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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- SIXERS - 2/6 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Deep Sixered... With a 7-point lead and 4 minutes left, the Lakers had the game where they wanted it. It took a collapse on both ends to turn this into a 95-90 loss to the Sixers.

Off the Sixer bench, Lou Williams smoked the Lakers down the stretch on his way to 24 points. DFish, Barnes and Kobe all gave up jumpers against him, and the tide turned in a flash on that end.

Meanwhile, the offense went into a predictable Kobe iso attack and bogged down at the wrong time.

"We had been doing a great job on the offensive boards and getting the ball inside, and unfortunately we didn't get that at the end," said coach John Kuester, who took over for the suspended Mike Brown.

The first two-thirds of that fourth quarter saw some great defensive rotations and a multifaceted offensive attack. Bynum was on his way to the second 20-20 of his career and a tremendous game. They Lakers just folded.

"When it's late in the fourth quarter," said Metta afterward, "stay consistence, relax and everything will be all right. Right now, we've got a little bit of jittery, panicky things going on."

Metta watched from the bench as Barnes closed the game. The Sixers made Fisher and Metta try to beat them earlier in the second half and that went about as you would suspect.

Metta had 4 points on 1-6 shooting, while Fisher had 6 points on 3-7. That duo led the team with a -10 and -11, respectively. This is the problem with putting both of them in the same lineup. (And, of course, it's the larger problem of a limited offensive game nearly every night from them.)


Kobe -- -- He started out hot and quickly surpassed Shaq for No. 5 on the all time points scored list (next up, Wilt). The Sixers sent instant doubles to him to take the ball out of his hands after that. While this resulted in just one hoop for Kobe in both the third and fourth, others got great looks. Unfortunately, those others were often Metta and Fisher. It worked better when we had our shooters out there with him. Once they sat, we faded into some iso Kobe ball down the stretch. The offense bogged down, Kobe kept missing and with no stops, we went weakly into the night. Kuester left Kobe in for 44 minutes. That probably didn't have an effect on Kobe's shooting in the fourth, because a lot of that was poor shot selection. He was called for two push off fouls in this game, one came in the middle of crunch time. James Worthy was pretty harsh after the game on Kobe's fourth quarter. Some credit to the Sixers, though, for keeping Kobe from shooting with the double teams. Then going iso on D with Kobe and Iggy down the stretch after he had been chilled for a while. Of course, we are very predictable in going iso come late fourth quarter. Kobe on passing Shaq: “All the battles we’ve been in, the playoff battles, the duo that we’ve been able to form,” Bryant said in the NY Times, adding that when the rings were factored in, “it makes it a little more significant.” The Stats: He scored 28 points on 10-26 shooting (4-10 from three, 4-4 from the line) to go with 5 boards (3 offensive), 6 assists, 2 steals, 5 turnovers and 3 fouls in 44 minutes. He was a +1. The Action: He missed a wing three off the weakside of A set. He sank a baseline turnaround that spun around the rim about a dozen times before going in. He drained a wing three. He missed a tip, got it back and couldn't hit the turnaround fade in the lane, but Pau cleaned it up. He missed an awkward, off-balance one-footer going to his left. He swiped a return pass on the pick and role (nice communication on that defensive sequence). He pumped, his man didn't bite and he hit the jump-back fade on the baseline. He sank a long wing jumper on iso. He was bumped on the perimeter for FTs, he made both. He fired a pick and pop pass out of bounds. He sank a 30-footer on iso on the next possession. Back in and he swished a long wing three on a busted play to beat the shotclock. He rattled in a face-up three from the other side on the next trip down. He was hacked on a turnaround on the next trip down, he made both FTs. He popped out from the weakside behind a Pau screen, took the pass and rattled in the toe-on-the-three-line jumper to pass Shaq as No. 5 on the all-time scorer's list (Fish gave him a big hug at the timeout). He was called for a push-off foul. He swiped the ball on a mismatch with a 7-footer on D. He hit Bynum off the screen-roll for a score. He missed on a drive and fell out of bounds, the miss was knocked to the perimeter, he got up, tracked it down and missed a three. He had 24 points on 8-14 shooting at the half. Second Half: He drew the D and hit Pau for the lob to Bynum. He threw a pass away zipping it where he thought a Laker was going. He threw a cross-court pass not wanting to give it to a wide open Metta at the top of the key and it was stolen. He blew past Iggy and reversed around the help D (his first shot of the quarter after 9 minutes). He hit Goudelock for the open three. He got tapped on a wing three. Poor chuck from three with time on the clock to pass to Murphy and he missed the prayer. He missed a turnaround. He missed a short turnaround on the baseline but Drew crammed it back in. He fed Pau in the lane for FTs (then got on Pau for not trying to cram it). He spotted Drew with inside position and lobbed to him for the dunk. He missed a wing jumper. We got it back and he was called for a clear out trying to take a pass from Barnes (bad time for that). He missed a baseline fade on iso. He missed a long heave at a three (poor offensive possession). He missed another forced jumper on the next attempt. He attacked the paint with speed, hung and hit the jumper to cut it to 3 (his first hoop of the fourth). He missed a hanging fallaway across the lane down by 3. He missed a tough turnaround heave from three.

