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| dhemmati wrote: | 2 out of the 4 games we shot more free throws than they did. Also, these 2 games that you showed are during our post-all star game stretch when we looked like champions.
These playoffs were different. Pau was a disaster. Kobe was injured. Dallas was simply the better team. |
how many more fts did we have? in those games? was it reflective of a paint team vs a shooter team.
as in the regular season stats shown in my first two posts?
thats my point. i dont want 5 more fts' then a shooter team. i dont want 8 more. i want 15+. cause thats how far apart these two teams should be in ft attempts looking at how we play the game vs how they play it. if its any less then that. SOMETHING is wrong.
the game we went nuts in the paint the mavs had more Fts then we did. HOW on earth is that possible?
*but thanks for replying with your own statistical analysis.
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| how about actually giving credit to Dallas? They were clearly the better team and deserved to win that series 100%! They played as a team, hustled on both ends and played with their hearts on their sleaves.... The Lakers didn't and are at home watching the playoffs like all of us. Dallas was better! PERIOD! |
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | There might be some truth to this I said some BUT Stern is losing $$$ with teams like the Lakers being bounced etc. |
Not true. America likes to see the Lakers lose.
We'll see what happens to the ratings now that the Lakers are out but they always INCREASE when the we lose. Stern isn't losing any money. |
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| KobeDunk wrote: | | how about actually giving credit to Dallas? They were clearly the better team and deserved to win that series 100%! They played as a team, hustled on both ends and played with their hearts on their sleaves.... The Lakers didn't and are at home watching the playoffs like all of us. Dallas was better! PERIOD! |
this is not a thread about Dallas per se. so pleas save the "they were hte better team" talk for another one of these threads.
REPLY to me about what i asked and showed you guys based on those facts.
would you considered pacman a better boxer then shane mosely, if it came out that pacman was using roids before the fight and had an illegal hand wrap? since ... mosely did get beat per the ending score cards.
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| postandpivot wrote: | | doughboy90650 wrote: | | Quote: | | But if you're a team that's coming apart at the seams...and you realize in Game 1 that you're absolutely not going to be getting any calls during the series and Dallas is going to be allowed to do whatever they want...it makes it a lot easier to roll over... |
the official practically pushed the Lakers lead to 9 in Game one and they were up 16 ....... blowing that lead had nothing to do with them not playing hard because they were being jobbed. dallas made a run, Lakers played stupid and Phil didn't call a time out ....... lol @ refs |
every decent to good team makes a run. are the mavs a sucker team? NO. they are a good team. lets be realistic. good teams make runs on great teams or good teams. it happens. its just like how everytime the lakers lose or have lossed in the past. people act like the lakers suck. but when boston in 2008 went to the wire with every single east coast team knowing that the lower seeds of east were much weaker then the western lower seeds. but no one complained about boston going to the wire every single series.
but let us lose one. and "the lakers played like idiots, they deserved to lose" why is it everytime we dont play perfect hoop WE DESERVE TO LOSE? everytime we dont play with perfect energy we got what we deserve?
let boston do it. and well they tried. they were just champs with 3 famers and 1 pending in rondo. they should never lose either RIGHT?
this goes to show the bias of some laker fans towards their own team that isnt realistic. this is basketball. where great and good teams colllide and make runs on each other. the great teams when anyway, because they have guys who make shots. and draw fouls when need be. not guys who take shots and draw fouls just cause they are getting calls at the moment. did the mavs make their final few buckets on Ft's or not? yes they did. that says ref love.
did kobe get fouled or not? yes he did. but they didnt call it. that says ref love not for the lakers but for dallas.
you either dont give dallas the fts. and dont give them to the lakers. OR you give both teams the fouls late. but you can go half in one one team. thats BIAS. |
maybe Bean should have went to the rack a little more figuring he didnt get his first lay up until Game 3
The refs could have given the lakers fifty more free throws and knowing this team, they would have shot 60% .... the better team won clearly and the Mavs closed how you're supposed to. We didn't. |
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| doughboy90650 wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | doughboy90650 wrote: | | Quote: | | But if you're a team that's coming apart at the seams...and you realize in Game 1 that you're absolutely not going to be getting any calls during the series and Dallas is going to be allowed to do whatever they want...it makes it a lot easier to roll over... |
the official practically pushed the Lakers lead to 9 in Game one and they were up 16 ....... blowing that lead had nothing to do with them not playing hard because they were being jobbed. dallas made a run, Lakers played stupid and Phil didn't call a time out ....... lol @ refs |
every decent to good team makes a run. are the mavs a sucker team? NO. they are a good team. lets be realistic. good teams make runs on great teams or good teams. it happens. its just like how everytime the lakers lose or have lossed in the past. people act like the lakers suck. but when boston in 2008 went to the wire with every single east coast team knowing that the lower seeds of east were much weaker then the western lower seeds. but no one complained about boston going to the wire every single series.
