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DeeAgeaux Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:27 am Post subject: |
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CBaller8 wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | CBaller8 wrote: | Okay so Jon Snow isn't Ned Stark's bastard. He lied to protect Jon. Protect him from who? Someone fill me in please. |
Protect him from Robert Baratheon, who would be royally pissed off if he found out Jon was Lyanna's son from another man. |
Yup, it's not like Robert was leaving any targareans alive. That's why Dany and her brother were across the sea. |
Why would he be mad about his daughter having a son? |
Lyanna Stark was Robert Baratheon's fiance not his daughter. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:29 am Post subject: |
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DeeAgeaux wrote: | CBaller8 wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | CBaller8 wrote: | Okay so Jon Snow isn't Ned Stark's bastard. He lied to protect Jon. Protect him from who? Someone fill me in please. |
Protect him from Robert Baratheon, who would be royally pissed off if he found out Jon was Lyanna's son from another man. |
Yup, it's not like Robert was leaving any targareans alive. That's why Dany and her brother were across the sea. |
Why would he be mad about his daughter having a son? |
Lyanna Stark was Robert Baratheon's fiance not his daughter. |
Yup, and like Dany, Jon would be a rival for the throne. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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DeeAgeaux Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Did not look like Little Finger was too pleased to see Jon become King in the North by acclamation.
Sansa saw this. Will she tell Jon that Little Finger needs to be wacked? |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | DeeAgeaux wrote: | CBaller8 wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | CBaller8 wrote: | Okay so Jon Snow isn't Ned Stark's bastard. He lied to protect Jon. Protect him from who? Someone fill me in please. |
Protect him from Robert Baratheon, who would be royally pissed off if he found out Jon was Lyanna's son from another man. |
Yup, it's not like Robert was leaving any targareans alive. That's why Dany and her brother were across the sea. |
Why would he be mad about his daughter having a son? |
Lyanna Stark was Robert Baratheon's fiance not his daughter. |
Yup, and like Dany, Jon would be a rival for the throne. |
Oh okay, but just because Lyanna cheated on Robert Baratheon, I don't see how that makes Jon a rival. Especially if Lyanna wasn't married to Robert. |
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aachan Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:01 am Post subject: |
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CBaller8 wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | DeeAgeaux wrote: | CBaller8 wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | CBaller8 wrote: | Okay so Jon Snow isn't Ned Stark's bastard. He lied to protect Jon. Protect him from who? Someone fill me in please. |
Protect him from Robert Baratheon, who would be royally pissed off if he found out Jon was Lyanna's son from another man. |
Yup, it's not like Robert was leaving any targareans alive. That's why Dany and her brother were across the sea. |
Why would he be mad about his daughter having a son? |
Lyanna Stark was Robert Baratheon's fiance not his daughter. |
Yup, and like Dany, Jon would be a rival for the throne. |
Oh okay, but just because Lyanna cheated on Robert Baratheon, I don't see how that makes Jon a rival. Especially if Lyanna wasn't married to Robert. |
Jon is the son of Lyanna Stark and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, with Robert and Tywin killing all the Targaryen's during the rebellion, Jon along with Danerys and her brother Viserys all have a legitimate claim to the throne. Not only would Robert be furious that Lyanna had a son that wasn't his, he'd be blind with rage knowing it was Rhaegar's.
Also, maybe a fellow book reader can correct me, but I don't ever remember Lyanna and Robert's relationship to be an intimate one. If memory serves me right, it was a political marriage, her father set it up and she had never met Robert until they were engaged. It was Robert who was entirely smitten with Lyanna, whilst Rhaegar was busy winning her heart in a tournament. |
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DeeAgeaux Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:20 am Post subject: |
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BTW Was it implied that the Mountain was going to rape the Septa indefinitely?
Or just "regular" torture? |
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DeeAgeaux Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:25 am Post subject: |
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aachan wrote: | If memory serves me right, it was a political marriage, her father set it up and she had never met Robert until they were engaged. It was Robert who was entirely smitten with Lyanna, whilst Rhaegar was busy winning her heart in a tournament. |
If memory serves it was not a marriage at all just an engagement.
Robert respected Ned and the Starks too much to pick Lyanna's cherry before their wedding night.
Robert never had a deficit of barmaids in the meantime. |
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dood23 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:37 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | Man what a great episode.
That match cut from infant Jon to adult Jon, with the House Stark theme triumphantly soaring in the background is one of my favorite moments from the show ever. |
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The way the music built up along the baby's eyes opening up, then cutting to Jon
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Huey Lewis & The News Star Player
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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:00 am Post subject: |
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DeeAgeaux wrote: | BTW Was it implied that the Mountain was going to assault the Septa indefinitely?
Or just "regular" torture? |
Sounds like "regular" since Cersei specifically said she's not dying "today" _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:01 am Post subject: |
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dood23 wrote: | tox wrote: | Man what a great episode.
That match cut from infant Jon to adult Jon, with the House Stark theme triumphantly soaring in the background is one of my favorite moments from the show ever. |
jfdklsjfsdkljfaoi
The way the music built up along the baby's eyes opening up, then cutting to Jon
Jdfiosajdoisajf
IS IT OK TO CRY |
Poor casting, I was expecting the baby to have a mane of dark black hair _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:58 am Post subject: |
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So is it over? Are we completely ahead of the books? We don't have to live in fear anymore of being spoiled by the book readers? _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts! |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:03 am Post subject: |
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wait, Jon Snow is Khaleesi's brother? da fuq?