Gasol -- -- Pau had some moments on the offensive glass and setting up his fellow bigman. The big three seemed to be working it well for a few possessions in the fourth on their way to their biggest lead. Then we went away from it. You don't want to see Pau as a jump shooter, hoisting up 20-footers down the stretch. But when our offense loses focus, this is what happens these days. When it's rolling, we see the ball in his hands and he's lobbing to Bynum or attacking the lane. They had that going for a stretch in the fourth. Still, he doesn't exactly chase the ball like Kobe or vocally lead the team into playing with a balanced attack. He needs to quit being the silent partner and help lead the team when it matters. The Stats: He scored 16 points on 5-14 shooting (6-8 from the line) to go with 11 boards (6 offensive), 2 assists, 1 block, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 36 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He missed a turnaround in the lane. He sank a lefty hook off low position. He sank an open baseline jumper. We grabbed the Fisher miss an hit him for the jumper. Badly timed lob pass when the D hadn't cleared out behind Kobe and it led to a turnover. He missed a long hook, Kobe kept it alive and Pau tipped it multiple times until it finally dropped (probably 3 or 4 attempts on that sequences). He attacked and missed a pull-up fade, poor shot selection. He missed an open elbow jumper. He was hacked on a throwdown attempt on the quick-fire entry from Metta, he made one FT. Nice close out to force an airball. He crashed the glass to pull down a Bynum miss and was hacked on the putback attempt, he made both FTs. Second Half: He dunked when Drew slipped him a pass as Pau trailed the action. He swiped a cross-court pass to Fish and missed in the lane. He hit Bynum on the lob off the Kobe/Pau screen-roll play. He sank a baseline jumper off the A set sequence. He missed a 20-footer. Out of a timeout, he attacked from the elbow, drew the D and hit Murphy under the hoop for a dunk. He was hacked on the one-handed touch pass from Bynum, he made one FT. He took the pass from Kobe in the middle of the lane and was fouled on the layup, he made both FTs. He missed a turnaround (had Bynum open for a lob). They teamed up next time and Drew earned FTs. Looked like he was fouled on a tip-in attempt.

