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| Rate Kupchak's Tenure as a GM |
| 1. "Do it Mitch" has been an elite GM. |
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| 2. More like "No harm. No foul". Middle of the pack. |
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| 3. Kupchak has been a Kupcake. Other GMs eat him for dessert. |
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pokoy
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| I'll say "elite" for now since he has built a couple of championship teams after having to tear down the Shaq-Kobe Lakers... |
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LakersMD
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| grimmz4764 wrote: | | iubyont wrote: | | A lot of questionable trades, contracts, and draft picks in the middle of the decade. All seem of his decisions seem to be getting better though, he is learning from his mistakes. I still think he has some work to do if he wants to take the title of best GM from Buford. The only mistake I think Buford made this entire decade was Richard Jefferson. That has to be some kind of feat. |
Buford hasn't been the best GM since Presti left the front office. How about trading Scola to a division rival? |
Buford also drafted Barbosa and traded him to the Suns while also passing on Josh Howard in the same draft, despite Pop and Duncan telling him to take Howard. He also drafted Ian Mahinmi two spots ahead of David Lee. He also drafted Goran Dragic and then traded him for Malik Hairston.
Every GM has good and bad moves. |
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Michlake
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Some horrible mistakes (Walton, Kwame), some unbelievable trades (Ariza, Gasol), overall he has improved greatly. Seems like he will be the GM until he no longer wants to. |
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Kobe Jocker
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Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays
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matrixskillz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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i used to call him kupcake, but what he's done the last 3 years has been nothing short of great.
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Michlake
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
I am not Kupchak's biggest fan, but he is much better than Sub-par. At worst he is above-average. Many half-truths in your statements. |
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kevin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
Like I wrote in an earlier post, I could be GM of the Lakers then. All the good stuff just happens by itself or because of someone else. While it takes a ton of effort to be sub par and make iffy moves.
Where do I sign up when Mitch retires? |
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Laker_Behemoth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
Sub-par post
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Whatthef?
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| subpar at best, he wasted AMO's expiring contract last year, Lakers could have had Hinrich for the playoffs and this year. He did nothing at the trade deadline or for that matter all last season to help the team. Butler and a No. 1 for Kwame has to be the worst trade in history next to the Shaq trade that almost killed the franchise. |
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MIMLaker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, somewhere between 1 and 2.
BAD
Trading Shaq for LO, the chronically-injured Grant, and Butler instead of Wade, especially when we were hurting at PG between an aging GP and... Chucky Atkins???
Luke Walton at a 6-year contract, even with MLE-level starter's numbers his contract year.
Not renewing Devean Geroge's contract in 2002, forcing us to burn the MLE to re-sign him when other talents were available (Laettner, Gilbert Arenas, Juwan Howard, etc.)
Vlad for MLE.
Rush in 2003 draft, due to poor fit with system and skill-set.
GOOD
P. Gasol for Kwame, M. Gasol, Critt, McKie and picks and cash.
Bynum pick in only year in lottery (I don't care who scouted him or who was high on him, it happened).
Re-signed Kobe in 2004.
Brian Cook for Mo Evans and Trevor Ariza.
Artest for MLE in 2009.
Blake for partial-MLE in 2010.
Turiaf in 2nd round.
Vlad for Ammo and Shannon Brown.
Re-signed Odom for less pay in 2009.
Re-signed Kobe in 2010.
Re-signed Fish for less pay (albeit more years) in 2010.
All in all, a mixed bag.
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Hector the Pup
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
So he did absolutely nothing then. Everything good was just luck and would have happened with a chimp doing his job.
Gotcha. |
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Kobe Jocker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| kevin wrote: | | Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
Like I wrote in an earlier post, I could be GM of the Lakers then. All the good stuff just happens by itself or because of someone else. While it takes a ton of effort to be sub par and make iffy moves.
Where do I sign up when Mitch retires? |
I'm just laying out the facts. people forget that Mitch let the first 3-peat die out, because he didn't replenish talent. Mitch was willing to waste Kobe's prime, and was even flirting with his own "Lebron plan", lol those were the days on LG.
