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wolfpaclaker
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Howard is pipe until Mitch makes a bold move first.
Which is dealing Pau Gasol for an expiring contract or expiring contracts or trading him for a trade X to a team with capspace. If you somehow could manage that or even somehow convince Otis Smith that you are pulling that trade, or even do a 3-way trade, then you are in serious contention for Dwight.
Before then, any threat of Howard to LA is pipe. LA can't sign Howard as it stands now in 2012. The Magic have no reason to think he will sign here. They could work with Howard on trading him to another one of his destinations. Such as New York. They may be able to land Amare Stoudemire even, a straight up swap and then NY could try to sign Paul or Deron in 2012. That works for NY (They upgrade with Howard over Amare, and still have a shot at Chris Paul/Deron Williams in '12) and Orlando (All-Star for All-Star, Amare is 28 coming of his best season ever).
Now lets say Mitch can get a deal for Pau for last years. The next move would be to amnesty Luke Walton.
Now the threat for LA to sign Howard is legit. In which case, much like how the Nuggets had to deal with NY or no one, Howard/LA can play the same cards. LA can say trade Howard to us for Bynum + filler or we sign him out right in 2012. Magic have no choice but to deal with that.
So then what you have is Howard, Kobe, Odom, Artest, Fisher, Blake, Walton and the last year's from Pau Gasol as your team for next season + MLE.
It is the only realistic way I see Howard being dealt to the Lakers before next year. Also one other possibility is for the Lakers to actually amnesty Pau Gasol. Considering that the next CBA may allow for teams to amnesty players against their cap, not just the lux tax. |
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salvosation
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | salvosation wrote: | Gasol and filler for Howard
Odom, Artest and Blake for DWill
Sign a shooting, slashing athletic small foward with MLE
and fill the blanks with vet minimum
our roster
DWill
Kob
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Big Drew
that's a squad. You can bring yo momma to play with that team and win it all. |
Too bad neither of those deals will happen. Neither gives the other team enough to get a deal done. |
Man please! Folks were calling Pau the first or at worse second best big man at the beginning of the season. Still saying he is the most skilled. Plus Orlando is getting more than just a little something instead of nothing for D12. You just don't want to see rag doll leave. Artest and Odom are NYers who can bring people in to watch once they move to Brooklyn. Don't sleep, these players have value. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:10 am Post subject: |
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"YES" is up to 52.76% in the poll.
Someone should tweet it to Dwight again. |
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chickenjoy24
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| IMO we need to keep Pau and LO because they're so versatile. Mitch just needs to find the magic wand again and get D12 for Bynum + Anyone not Kobe/LO/Pau |
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| chickenjoy24 wrote: | | IMO we need to keep Pau and LO because they're so versatile. Mitch just needs to find the magic wand again and get D12 for Bynum + Anyone not Kobe/LO/Pau |
Versatile Pau can't do jack (bleep) inside the paint. Let's get D12 for Pau + LO. |
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Howard is pipe until Mitch makes a bold move first.
Which is dealing Pau Gasol for an expiring contract or expiring contracts or trading him for a trade X to a team with capspace. If you somehow could manage that or even somehow convince Otis Smith that you are pulling that trade, or even do a 3-way trade, then you are in serious contention for Dwight.
Before then, any threat of Howard to LA is pipe. LA can't sign Howard as it stands now in 2012. The Magic have no reason to think he will sign here. They could work with Howard on trading him to another one of his destinations. Such as New York. They may be able to land Amare Stoudemire even, a straight up swap and then NY could try to sign Paul or Deron in 2012. That works for NY (They upgrade with Howard over Amare, and still have a shot at Chris Paul/Deron Williams in '12) and Orlando (All-Star for All-Star, Amare is 28 coming of his best season ever).
Now lets say Mitch can get a deal for Pau for last years. The next move would be to amnesty Luke Walton.
Now the threat for LA to sign Howard is legit. In which case, much like how the Nuggets had to deal with NY or no one, Howard/LA can play the same cards. LA can say trade Howard to us for Bynum + filler or we sign him out right in 2012. Magic have no choice but to deal with that.
So then what you have is Howard, Kobe, Odom, Artest, Fisher, Blake, Walton and the last year's from Pau Gasol as your team for next season + MLE.
