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babyskyhook
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | How great can Heat and Lakers be?
By Chimpy McChimperson
Nonetheless, nobody was saying before the season that the Hawks or the Hornets might win 72 games. That's because they won't. And although L.A.'s goose egg in the loss column keeps it ahead of Miami in the standings at the moment, we've already seen what this outfit can do. Win the championship? Perhaps. Win 72? Not bloody likely.
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This is my favorite part.
He waves off the ability to win back-to-back championships as if it's some minor accomplishment- one that pales vs winning 72 games.
As usual, Chimpy gets so lost in his own numbers that he misses the bigger, more important picture. No one cares how many games the Lakers win as long as they win the title. I'd much rather have a third ring with a 62 win season than win 72 games. |
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The End Game
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | The End Game wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | The End Game wrote: | | So pretty much this was a Heat article, pretty much only mentioning the Lakers in the title to garner clicks. |
It probably started out as an article about both, but he's in love. This may be something ESPN has to start monitoring. They'll ask Chimpy to write an article about the Pacers and he'll end up writing 3,000 words on the Heat. |
I also love in the short amount of words he wrote about the Lakers, he managed a nice little dig about Kobe. His slurpfest with LeBron and the Heat has become gross. |
How was that a dig at Kobe?
He was criticizing Hollins for not using Allen on Kobe more. |
Saying the one time Allen was on Kobe, he put up a wild shot that barely grazed the rim is something that's completely irrelevant to the article. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | The End Game wrote: | | So pretty much this was a Heat article, pretty much only mentioning the Lakers in the title to garner clicks. |
Yep. That's always been his game plan: Incite the Laker fans (because they are the most numerous) and have ESPN management happily monitor the proverbial page hit counter.
He's little more than a professional troll. |
I think you hit the nail on the head. Great term- professional troll. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| scottpot29 wrote: | 
What a maroon... |
But what should we expect from Chimpy the clown ? He did pick, surprise, the Heat to win it all. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Once again, according to these same formulas, the 10th & 12th best teams in the league faced off in the Finals last year. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Basically they turd is saying the Lakers might win a championship but rules them out from being an all-time great team. Now on the other hand, the Heat can win a championship AND be the greatest team in the history of mankind. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| activeverb wrote: | So, in sum, his take seems to be: "Both the Lakers and the Heat will likely win in the mid-60s or so. The Lakers are more of a known quantity, and their roster tweaks aren't enough to jump from 57 wins last year to 72 this year. The Heat are unlikely to get 72 eithet, but we don't have a history to judge them against."
I can't argue with that, though it's staggering to me that at the start of the season people are talking about what a great defensive team the Heat are becoming. |
i'd like to know why having:
pau/bynum at center
pau/lamar at pf
artest/barnes at sf
kobe/drastically improved shannon at sg
fisher (fresher)/blake at pg
a minimal high quality 10 man rotation, cant be clearly seen as enough to go from 57 to 72? put me in the "dumb" category because i think they very possibly could get there if healthy. i dont think his point is reasonable at all. if you want to hold the injury factor over the lakers head, do it to miami too since wade and bosh have missed some time in the past. he'll take into account every upgrade miami made, but speak of l.a. like a team he's seen already. he's seen phil's system but not how many quality guys are participating in smoothly running it. he hasn't noticed that the bench is highly productive as opposed to last year, or some other sporadic moments from the past?
without acknowledging how others on this team are operating with kobe not yet playing his best (lack of defense until game 4), his assumptions are biased and clearly not reasonable.
he said the lakers are good but not going to get better and then will hit the road. conveniently he forgot to mention the positive affect of bynum returning.
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| The End Game wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | The End Game wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | The End Game wrote: | | So pretty much this was a Heat article, pretty much only mentioning the Lakers in the title to garner clicks. |
It probably started out as an article about both, but he's in love. This may be something ESPN has to start monitoring. They'll ask Chimpy to write an article about the Pacers and he'll end up writing 3,000 words on the Heat. |
I also love in the short amount of words he wrote about the Lakers, he managed a nice little dig about Kobe. His slurpfest with LeBron and the Heat has become gross. |
How was that a dig at Kobe?