Mitch isn't the reason we had any of our starting 5 last year, except Fish. He IS the reason we had a bad bench, which is still weak.
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Wags_16
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
And what are you doing for a living....I rest my case! |
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Kobe Jocker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
So he did absolutely nothing then. Everything good was just luck and would have happened with a chimp doing his job.
Gotcha. |
OK, tell me what Mitch has done?
Kobe resigned because of Jerry West calling him in 2004. Gasol happened because of Buss. Artest happened because of Kobe. Fish came because of his daughter, and is still the starter because Mitch hasn't found a replacement. Before Fish...we had Smush, and Atkins. Bynum was due to Jim Buss, Mitch was looking at other guy.
Bad contracts like Vlad, Luke, Sasha, are all Mitch though. Ariza & Brown were salary dumps that Phil got the most out of.
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LakerFan87
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| He's made good trades but has signed some terrible ass contracts. So I rank him as OK. |
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Kobe Jocker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Wags_16 wrote: | | Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
And what are you doing for a living....I rest my case! |
I run my own successful company, and live a nice life out here in Redondo Beach. How about you?
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kevin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | | I run my own successful company, and live a nice life out here in Redondo Beach. How about you? |
I knew you were Scott Boras. Just bored until baseball free agency starts. |
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Tris
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | | kevin wrote: | | Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
Like I wrote in an earlier post, I could be GM of the Lakers then. All the good stuff just happens by itself or because of someone else. While it takes a ton of effort to be sub par and make iffy moves.
Where do I sign up when Mitch retires? |
I'm just laying out the facts. people forget that Mitch let the first 3-peat die out, because he didn't replenish talent. Mitch was willing to waste Kobe's prime, and was even flirting with his own "Lebron plan", lol those were the days on LG.
Mitch isn't the reason we had any of our starting 5 last year, except Fish. He IS the reason we had a bad bench, which is still weak. |
The first 3-peat was going to die no matter what. You can't have new blood with 2 max players and no first round pick. You are being too critical. |
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Hector the Pup
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe Jocker wrote: | | Wags_16 wrote: | | Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
And what are you doing for a living....I rest my case! |
I run my own successful company, and live a nice life out here in Redondo Beach. How about you? |
Anyone would be successful with your company. You just happen to be lucky enough to be there.
Of course, a smart businessman would have chosen a better location. |
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lakerhi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Rodman28 wrote: | | kevin wrote: | | Rodman28 wrote: | Middle of the road.
There's a lot of room for improvement. |
So, based upon your "room for improvement" theory, what team has made moves where there isn't a lot of room? They're near perfect. As is. |
I'm finding it quite funn that my opinion bothers you SO MUCH, you had to start a thread. 
- I think he gives out too many lenghty contracts that continue to hurt us.
- He hasn't been much of a 1st round drafter.
I think the GM for the Spurs and Thunder are much better, in my opinion.
Again, you started a poll and asked a question- I answered them both. Do me a favor and don't come whining at me because you don't agree with what I have to say.
I think Fisher can help Blake out, but a 3 yr deal at his age is a little asaine. |
I totally agree but I think that they did the 3 year deal to satisfy fisher since he didn't get the amout of money he really wanted.
kupcake has been kupcake....as i previous stated below and other posters too...
Considering that we scouted Tayshaun. All of our scouts loved him. Mitch had his guy, who went earlier, and took the highest name on the board. I don't think scouts make it into the war room. Only people that know how to work a draft board.
Our scouts never, at any time, had Kareem Rush in the gym. Probably never saw any of his games. Kareem was shocked he was picked by the Lakers. He never worked out with us. The same with Brian Cook. Never was worked out. Just taken. Kind of like pulling a name out of a hat. That year, we had scouted Barbosa. Ron Harper personally worked him out. Ever since those screw ups, Mitch has listened to Ronnie Lester, who had scouted Andrew Bynum. Mitch wanted Sean May, Ronnie wanted Bynum. Ronnie got Jimmy to back the pick; and Mitch was overrode. Ever since then I think Lester is the one who is drafting the players. Compare then and the years before and I think you'll see a big difference.