It is the only realistic way I see Howard being dealt to the Lakers before next year. Also one other possibility is for the Lakers to actually amnesty Pau Gasol. Considering that the next CBA may allow for teams to amnesty players against their cap, not just the lux tax. |
In other words, the future is bleak for the Lakers. Giving up both Pau and Bynum to get Howard makes us weaker, not stronger. Not to mention father time chugs along. Then again keeping those 2 doesn't look promising either. Unless Kobe is truly like MJ when he was dominating till 35, we are screwed. People keep talking about our bigs as being our advantage, but why is that so? Would they keep saying that if Bynum, Odom and Gasol were in Toronto? The reason why our situation is unique is that we have these three ON TOP OF KOBE!! That's why we're special. So we still go as far as Kobe takes us, and it sure did not look like he could still take over a game anytime he wanted to. 17pts in each of his last 2 games with season and 6th title on the line, if Kobe had an MJ game in him, we would have seen it. I guess what I'm saying is if Kobe is still our guy, until his contract is up, it will still be a struggle. Like I said, unless he can play real MVP basketball in the next several years. I'm talking real MVP ball where the national media sees it, not just LG posters wearing Laker goggles... or else, we are sort of stuck in mud. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| salvosation wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | salvosation wrote: | Gasol and filler for Howard
Odom, Artest and Blake for DWill
Sign a shooting, slashing athletic small foward with MLE
and fill the blanks with vet minimum
our roster
DWill
Kob
MLE
DHoward
Big Drew
that's a squad. You can bring yo momma to play with that team and win it all. |
Too bad neither of those deals will happen. Neither gives the other team enough to get a deal done. |
Man please! Folks were calling Pau the first or at worse second best big man at the beginning of the season. Still saying he is the most skilled. Plus Orlando is getting more than just a little something instead of nothing for D12. You just don't want to see rag doll leave. Artest and Odom are NYers who can bring people in to watch once they move to Brooklyn. Don't sleep, these players have value. |
Orlando would much rather get Bynum than Pau in all likelihood. Especially if fillers are the only other thing involved (besides taking back Arenas' deal).
No way NJ trades DWIll for LO and Ron. Not happening. |
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babyskyhook
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Howard is pipe until Mitch makes a bold move first.
Which is dealing Pau Gasol for an expiring contract or expiring contracts or trading him for a trade X to a team with capspace. If you somehow could manage that or even somehow convince Otis Smith that you are pulling that trade, or even do a 3-way trade, then you are in serious contention for Dwight.
Before then, any threat of Howard to LA is pipe. LA can't sign Howard as it stands now in 2012. The Magic have no reason to think he will sign here. They could work with Howard on trading him to another one of his destinations. Such as New York. They may be able to land Amare Stoudemire even, a straight up swap and then NY could try to sign Paul or Deron in 2012. That works for NY (They upgrade with Howard over Amare, and still have a shot at Chris Paul/Deron Williams in '12) and Orlando (All-Star for All-Star, Amare is 28 coming of his best season ever).
Now lets say Mitch can get a deal for Pau for last years. The next move would be to amnesty Luke Walton.
Now the threat for LA to sign Howard is legit. In which case, much like how the Nuggets had to deal with NY or no one, Howard/LA can play the same cards. LA can say trade Howard to us for Bynum + filler or we sign him out right in 2012. Magic have no choice but to deal with that.
So then what you have is Howard, Kobe, Odom, Artest, Fisher, Blake, Walton and the last year's from Pau Gasol as your team for next season + MLE.
It is the only realistic way I see Howard being dealt to the Lakers before next year. Also one other possibility is for the Lakers to actually amnesty Pau Gasol. Considering that the next CBA may allow for teams to amnesty players against their cap, not just the lux tax. |
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even if the Lakers did the above they wouldn't have the capspace to sign Dwight.
But with the Clips, NJ, Boston all legit threats to sign him outright as a FA, if he says he's going to leave, he'll have a lot of leverage to get to LA, if that's where he says he wants to go.
Plus, the LAkers can put together a better package (including absorbing a bad contract) than just about anybody else. |
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It's kinda scummy, but I do like how Dwight is already playing up the 'victim' angle with the media and likening his situation to Shaq.
More likely than not, Dwight has already decided he's not staying in Orlando. But he'll use the media as a framework for his planned departure, acting like he was pushed out. |
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wolfpaclaker
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | even if the Lakers did the above they wouldn't have the capspace to sign Dwight.
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I think if you have only Kobe, Artest, Fisher, Blake, Walton on contract for 12-13, and then you could always move 1 of the smaller of those contracts for a last year or trade X, then there is a significant amount of capspace available for a marquee FA.
I'm not saying that's what I'd do or expect LA to do, but if they are serious about landing Dwight they need to show capspace for 2012. Like the Knicks did with Melo. Otherwise, the Magic can deal with other teams. In a scenario where LA has capspace in 2012 (even say 12-14 M) the Magic would have to realize the threat and would see Howard signing there in 2012. Then they play ball. |
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| i wouldnt do it because of L-O but if they threw in Jameer than i'd do it |
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The new collective bargaining agreement is the main reason we will not see D12 in purple and gold.
Yes I'm sure he would love to play for the Lakers who wouldn't.
The owners will get most of what they want a hard cap of some kind which will limit the ability of teams willing to spend more.
Couple that with an amnesty of some kind which will allow the magic to lose arenas and or turk and they are in much better shape to offer dwight franchise money.