but let us lose one. and "the lakers played like idiots, they deserved to lose" why is it everytime we dont play perfect hoop WE DESERVE TO LOSE? everytime we dont play with perfect energy we got what we deserve?
let boston do it. and well they tried. they were just champs with 3 famers and 1 pending in rondo. they should never lose either RIGHT?
this goes to show the bias of some laker fans towards their own team that isnt realistic. this is basketball. where great and good teams colllide and make runs on each other. the great teams when anyway, because they have guys who make shots. and draw fouls when need be. not guys who take shots and draw fouls just cause they are getting calls at the moment. did the mavs make their final few buckets on Ft's or not? yes they did. that says ref love.
did kobe get fouled or not? yes he did. but they didnt call it. that says ref love not for the lakers but for dallas.
you either dont give dallas the fts. and dont give them to the lakers. OR you give both teams the fouls late. but you can go half in one one team. thats BIAS. |
maybe Bean should have went to the rack a little more figuring he didnt get his first lay up until Game 3
The refs could have given the lakers fifty more free throws and knowing this team, they would have shot 60% .... the better team won clearly and the Mavs closed how you're supposed to. We didn't. |
WHy should the Bean go to the rack more. when dirk doesn thave to and still can get his FT's up? why go to the rack when you're watching 5 or so shooters go to the ft line more then your bigs are going when they are living in the paint area.?
see to understand this is to not only watch the game for years its to play it for years in an organized fashion.
i've been in games where my team was taller, slightly more athletic the opponent. a better TEAM overall. and we didnt have any personal nonsense going on in the locker room. we still got hosed and lossed. most times we won anyway despite the BIAS officiating. but other times we didnt desire to play THRU the obvious bias whistle. so we more or less laid down on the court. basically what you saw the lakers do.
i've been in situations where you're trying to play the way you've been playing to win all season long. all of a sudden the calls change up on you. you were never a hack. now all of a sudden you're averaging 4 fouls per. darn near fouling out of games. playing the same teams with the exact same game plan they had during the season. nothing changes that much.
they shoot 3's, we're up in them. whistle. back off. they shoot 3's by themselves MONEY. FOR THREEEEE> so we go back and get up in them. WHISTLE... back off. they shoot 3 again. FO RTHREEEEEEE. they cant miss now.
what came first? hot shooting, poor defense, OR bad officiating loosening the shoelace of good defense until it turns into NO DEFENSE.
we go to the rack hard, bogus charge calls. guys are running up underneath us as we approach the basket. getting to the spot extremely late(remember we're more athletic. they are slower). we are getting hammerd in the paint by smaller players. no calls, no and 1s. they get brushed up against, whistle. they get touched on the way up. AND 1.
you do that enough times to any team. and said team will fold.
have you ever seen the great bulls overcome REF bias? NO. they got jerked vs detroit. and they lossed vs detroit. until they start calling early touch fouls for mjay to stop detroit from hacking.
have you ever seen the new C's play thru bias officiating? NO.
but you have seen the lakers play thru it and come out on top atleast the last two seasons. we given you guys statsistics showing other teams are shooting more fts then the lakers for the past 3 years or so. even though we were the best inside team(not counting fast breaks as inside points).
it doesnt add up folks. and at some pont you have to admit it.
The lakers have had the better team on paper for years now. thats why they end up in the finals. but thats also possibly why they get jerked so much when it comes to the refs. cause the lakers always seem to acquire greatness. which turns into a loss for the opponent. people get sick of watching the lakers blow people out. even our own fans said as much on LG early in the season"this is boring"
so you know the refs have to bail teams out to make it a game vs us. are you saying you wouldnt get sick and tired of that?
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| Mamba3301 wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | There might be some truth to this I said some BUT Stern is losing $$$ with teams like the Lakers being bounced etc. |
Not true. America likes to see the Lakers lose.
We'll see what happens to the ratings now that the Lakers are out but they always INCREASE when the we lose. Stern isn't losing any money. |
Yeah but after they lose do they still watch the NBA Playoffs?
If that were the case the Spurs/Cavs wouldn't be the lowest rated Finals ever
Good thing the Lakers blew the obvious plan which was Lakers/Heat where the Heat win in 7 and Lebron dethrones Kobe so to speak.