Kupchak doesn't know how to draft. Remember he likes to draft players on the west coast. I remember the day of the Rush pick, from all reports on the board and newspaper, they were slated to pick Prince. But when Rush fell to them, Kupchak picked him. Kupchak stated he was the highest rated player on the board when they picked him. Though Phil thought they were picking Prince, since they worked him out and after the pick was made Phil said "who is this guy. don't know anything about him." Now talking about a ringing endorsement from your coach.
Also, the pick of Cook and Walton, Kupchak reason was they are the same type of players that they are letting go. Horry to Cook and Rick Fox to Walton. What type of reasoning is this. Don't you pick the best available player available?
And the Ron Harper really liked Barbosa after he worked him out.
Also have to add that Stu Lantz saw Montra Ellis play and begged the Lakers front office to take him. I mean if Stu can find a player what does this say about Kupchak.
And for everyone who thinks that kupcake was the one who made the Gasol trade, think again. Or should I put it this way, didn't you notice that after Jerry West contract was up with Memphis, the Lakers all of a sudden makes great trades? Gasol and if I'm not mistaken Ariza?
And didn't West who was interviewed before said he didn't want the spotlight and all the pressure that comes with it. He wanted to work behind the scenes where there's not much pressure. And who was the one who gave Kobe the MVP trophy? Jerry West. And this year when the Lakers got their Championship Trophy, kupcake didn't give a speech and was only in the background. Wouldn't you think the GM would at least be interviewed? And this offseason, if the rumors are true they had a deadline to accept the deal. This has Jerry West written all of this or at very least, Lester.
Not only the above but when there's a major decision isn't kupcake in europe or using his magic wand?
Like my friends and I keep saying Lester should be the GM instead of Kupchak.
I know it may be a lot to digest but I think there is no way kupcake is doing this if you look at his track record before West contract was up in Memphis.
Remeber this too, that Jerry West will always Love the Lakers. |
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Kobe Jocker
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | Kobe Jocker wrote: | | Wags_16 wrote: | | Kobe Jocker wrote: | Sub-par GM
GP + Malone happened because of LA's talent
Gasol happened because Kobe went off, and Buss got involved.
Artest happend because of Kobe.
Ariza & brown were salary dumps.
Mitch signed Geroge, Luke, Vlad, Sasha, and now Blake as his big FAs.
Didn't want Bynum, wanted Sean Mays |
And what are you doing for a living....I rest my case! |
I run my own successful company, and live a nice life out here in Redondo Beach. How about you? |
Anyone would be successful with your company. You just happen to be lucky enough to be there.
Of course, a smart businessman would have chosen a better location. |
I'm more of a Jerry Buss type. You can catch me at casinos playing poker, or with the ladies doing such and such.
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| Rodman28 wrote: | | Tris wrote: | | Mr. Zero wrote: | | 3 finals in 3 years, 2 championships. 1 solid move. PAU GASOL. |
I thought he was also the GM for 2 yr during the 3 peats era. |
No, he was still under West.
If I recall right, he started as GM in 2003-2004. |
Mitch became GM after West "retired" in 2000.
2000-01, 01-02 are Mitch's, too, even though it was West's team.
So in 10 seasons:
4 Rings (01, 02, 09, 10)
6 Finals (01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 10)
That is pretty good, considering the team had to rebuild in the middle.
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Hycosa
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Mitch is the greateat GM of all time. Nuff said. |
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Fallout
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Lets put it in perspective, how many GM's built a multi-champion team last 10 years? That puts him in elite category.
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Rek
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | Started out as mediocre but over the years has improved to elite level.
Can't complain about anything he has done in the last 3 years. |
This pretty well sums it up for me. |
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