If they are forced to trade away those contracts to move them and get back a player of Bynum's caliber yes they may play.
The way this cba is being discussed puts the richer teams that can pay a luxury tax on an even keel with the Hornets of the league.
Let's hope things stay close to the way they are or D12 is pipe unless he is willing to play for a lot less. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Howard is pipe until Mitch makes a bold move first.
Which is dealing Pau Gasol for an expiring contract or expiring contracts or trading him for a trade X to a team with capspace. If you somehow could manage that or even somehow convince Otis Smith that you are pulling that trade, or even do a 3-way trade, then you are in serious contention for Dwight.
Before then, any threat of Howard to LA is pipe. LA can't sign Howard as it stands now in 2012. The Magic have no reason to think he will sign here. They could work with Howard on trading him to another one of his destinations. Such as New York. They may be able to land Amare Stoudemire even, a straight up swap and then NY could try to sign Paul or Deron in 2012. That works for NY (They upgrade with Howard over Amare, and still have a shot at Chris Paul/Deron Williams in '12) and Orlando (All-Star for All-Star, Amare is 28 coming of his best season ever).
Now lets say Mitch can get a deal for Pau for last years. The next move would be to amnesty Luke Walton.
Now the threat for LA to sign Howard is legit. In which case, much like how the Nuggets had to deal with NY or no one, Howard/LA can play the same cards. LA can say trade Howard to us for Bynum + filler or we sign him out right in 2012. Magic have no choice but to deal with that.
So then what you have is Howard, Kobe, Odom, Artest, Fisher, Blake, Walton and the last year's from Pau Gasol as your team for next season + MLE.
It is the only realistic way I see Howard being dealt to the Lakers before next year. Also one other possibility is for the Lakers to actually amnesty Pau Gasol. Considering that the next CBA may allow for teams to amnesty players against their cap, not just the lux tax. |
I think what you may be missing is the fact that if Dwight wants out....Orlando may be stuck with the very real possibility of being FORCED to take LESS than market value.
You know they don't want him in the East. So wouldn't trading for arguably the second best young center in the league (Bynum) while getting him out West where you only see him once a year in your building make sense?
I agree, they will not trade him by choice. But if he decides he wants out, they may be faced with the realization that the Bynum deal is about the best they are going to get.
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| Of course Orloando area likes it. |
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Quote: | even if the Lakers did the above they wouldn't have the capspace to sign Dwight.
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I think if you have only Kobe, Artest, Fisher, Blake, Walton on contract for 12-13, and then you could always move 1 of the smaller of those contracts for a last year or trade X, then there is a significant amount of capspace available for a marquee FA.
I'm not saying that's what I'd do or expect LA to do, but if they are serious about landing Dwight they need to show capspace for 2012. Like the Knicks did with Melo. Otherwise, the Magic can deal with other teams. In a scenario where LA has capspace in 2012 (even say 12-14 M) the Magic would have to realize the threat and would see Howard signing there in 2012. Then they play ball. |
Not necessarily. If there is a viable team that Howard would go to that has cap space, that could be enough to get them to deal. As long as Howard has one free agent option he likes better than Orlando, the Lakers have some pressure.
In any case, the idea of dumping Pau just to get cap space on the chance of getting Howard doesn't seem sensible to me. I think the possibilities are much more varied that you are imagining. |
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | You know they don't want him in the East. So wouldn't trading for arguably the second best young center in the league (Bynum) while getting him out West where you only see him once a year in your building make sense?
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It doesn't make sense to me, it never has. I would think the objective is to make your team as good as you can. Passing on a better deal just to get your guy out of your conference doesn't make sense. Yet you hear that mentioned all the time.
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Of course Orlando fans would want Pau, the most versatile 4/5 in the league with LO by his side. What would the Lakers do with 2 pure centers? Bad trade for us.
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Up to 53.2% 
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| babyskyhook wrote: |
"YES" is up to 52.76% in the poll.
Someone should tweet it to Dwight again. |
Will tweet him again if it's at 55% or 60%. 
Currently at 53.23%! |
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| Dwight+Arenas for Gasol+Odom+Blake is too much giving up. Dwight+Hedo makes more sense. |
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babyskyhook
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Still at 53%.
Has voter fatigue set in ? |
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| BobbyJ wrote: | | purplehaze wrote: | these Howard rumors are all pipe just like Bosh last year.
After Shaq leaving and mitch stealing Ariza the Magic would cringe at the thought of any deal with the Lakers.
Just like Kevin Mcfail would never trade with us when he was busy ruining Minny. |
It all depends on Dwight Howard. If he tells Orlando Management he wants to play for the Lakers and nobody else then they have no choice. Similar to the Carmelo Anthony situation with Denver. |
They do have a choice. They can say no, which would put Howard on the FA market. Depending on the new CBA, his best choice at that point might be to re-sign with Orlando.
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