That would be ratings bonanza same for Lakers/Celtics and then you add Shaq/Kobe to it... |
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | Mamba3301 wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | There might be some truth to this I said some BUT Stern is losing $$$ with teams like the Lakers being bounced etc. |
Not true. America likes to see the Lakers lose.
We'll see what happens to the ratings now that the Lakers are out but they always INCREASE when the we lose. Stern isn't losing any money. |
Yeah but after they lose do they still watch the NBA Playoffs?
If that were the case the Spurs/Cavs wouldn't be the lowest rated Finals ever
Good thing the Lakers blew the obvious plan which was Lakers/Heat where the Heat win in 7 and Lebron dethrones Kobe so to speak.
That would be ratings bonanza same for Lakers/Celtics and then you add Shaq/Kobe to it... |
Exactly- even though yesterday's game got a big bump, there were a lot of things that went into it- historic nature of game with dynasty ending, Phil leaving and people simply not believing Lakers would get swept.
Lakers generate the biggest ratings of any team because they havethe most fans and (along with Boston and Miami) the most people who hate them.
Networks (and ultimately the NBA in the next contract) will make less money without Lakers as ratings (and advertising rates) will be substantially lower for Mavs/Grizz/OKC vs Bulls/Heat/Cs than if the Lakers were playing any of those teams. Grizz-Hawks is the NBA's worst nightmare.
Lakers vs Heat/Bulls or Cs was their dream scenario. |
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| Senor Mortgage wrote: | | Sorry PvP, you cannot convince me that the league purposefully rigged the games against the Lakers, their biggest meal ticket by far, with Miami/Celtics/Bulls on the other side. Somehow David Stern rigging games to aid Mark Cuban win the series and make sure that a relatively low appeal team comes out of the Western Conference doesn't seem plausible to me. |
Thank you.
The NBA is not in the business of shooting itself in the foot.
Lakers lost because they were sloppy on defense and played dumb on offense.
If they had worked the ball inside more instead of taking bad jumpers in the 3rd quarters of games 1 and 3 they would have won those games.
Or if they had bothered to cover anyone in their defensive rotations they would have won games 1 and 3.
This thread is an embarrassing joke.
Lakers got more FTs than the Mavs yesterday.
So by the logic of this thread, THE MAVS GOT SCREWED!!! THE NBA WAS RIGGING IT FOR LA!!!
That's how idiotic it sounds to simply focus on FTA per game. |
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| Cheated? More like raped and exposed. Make excuses all you want, it won't change the final outcome of failure. |
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Sorry but someone can post all the idiotic "facts" they want about how the world is flat.
Then they can reply to their own posts over and over and over again.
Doesn't mean it is worth any reasonable person's time to go and dispute those facts.
And just to be clear ... NOTHING at all whatsoever that has been submitted and labeled as facts, are actually facts that prove in any way the claim.
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Always love a PnP special.
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Also, if David Stern is smart enough to execute this ridiculous theory, I am pretty sure he is then smart enough to make sure that "postandpivot" on LakersGround.net won't figure it all out.
This is about as ridiculous as the Lakers getting swept. |
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There's nothing to rig when one team shoots the f'n lights out the whole series. We got beat. Period. End of Story. No tin foil hat required. Move on. Reload. Revenge for next season.
If there is rigging to be involved don't you think it would do the NBA best to extend this series beyond 4 games??? 
All this conspiracy s*** is just making us look like sour grapes... like Andrew Bynum on Barrea like sour grapes.
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Since Lakers = rating. I see Stern before game 1 of the Finals coming out walking like Vince and replace the west team by the Lakers.
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With the game 4 blowout still fresh in everyone's mind, it's very easy to say "They shot lights out and we played with no heart. They were clearly the better team". To an extent that is true, but there is no denying that game 1 was decided on lopsided calls in the last few seconds and game 3 was a statistical aberration.
When you break it down, this series played out very much like the '08 Finals vs Boston.
'11 game 1 was like '08 game 4. We had a huge lead, then let off the gas, ended up losing at the end when we couldn't get a call down the final stretch. Lakers lose.
'11 game 2 was like '08 game 1. Refs control the tempo and stem runs and certain points of the game, but didn't necessarily decide who the winner was. Lakers lose.
'11 game 3 was like '08 game 2. Refs controlled the game start to finish, engineering a Laker loss at all costs. Both games have box scores that makes absolutely no sense backed with video footage of extremely lopsided calls against the Lakers. Lakers outplay the opposition but cannot overcome the refs.
'11 game 4 was '08 game 6, except in '06 there was a stretch where Lakers actually got a couple calls when the game started getting out of hand. That didn't happen yesterday until Mavs were up 30 late in the game.