Bynum -- -- Drew dominated the glass on both ends. He had more offensive boards than any single Sixer had total rebounds. Despite the Lakers domination on the glass, they struggled to dominate the game. Offensively, he was an instant double team. He had a few bad passing sequences out of that and some travels, resulting in the 5 turnovers. Teams will only continue to swarm him until we make our off-ball players more of a threat. "We got to get better options coming off the doubles and triples," Bynum said afterwards. With the second unit, he has the shooters. With the first unit, we have no cutters and Fish/Artest out there. What options does that duo leave? The Stats: He scored 20 points on 8-13 shooting (0-1 from three, 4-6 from the line) to go with 20 boards (8 offensive), 3 assists, 3 blocks, 5 turnovers and 1 foul in 37 minutes. He was a -5. The Action: He traveled in the paint instead of powering up. He missed a short one in the lane, went after the miss and was fouled on the second attempt, he made one FT. Great position at the front of the rim to tip in a Goudelock miss. He skied for a lob from Kapono and threw it down with one hand. He was called for a travel spinning away from the double team. He missed a 17-footer when the offense stalled. He tried to attack off the dribble against a double team, turnover. He missed a reverse. He worked through a crowd off the two-man game with Kobe and hit the short jumphook. He had 7 points on 3-6 shooting and 10 boards. Second Half: Low position off the ball reversal, he took the post feed and scored the easy one. He took the post entry on the center sprint, drew a crowd and slipped a pass to the trailing Pau for the dunk. He grabbed a Pau miss, backed his man down and drew FTs trying to power up, he made one FT. He dunked off the Kobe/Pau screen-roll lob (more please). Careless passing in the post and the ball was knocked from him for a dunk the other way. Easy lefty bank off the drop step down low. He bricked badly on a jumper (after a travel), thankfully it went right to Murphy (who should have gotten the pass to begin with). He one-handed a rebounded and crammed back down the missed Kobe jumper. Sensational defensive rotations by the entire Laker team and Bynum swatted a shot at the tail end of it. He one-handed a Barnes save to Pau under the hoop for FTs. He hit Fish on the triangle split play for the open jumper. He dunked off the lob pass from Kobe. He drew FTs on a lob pass thrown behind him, he made both this time. He missed a three at the end of the game.

Peace -- -- "We just couldn't get stops and sometimes we couldn't convert," said Metta, no doubt thinking of his own open looks. Kobe started ignoring Metta when he got open after he came up cold on a few shots. The defense was just leaving him without worry or without paying the price. We just can't have him spotting up behind the arc in offensive sets. Good teams will make him beat them. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 1-6 shooting (1-4 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 3 assists, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in 25 minutes. He was a -10. The Action: He drew two fouls on his man on the first possession. He missed an open three straight away. He attacked the lane with his left and was hacked on the layup attempt, he made one FT. He swished a corner three off the Kobe double team on the strong side. He didn't settle for three, but made the extra pass to Pau under the hoop for FTs. He missed an open three. We got it back and he airballed a reverse. Second Half: He bricked a wide open three off the Kobe double team. He had Bynum open for a lob and over threw it. His layup was blocked.

Fisher -- -- Wish Kuester would have went into the caveman lawyer/assist coach role tonight with DFish ("I'm just a caveman. I get confused by your bright lights. Yes, I left the rookie guard in all fourth quarter. Yes, I left Fish on the bench, but I'm not the head coach...") To his credit, he did break up the Metta/Fisher duo in crunch time. When does Blake get back again? Williams hit a momentum shifting three on DFish when Derek sagged off him for no reason. That one started turned the tables. Nice moment earlier by Derek when Kobe, his fellow draftee, sank his 24th point of the game to move to No. 5 on the NBA all time scorer's list. He gave Kobe a long hug at midcourt at the timeout. Those two have traveled a lot of miles since then. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-7 shooting (0-3 from three) to go with 6 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 27 minutes. He was a -11. The Action: He missed a wing jumper. He attacked in transition on his hesitation-then-lower-his-head-and-go move and somehow rattled in the quick-fire layup. He drained a foot-on-the-three-line jumper from in front of the Laker bench. He missed a long three. Second Half: He missed a pull-up three in early offense. He missed a corner jumper. He sank an open baseline jumper off the triangle split kickout from Bynum. He sagged off Williams for no reason and gave up a huge three. Williams blew past him for a layup on iso.

