylor was a career middleweight who was able to knock down Froch early in only his 1st or 2nd fight at super middleweight (though he eventually ended up losing the fight).
Will be interesting to see if the $$$ get worked out for the fight; I do think Froch deserves the bulk of the purse for being the more established fighter and being the first P4P fighter willing to take on a beast like GGG.
As an FYI, Ring Magazine moved GGG up to #4 P4P a couple days ago (Chocolatito was moved up to #2). |
Totally agree. And Froch should get the lion's share. That crowd would be straight crazy. The English love their soccer and boxing. You see the support Hatton has received over the years.
Here is the Ring Magazine pound-for-pound rankings:
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roman Gonzalez
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Guillermo Rigondeaux
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Carl Froch
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Terence Crawford
10. Shinsuke Yamanaka |
Kovalev with no respect. sad. he's a beast. |
Not so much a lack of respect as there is not too strong of a reason to move the guys above him down yet. Other than Pacquiao everyone above him is either undefeated or hasn't lost in years. I guess you could rate him above Pacquiao and Froch but Pac and Froch's rankings reflect the fact that they are more established fighters who've fought extremely tough opposition over the course of their careers... |
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Laker_Dynasty wrote: | lakersken80 wrote: | jodeke wrote: | I don't know if Floyd vs Manny or Gennady vs Monroe was the catalyst but a major national channel is broadcasting a fight this weekend. 5/23 1:30pm
Channel 4 KNBC is airing Andre Dirrell vs James DeGale also Edwin Rodriguez vs Craig Baker |
Had nothing to do with Mayweather or GGG. Those TV deals were signed early in the year to bring boxing back to free TV, a promoter finally saw how MMA was gaining popularity by having free MMA fights and decided boxing needed to bring those back. |
Well, technically, Al Haymon is not considered a promoter, which is why Top Rank and Golden Boy are looking to sue him. In any event, it was Al Haymon's doing that we get to see Premiere Boxing Championship fights on Free TV (NBC and CBS signed deals). |
Now isn't that just being petty....instead of exposing people who don't really watch boxing and could be interested in fights other than the big PPV's, these guys want their cut. |
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