Much like the '08 Finals, it looks like the Lakers were outplayed, but there was a key pivotal game that swung the entire series that was undoubtedly rigged for the Lakers to lose. Much like '08, many Lakers fans will always wonder what would have happened if Stern hadn't gotten involved. |
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| DJ Qube wrote: | With the game 4 blowout still fresh in everyone's mind, it's very easy to say "They shot lights out and we played with no heart. They were clearly the better team". To an extent that is true, but there is no denying that game 1 was decided on lopsided calls in the last few seconds and game 3 was a statistical aberration.
When you break it down, this series played out very much like the '08 Finals vs Boston.
'11 game 1 was like '08 game 4. We had a huge lead, then let off the gas, ended up losing at the end when we couldn't get a call down the final stretch. Lakers lose.
'11 game 2 was like '08 game 1. Refs control the tempo and stem runs and certain points of the game, but didn't necessarily decide who the winner was. Lakers lose.
'11 game 3 was like '08 game 2. Refs controlled the game start to finish, engineering a Laker loss at all costs. Both games have box scores that makes absolutely no sense backed with video footage of extremely lopsided calls against the Lakers. Lakers outplay the opposition but cannot overcome the refs.
'11 game 4 was '08 game 6, except in '06 there was a stretch where Lakers actually got a couple calls when the game started getting out of hand. That didn't happen yesterday until Mavs were up 30 late in the game.
Much like the '08 Finals, it looks like the Lakers were outplayed, but there was a key pivotal game that swung the entire series that was undoubtedly rigged for the Lakers to lose. Much like '08, many Lakers fans will always wonder what would have happened if Stern hadn't gotten involved. |
Game 1: Yup had nothing to do with our guards chucking up bad early clock threes in the 4th instead of playing smart offense and stupid TOs/fouls. Lakers choked plain and simple.
Game 3: Yes, the NBA systematically decided to cause a series to end in 4-5 games instead of 6-7 and did it against the biggest ratings draw in the sport. Makes sense. Or maybe the Lakers don't collapse in the 4th again with an 8 point lead halfway through.
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Simple answer for Kidd's fouls:
Kobe lacked the ability to change direction on offense in this series, even on the Game 1 final shot Kobe couldn't cleanly catch, turn, and shoot in one fluid motion, allowing Kidd to get a hand up. Despite 36 in game 1, he was unable to even play that many minutes. And he would have normally challenged Chandler at the rim with the jam, rather than throwing an NBA Jam pass to the three-point line to no one in particular.
By Game 2, all Kobe could do is fake one way and go the other, and try to pull up and shoot with the defender off balance. His footwork was off resulting in a travel in Game 3.
And don't get me started on Gasol and Artest's fatigue, after such heavy regular season use from the lack of depth at their positions. |
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Interesting stat
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Chandler 125 minutes 13 FGA 10 FTA .080 FTA PM% .769 FTA PS%
Haywood 61 minutes 7 FGA 5 FTA .081 FTA PM% .714 FTA PS%
Bynum 134 minutes 42 FGA 9 FTA .067 FTA PM% .214 FTA PS%
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I don't buy into conspiracies, but that confirms exactly what I saw: two teams were judged by a completely different standard in terms of the allowable physicality in, at minimum, the paint.
I saw bigs allowed to push, shove, grab, and body bigs on one end, and touch fouls called on the other. Saw it all series long. The fact that Drew finished the series with 9 FTs -- one less than Chandler, and not even close to the FT rate clip of either Chandler or Haywood -- is amazing.
I'm pretty much done with the NBA. I don't know how you can believe that this kind'a bias occurs -- regardless of why or how -- and still watch games. If I'm honest with myself -- something I try "not" to be when watching NBA games -- then I have to admit that the league is (bleep). |
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| zurich78 wrote: | Sorry but someone can post all the idiotic "facts" they want about how the world is flat.
Then they can reply to their own posts over and over and over again.
Doesn't mean it is worth any reasonable person's time to go and dispute those facts.
And just to be clear ... NOTHING at all whatsoever that has been submitted and labeled as facts, are actually facts that prove in any way the claim.