He was criticizing Hollins for not using Allen on Kobe more. |
Saying the one time Allen was on Kobe, he put up a wild shot that barely grazed the rim is something that's completely irrelevant to the article. |
Mentioning that Kobe had 23 points on 9 shots in the first half was irrelevant as well, but that doesn't make it a dig.
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Gandalf wrote: | | Basically they turd is saying the Lakers might win a championship but rules them out from being an all-time great team. Now on the other hand, the Heat can win a championship AND be the greatest team in the history of mankind. |
they would be mankinds greatest gift, thus justifying hopping around on stage last july like some 'wanna be' rap artists. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Once again, according to these same formulas, the 10th & 12th best teams in the league faced off in the Finals last year. |
Yeah-
what happened to the Utah, errrr, Phoenix-Orlando series again ? |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Once again, according to these same formulas, the 10th & 12th best teams in the league faced off in the Finals last year. |
What are you talking about? According to Hollinger's numbers the LeBronland LeBrons won the championship last year. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Once again, according to these same formulas, the 10th & 12th best teams in the league faced off in the Finals last year. |
Yeah-
what happened to the Utah, errrr, Phoenix-Orlando series again ? |
It was Phoenix vs. Cleveland. You know damn well that Chimpy wouldn't pick against LeBron.
One of the funniest sports-related things I've ever read was his article after Orlando beat them in Game 1 of the ECFs in '09. His grand revelation in that piece was the significance of matchups. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: |
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according to his stats (off season grades) the lakers had one of the less impressive off seasons because they failed to keep up with the heat. doesnt matter that they made themselves strong at every position, that they had internal improvement, that they drafted a player or 2 who will contribute during the year.
the lakers have 2 rotation players injured, one starter, and yet their team is judged as if it's complete. but the heat will be great when mike miller returns. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | | Hollinger is an idiot. It is statistically-proven. |
It's kind of impressive that he's still writing columns on a regular basis considering most of his energy is spent whacking off to the Miami Heat. |
That giant Lebronze poster hanging above his bed might have something to do with it. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Once again, according to these same formulas, the 10th & 12th best teams in the league faced off in the Finals last year. |
Yeah-
what happened to the Utah, errrr, Phoenix-Orlando series again ? |
It was Phoenix vs. Cleveland. You know damn well that Chimpy wouldn't pick against LeBron.
One of the funniest sports-related things I've ever read was his article after Orlando beat them in Game 1 of the ECFs in '09. His grand revelation in that piece was the significance of matchups. |
That's right. It was Utah-Cleveland. Errrr, then PHX-Orlando.
Well, at least he finally got something right when he picked LA over Boston.
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | | Hollinger is an idiot. It is statistically-proven. |
It's kind of impressive that he's still writing columns on a regular basis considering most of his energy is spent whacking off to the Miami Heat. |
That giant Lebronze poster hanging above his bed might have something to do with it. |
But what's the SER? Stroke Efficiency Rating.
If the Heat - or Lakers - get to 41-3, then I think you can start talking about 70 wins. Again, think of all the great, all-time teams in the history of the NBA. Those Celtics teams of the 60s, the 72 Lakers, the 83 Sixers, the Showtime Lakers, the Celtics of the 1980s, the Bulls teams. One team - one! - has won 70. It's five games in for god's sake. And they've beaten the Wolves, Nets and Sixers as three of them! Aaagh. |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | How great can Heat and Lakers be?
By Chimpy McChimperson
Nonetheless, nobody was saying before the season that the Hawks or the Hornets might win 72 games. That's because they won't. And although L.A.'s goose egg in the loss column keeps it ahead of Miami in the standings at the moment, we've already seen what this outfit can do. Win the championship? Perhaps. Win 72? Not bloody likely.
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This is my favorite part.
He waves off the ability to win back-to-back championships as if it's some minor accomplishment- one that pales vs winning 72 games.
As usual, Chimpy gets so lost in his own numbers that he misses the bigger, more important picture. No one cares how many games the Lakers win as long as they win the title. I'd much rather have a third ring with a 62 win season than win 72 games. |
You noticed that too?
