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numero-ocho
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| salami wrote: | im still struggling to understand what the problem with Magic's tweet was? my best guess is he exposed the Lakers top secret masterplan to get Dwight Howard.
If thats all you got, then trust me when say you dont have anything to worry about.
and if you still have an issue with anything Magic says, the problem isn't him, its you. |
My problem is Magic representing himself as an insider and an outsider whenever it suits him. He wants to invoke his right of free speech as a journalist and say whatever he wants about the organization he also works for. If he wants to be a journalist, more power to him. He should resign his position with the team.
If Magic wants to hold onto his position, he gives up the right of free speech when it comes to airing his opinions about how the Lakers' front office handles its' business. This is no different than any other employee who gives up the right to publicly discuss internal business matters of their employer. If he truly is part of the front office and not just a ceremonial VP as I believe, whatever he has to say about how the front office conducts business should be said to them not to twitter. His first obligation is to his employer, not to his fans.
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We'll know soon enough. Bynum's contract is coming up and no way I see him getting the max. Usually teams max out their untouchable players. Well in Bynum's case, they almost let him go to the season ready to be a RFA at the end of the year. Instead Bynum told his camp to stop Fing around and he wanted to remain a Laker and that he would take their best deal/offer.
So certainly while Woj is a reputable writer it makes little sense. If Bynum was viewed as LBJ or whoever - untouchable - then why on earth would they even draw a hard line in negotiations with him? And they definitely pissed his agent off with the Ariza stuff. You don't do that with guys you feel are untouchable. You offer them the max, you give them what they want you make their agents happy. Bynum is primarily still a Laker because he accepted the Lakers offer which could well have been less than what he would have received a year later from the Thunder. I think the Jim Buss/Bynum stuff is overblown. Jim Buss said Melo was never offered for him and I think many overstate the value of Bynum in trades. No one is dealing a superstar for a guy who is injured 50% of the games he plays. Not unless they want to clear cap room and hit the lottery. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Drifts wrote: | of course it is a blog... but as I said, other sources have said the same. for instance, would Adrian Wojnarowski suffice?
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Woj. You mean the same guy that said eventually Kobe backstabs everybody? That same writer? |
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | We'll know soon enough. Bynum's contract is coming up and no way I see him getting the max. Usually teams max out their untouchable players. Well in Bynum's case, they almost let him go to the season ready to be a RFA at the end of the year. Instead Bynum told his camp to stop Fing around and he wanted to remain a Laker and that he would take their best deal/offer.
So certainly while Woj is a reputable writer it makes little sense. If Bynum was viewed as LBJ or whoever - untouchable - then why on earth would they even draw a hard line in negotiations with him? And they definitely pissed his agent off with the Ariza stuff. You don't do that with guys you feel are untouchable. You offer them the max, you give them what they want you make their agents happy. Bynum is primarily still a Laker because he accepted the Lakers offer which could well have been less than what he would have received a year later from the Thunder. I think the Jim Buss/Bynum stuff is overblown. Jim Buss said Melo was never offered for him and I think many overstate the value of Bynum in trades. No one is dealing a superstar for a guy who is injured 50% of the games he plays. Not unless they want to clear cap room and hit the lottery. |
Interesting. Certainly, if you go to other team's boards, their fans value Bynum at 40%-50% of where his LG fans put him.
The "sellers" see the 20/12 potential and the "buyers" see the 11/9 with 30 games on the IL history..
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| He is absolutely right. Damn I wish he would someday become owner. That jim buss Bynum nut sack lover doesn't look like he could run the team in the future. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| oldandpurpleandgold wrote: | | Magic should think about shutting the F up about the Lakers for a while. |
wow ,i'm in 100% agreement. SHUT UP
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wolfpaclaker wrote:
| Quote: | | We'll know soon enough. Bynum's contract is coming up and no way I see him getting the max. Usually teams max out their untouchable players. Well in Bynum's case, they almost let him go to the season ready to be a RFA at the end of the year. Instead Bynum told his camp to stop Fing around and he wanted to remain a Laker and that he would take their best deal/offer. |
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They came no where near letting Andrew go. Negotiations were on going, both sides using all leverage at their disposal.
| Quote: | | The Los Angeles Lakers signed Andrew Bynum to a contract extension Thursday, removing the possibility the 21-year-old center would become an restricted free agent next summer. |
You don't give a player you're about to let go a contract worth 58 millions dollars. | Quote: | The deal is worth about $58 million over four years, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing sources familiar with the negotiations.
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What evidience do you have to substantiate you claim "Bynum told his camp to stop Fing around and he wanted to remain a Laker and that he would take their best deal/offer"?
| Quote: | | So certainly while Woj is a reputable writer it makes little sense. If Bynum was viewed as LBJ or whoever - untouchable - then why on earth would they even draw a hard line in negotiations with him? And they definitely pissed his agent off with the Ariza stuff. You don't do that with guys you feel are untouchable. You offer them the max, you give them what they want you make their agents happy. Bynum is primarily still a Laker because he accepted the Lakers offer which could well have been less than what he would have received a year later from the Thunder. I think the Jim Buss/Bynum stuff is overblown. Jim Buss said Melo was never offered for him and I think many overstate the value of Bynum in trades. No one is dealing a superstar for a guy who is injured 50% of the games he plays. Not unless they want to clear cap room and hit the lottery. |
You get a notable writer that sides with Jim saying Andrew was untouchable but say it makes little sense.