They are pieces of evidence that are being USED to make a claim. That's it. |
see you just made a mistake.
if i post actual FACTS showing the world could be flat. you would be DUMB not to check into those facts for yourself. but i bet you would probably choose not to. why? because its easier to go along with the masses, even if that meant eventually you would go with the masses off the edge of the earth. most peopel dont want to reallllly take time out to THINK about whats going on around them. so they reach at the obvious thing that everyone else is saying already. thats the road of least resistance. who wants to be called a fool for believing in consipracies or nba cheating? no one. but there's only a few of us that are willing to prove their case and stand by it until someone DISPROVES IT with factual evidence.
i'll post it again. show me how a team destroying you in the paint while you're shooting 3's and fadeaways doesnt live at the FT line for 15+ fts disparity at least?
you still dont have the answer cause you know there is no logical answer outside of BIAS officiating.
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| celticsblow wrote: | Interesting stat
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Chandler 125 minutes 13 FGA 10 FTA .080 FTA PM% .769 FTA PS%
Haywood 61 minutes 7 FGA 5 FTA .081 FTA PM% .714 FTA PS%
Bynum 134 minutes 42 FGA 9 FTA .067 FTA PM% .214 FTA PS%
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I don't buy into conspiracies, but that confirms exactly what I saw: two teams were judged by a completely different standard in terms of the allowable physicality in, at minimum, the paint.
I saw bigs allowed to push, shove, grab, and body bigs on one end, and touch fouls called on the other. Saw it all series long. The fact that Drew finished the series with 9 FTs -- one less than Chandler, and not even close to the FT rate clip of either Chandler or Haywood -- is amazing.
I'm pretty much done with the NBA. I don't know how you can believe that this kind'a bias occurs -- regardless of why or how -- and still watch games. If I'm honest with myself -- something I try "not" to be when watching NBA games -- then I have to admit that the league is (bleep). |
Welll postandpivot must have opened more accounts. cause here's this other guy coming with the alarming facts.
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| postandpivot wrote: | | zurich78 wrote: | Sorry but someone can post all the idiotic "facts" they want about how the world is flat.
Then they can reply to their own posts over and over and over again.
Doesn't mean it is worth any reasonable person's time to go and dispute those facts.
And just to be clear ... NOTHING at all whatsoever that has been submitted and labeled as facts, are actually facts that prove in any way the claim.
They are pieces of evidence that are being USED to make a claim. That's it. |
see you just made a mistake.
if i post actual FACTS showing the world could be flat. you would be DUMB not to check into those facts for yourself. but i bet you would probably choose not to. why? because its easier to go along with the masses, even if that meant eventually you would go with the masses off the edge of the earth. most peopel dont want to reallllly take time out to THINK about whats going on around them. so they reach at the obvious thing that everyone else is saying already. thats the road of least resistance. who wants to be called a fool for believing in consipracies or nba cheating? no one. but there's only a few of us that are willing to prove their case and stand by it until someone DISPROVES IT with factual evidence.
i'll post it again. show me how a team destroying you in the paint while you're shooting 3's and fadeaways doesnt live at the FT line for 15+ fts disparity at least?
you still dont have the answer cause you know there is no logical answer outside of BIAS officiating. |
Ok then. I'm going to come up with my theory. And I'm going to present my facts.
You going to take the time to dispute them? No matter how ridiculous my theory is then?
Bahhh what difference does it make. You're not a person of your word. First you say you're never coming back and then you just reappear for no good reason. |
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| Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | Simple answer for Kidd's fouls:
Kobe lacked the ability to change direction on offense in this series, even on the Game 1 final shot Kobe couldn't cleanly catch, turn, and shoot in one fluid motion, allowing Kidd to get a hand up. Despite 36 in game 1, he was unable to even play that many minutes. And he would have normally challenged Chandler at the rim with the jam, rather than throwing an NBA Jam pass to the three-point line to no one in particular.
By Game 2, all Kobe could do is fake one way and go the other, and try to pull up and shoot with the defender off balance. His footwork was off resulting in a travel in Game 3.
And don't get me started on Gasol and Artest's fatigue, after such heavy regular season use from the lack of depth at their positions. |
okay thanks for playing along.
i'll prove jkidd fouled him. even simmons a laker/kobe hater admitted to "jkidd seems to can do anything he wants to kobe on defense"
kobe hurt, is still 1.5 steps faster then jkidd. you saw this when you saw kobe steal the ball from jkidd and get in front of him. while jkidd decided to old man him and give him a slight push in the lower back. BLOWN LAYUP KOBE> No call... dallas ball back up the court.
jkidd on one of those last moment kobe shots. showed jkidd bodying kobe up the entire time he drove towards the basket. once kobe finally got that step on him. jkidd from behind just slapps down to get a strip. misses completely and hits kobe. NO CALLLLL at all. when was the last time you've seen kobe allowed to body up any perimeter player (Bellinelli is slow. but we couldnt body him up off the dribble or else. WHISTLE fest.
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