That is really freakin' bizzar to say the least.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Once again, according to these same formulas, the 10th & 12th best teams in the league faced off in the Finals last year. |
Yeah-
what happened to the Utah, errrr, Phoenix-Orlando series again ? |
It was Phoenix vs. Cleveland. You know damn well that Chimpy wouldn't pick against LeBron.
One of the funniest sports-related things I've ever read was his article after Orlando beat them in Game 1 of the ECFs in '09. His grand revelation in that piece was the significance of matchups. |
That's right. It was Utah-Cleveland. Errrr, then PHX-Orlando.
Well, at least he finally got something right when he picked LA over Boston.
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. |
LOL, that's right. Forgot about the Jazz.
They've beaten us, what...3 years in a row in the playoffs in the world of Hollinger? |
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Hollinger's like Lamar critics...they've stuck to the myths for so long they can't change without eating major crow.
So instead they cling on with their dying breath.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone needs to do statistics on how often Hollinger is wrong. |
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| lakersboy wrote: | | Gandalf wrote: | | Basically they turd is saying the Lakers might win a championship but rules them out from being an all-time great team. Now on the other hand, the Heat can win a championship AND be the greatest team in the history of mankind. |
they would be mankinds greatest gift, thus justifying hopping around on stage last july like some 'wanna be' rap artists. |
And the thing is, if the Lakers win the chip, they automatically become one of the all-time great team becase they would be a 3-Peat dynasty. That would break the commodore machine where Chimpy churns out his stats. |
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lakersboy
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| ^or like anyone who immensely dislikes the lakers, so you root for and praise any/every change another team did that could prove significant. |
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It seems like he's assuming he's seen the best the Lakers can do defensively.
Clearly the Lakers aren't interested enough in these early opponents to put for the effort to hold them to 80 points. They're like a cat with a ball of yarn.
Wait until they play a real contender a few times and we'll see them tighten the screws.
The Lakers went back to back series last year in the playoffs beating teams at their own games. They beat Phoenix by outscoring them, and Boston by outdefending them.
Make no mistake, this team is very versatile. Just because they don't have anything to prove anymore against the Golden State Warriors doesn't mean they don't have it in them.
Let Miami wear themselves out all season trying to go for 72. All I care is the whole team is healthy and prepared for the playoffs. |
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| Gandalf wrote: | | lakersboy wrote: | | Gandalf wrote: | | Basically they turd is saying the Lakers might win a championship but rules them out from being an all-time great team. Now on the other hand, the Heat can win a championship AND be the greatest team in the history of mankind. |
they would be mankinds greatest gift, thus justifying hopping around on stage last july like some 'wanna be' rap artists. |
And the thing is, if the Lakers win the chip, they automatically become one of the all-time great team becase they would be a 3-Peat dynasty. That would break the commodore machine where Chimpy churns out his stats. |
the celtics, bulls, and lakers are the only teams to have at least 3 peated. the celtics did it with little competition (8 teams & no free agency). the bulls did it twice, the lakers can possibly tie that and possibly surpass their total. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| jwbrown77 wrote: | It seems like he's assuming he's seen the best the Lakers can do defensively.
Clearly the Lakers aren't interested enough in these early opponents to put for the effort to hold them to 80 points. They're like a cat with a ball of yarn.
Wait until they play a real contender a few times and we'll see them tighten the screws.
The Lakers went back to back series last year in the playoffs beating teams at their own games. They beat Phoenix by outscoring them, and Boston by outdefending them.
Make no mistake, this team is very versatile. Just because they don't have anything to prove anymore against the Golden State Warriors doesn't mean they don't have it in them.
Let Miami wear themselves out all season trying to go for 72. All I care is the whole team is healthy and prepared for the playoffs. |
the lakers defense has been less than 100% because kobe hasnt been close to his best defensively. last night against mayo was the 1st time he's kept up with his defender somewhat, but mayo is mostly a standstill shooter and doesnt penetrate much. when kobe can keep up with guys who drive, the lakers team will be better off. |
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