Jim Buss said he's untouchable, which is what you initialy disputed and given evidence you were in err then you say | Quote: | | You don't do that with guys you feel are untouchable. |
| Quote: | | I think the Jim Buss/Bynum stuff is overblown. |
You're entitled to your opinion but it's just that, your opinion, not fact as you seem to make it.
I'm sure you know the reason Bynum wasn't given a max contract was because he was coming off a serious knee injury that was questionable. It wouldn't have made good business sense.
3 years guranteed 4th year option, good deal for both parties. Andrew wanted max Jim did want to max a player who had a questionable knee. IMO the contract was fair for both sides.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | We'll know soon enough. Bynum's contract is coming up and no way I see him getting the max. Usually teams max out their untouchable players. Well in Bynum's case, they almost let him go to the season ready to be a RFA at the end of the year. Instead Bynum told his camp to stop Fing around and he wanted to remain a Laker and that he would take their best deal/offer.
So certainly while Woj is a reputable writer it makes little sense. If Bynum was viewed as LBJ or whoever - untouchable - then why on earth would they even draw a hard line in negotiations with him? And they definitely pissed his agent off with the Ariza stuff. You don't do that with guys you feel are untouchable. You offer them the max, you give them what they want you make their agents happy. Bynum is primarily still a Laker because he accepted the Lakers offer which could well have been less than what he would have received a year later from the Thunder. I think the Jim Buss/Bynum stuff is overblown. Jim Buss said Melo was never offered for him and I think many overstate the value of Bynum in trades. No one is dealing a superstar for a guy who is injured 50% of the games he plays. Not unless they want to clear cap room and hit the lottery. |
Interesting. Certainly, if you go to other team's boards, their fans value Bynum at 40%-50% of where his LG fans put him.
The "sellers" see the 20/12 potential and the "buyers" see the 11/9 with 30 games on the IL history.. |
That's probably true among fans. I'm guessing GM's see those numbers as floor and ceiling.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| OX1947 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | I find it funny that the people who act like Magic should shut up because he has no good reason making these tweets seem to constantly read his feed. Maybe that's why he does it, because people care what he's thinking, even the ones who spend a lot of time reading his feed so they can immediately tell us how little they care about each of his opinions... |
Kinda how everyone keeps talking about Lebron every 5 seconds and how every crappy sports writer is an idiot even though I see his stuff posted on here every other day. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| All this depends on Bynum if he looks great and becomes consistent the magic would be interested |
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| All Net wrote: | | All this depends on Bynum if he looks great and becomes consistent the magic would be interested |
If he looks good and becomes consistent, why would the Lakers trade him?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| jodeke wrote: | | All Net wrote: | | All this depends on Bynum if he looks great and becomes consistent the magic would be interested |
If he looks good and becomes consistent, why would the Lakers trade him? |
because dwight you could say is a top 3 player and an unstoppable force. Guess it depends how good Bynum does really. |
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| All Net wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | All Net wrote: | | All this depends on Bynum if he looks great and becomes consistent the magic would be interested |
If he looks good and becomes consistent, why would the Lakers trade him? |
because dwight you could say is a top 3 player and an unstoppable force. Guess it depends how good Bynum does really. |
I guess if the opportunity to get Dwight were to present itself it would be difficult to resist.
I think Andrew is a phenomenal talent with a great upside. He's been plagued with injuries so his true level has never been afforded.
Next season I intend to employ the services of a 'sangomas to ward off the evil spirits. 
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| All Net wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | All Net wrote: | | All this depends on Bynum if he looks great and becomes consistent the magic would be interested |
If he looks good and becomes consistent, why would the Lakers trade him? |
because dwight you could say is a top 3 player and an unstoppable force. Guess it depends how good Bynum does really. |
Exactly. Bynum is my second favorite Laker behind Kobe. In fact, I bought a Bynum jersey when most LGers either didn't know who he was or were complaining the Lakers even drafted a non-impact player when they did! Haha.
Andrew also had the best post game among all players at this position. BUT... the health factor and some of the maturity issues he has shown means if you can get Dwight straight up for him, you pretty much have to do it. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, how lucky are we to get input like that without even paying the man?
Thanks, Magic! Hopefully the Lakers take a look at Orlando's roster and see what Magic is talking about. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| the way magic tweets...im pretty sure he posts here. he seems like a message board kind of guy. |
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That's our Magic.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Golden State just made offer for Howard according to Hoopshype.. Can't paste I'm on my iPad.... |
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| deal wrote: | | Golden State just made offer for Howard according to Hoopshype.. Can't paste I'm on my iPad.... |
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The Dwight Howard sweepstakes have begun. Golden State offered Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Ekpe Udoh. Unlikely that'll get it done. |
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| All Net wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Golden State just made offer for Howard according to Hoopshype.. Can't paste I'm on my iPad.... |
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The Dwight Howard sweepstakes have begun. Golden State offered Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Ekpe Udoh. Unlikely that'll get it done. |
I agree, the game has begun.. |
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