Isn't the dude following Brienne Robert Baratheon's son?
So Jon Snow, Brienne's pupil and now Jamie/Tyrion are the next in line for the throne by birth? I'm lost |
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Gatekeeper Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:17 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | wait, Jon Snow is Khaleesi's brother? da fuq?
Isn't the dude following Brienne Robert Baratheon's son?
So Jon Snow, Brienne's pupil and now Jamie/Tyrion are the next in line for the throne by birth? I'm lost |
Nephew.
No, that's Gendry. He's on hiatus.
By Targaryen lineage, Daenerys and Jon would be first in line, then Gendry via Robert. _________________ Character
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:06 am Post subject: |
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USCandLakers wrote: | So is it over? Are we completely ahead of the books? We don't have to live in fear anymore of being spoiled by the book readers? |
We were ahead late last season. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Gatekeeper wrote: | governator wrote: | wait, Jon Snow is Khaleesi's brother? da fuq?
Isn't the dude following Brienne Robert Baratheon's son?
So Jon Snow, Brienne's pupil and now Jamie/Tyrion are the next in line for the throne by birth? I'm lost |
Nephew.
No, that's Gendry. He's on hiatus.
By Targaryen lineage, Daenerys and Jon would be first in line, then Gendry via Robert. |
It's technically be Jon and then Dany, as sons of firstborn sons are before second sons and daughters. |
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Fan0Bynum17 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:10 am Post subject: |
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As far as we know, Jon is still a bastard, but rather, Rhaegar's bastard. Dany is Aerys' true born daughter, but a girl, so it's ambiguous who would be heir. If Jon was Rhaegar's true born heir, he would unambiguously be the rightful heir, based on a Targaryen reign. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Should be interesting how Cercei deals with the combined forces of Danerys, Martel, Tyrell, Unsullied, Dothraki, Greyjoy. Freys and Boltons are dead, and House Stark would prefer the Lannister downfall. Maybe their influence on Bravos would recruit some mercs, but the other side has dragons...
Would be awesome if Jon Snow was able to somehow tame Dany's dragons and push back the walkers, then Danys and Jon rule the 7 kingdoms. |
I wonder if, when Cersei realizes she's going to lose King's Landing to Daenerys' army, she tries to use the wildfire burn down the rest of city and Jaimie has to kill her like he did the Mad King. She was crying her eyes out when Joffrey died, was sad when Myrcella died, but she was almost emotionless after Tommen died. I wonder if she's lost it after losing all her children. Tyrion once noted her love for them was the only good thing about her.
Knowing the history of how Aegon and his sisters rode their dragons to conquer Westeros, I'm wondering if anyone is going to ride Daenerys' other two dragons. I'm assuming Bran will be one of them because he's a Warg and the Three Eyed Raven told him he would never walk again but one day he would fly. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Is Jon Snow the half brother of Dani? Or are they cousins? _________________ |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:54 am Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: | So is it over? Are we completely ahead of the books? We don't have to live in fear anymore of being spoiled by the book readers? |
We were ahead late last season. |
They collapsed so many storylines this season and the remaining ones should move along at a good pace now instead of making us wait 2-3 weeks.
We should be completely done with Essos unless Jorah Mormont is still hanging around there. Other than to learn his fate, his character has run his course IMO.
I can see now the showrunners might be able to bring the series to conclusion in 13 episodes now. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | Is Jon Snow the half brother of Dani? Or are they cousins? |
See above. Rhaegar was Daenerys' older brother so Jon is her nephew. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Jon's father Rhaegar Targaryen is Dany's big brother. Tbh since Kings guard stayed with Lyanna and his baby instead of Viserys and Dany's mother that makes Jon the rightful King of Westros.
Btw i didn't like Dany being so much powerfull. She Basicly got
Best land force with Unsullieds, Dothraks and Martells
Best fleet with Greyjoys
Best air force with 3 dragons
Richest House with Tyrells
Also has guys like Tyrion and Varys who knows Kings Landing very well.
Lannisters has no luck. This is why i am thankful that Grrm included Aegon at books. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Aerys "The Mad King" Targaryen had 3 children - Rhaegar, Viserys, and Daenerys.
Rhaegar is Jon Snow's actual father (with Lyanna Stark). Rhaegar first crowned Lyanna Stark the "queen of love and beauty" after wining a jousting tournament (like Loras did with Sansa in Season 1), and soon after "abducted" Lyanna, who was betrothed to Robert Baratheon at the time. This is what started "Robert's Rebellion", the war in which Robert came to be king. During the war, Rhaegar was killed by Robert, and the Mountain (at Tywin's command) killed his children and raped & murdered Rhaegar's wife Elia Martell (Oberyn "The Viper" Martell's sister). This murder of their children is what drove Ned to protect Jon from Robert (and later council Robert from attempting to assassinate Daenerys).
Since Daenery's is his father's sister, this makes Jon Daenery's nephew (and her his aunt). However, the Targaryens have a long history of marrying family members (frequently siblings). |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Wow that was the greatest episode of GoT ever. Crazy turn of events. Cersei finally reaching the Iron Throne. R + L= J confirmed finally. Dany is finally ready to take on Kings Landing. Only thing missing was the Nights King. |
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