Murphy -- -- Better job by the bench tonight. Kuester ran Kobe with them instead of Kapono in the second half. That made a big difference, of course. Again, Murphy seemed to start a little slow before getting into the groove. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 3-5 shooting (1-3 from three) to go with 5 boards, 2 assists, 1 turnover and no fouls in 23 minutes. He was a +5. The Action: He threw the ball away not shooting an open three, then gave up a second chance score on the other end. Good hustle to grab a board and reset the offense. Second Half: He dunked off the drive and dish from Pau. He drained a wing three when Kobe drew the instant double team. He missed a tough three at the buzzer. He missed a three on a kickout. He scored an easy layup after grabbing the bricked Bynum jumper that didn't hit rim.

Barnes -- -- Our SF spot managed 4 points on 1-9 shooting. We don't necessarily need a good SF to improve this. A quality SG could allow Kobe to slide over for more minutes at the SF and would reduced the need for Barnes/Metta to get production from that spot. We need to upgrade in some fashion. Defensively, Barnes got a lot of minutes on Williams and had just as much difficulty as anyone else. Blake would have helped a ton tonight. The Stats: He didn't score on 0-3 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 4 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal and 4 fouls in 23 minutes. He was a +3. The Action: He missed a wing three. Second Half: He missed an open corner three. Great D staying tight on his man over the top of the screen, then swiping the pass to the roller.

Goudelock -- -- Goudelock led the team in +/- tonight with the +6. Wish he could have gone longer into the fourth. There was a stretch there where he was in Mini Mamba mode. The Sixers didn't press him in the backcourt. We also set screens to help get him up court quicker. He had 7 points in his second-half stint -- a mix of spot up shooting, attacking the paint and scoring on iso. Defensively, he was having just as many problems with Williams as everyone else, so Barnes split duty on him. The Stats: He scored 9 points on 4-6 shooting (1-1 from three) to go with 2 boards, 1 assist, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 21 minutes. He was a +6. The Action: He missed an off-balance running baseline fade. He attacked off the inside-out sequence and swished a 15-footer. He missed an iso pull-up jumper. Second Half: His man sagged off to help Kobe, Goudelock waited for the pass and drained the open sideline three (making them pay the price). He curled into the lane off the dribble and hit his floater. Something new out of the bag of tricks, he iso'd and swished a turnaround from 11 feet out (Kobe liked that one). He stumbled trying to create with the shotclock about to expire and was tied up, turnover.

Kapono -- -- He had one of the nicer passing sequences of the game. We had the D scrambling to him, instead of shooting he attacked and lobbed to drew for a massive throwdown. That had the Philly crowd buzzing. Nothing else to report. The Stats: He didn't score on 0-1 shooting to go with 2 assists and 1 foul in 4 minutes. He was a -6. The Action: He missed an open wing jumper. He attacked off the three line as his man rushed out to him and lobbed to Drew for the huge slam. Second Half: He did not play in the second half.

Kuester -- -- With Brown suspended, Kuester took over the wheel. The Lakers opened on a quick 9-2 run to force a Sixer timeout after 4 minutes... He brought in Goudelock for Fisher and Murphy for Bynum with 5 minutes left and the Lakers up 1... Down 2, Kuester called a timeout after Williams hit several jumpers on both Goudelock and Fisher in that quarter. He brought in Barnes and Bynum. Barnes would get some time on Williams defensively... The Lakers led 24-21 after the first quarter... He started a Bynum, Murphy, Barnes, Kapono, Goudelock line up. They fell back by when he sat Bynum and Kapono for Kobe and Pau... He sat Goudelock for Fisher up by 4... He called a timeout with 3 minutes left up by 4 to set up a play after we went away from the instant double team Kobe was drawing... He called a 20-second timeout with 23 to go in the half to set up a play. Here is where you would sit Metta and bring in a shooter, but we didn't. Why don't we do this?... The Lakers led 50-46 at the half. Both teams shot 44 percent. The Lakers were 5-11 from three, the Sixers 5-10. The Laker bench was outscored 26-2 in the half. The Lakers had a 30-14 rebounding advantage, but they led in turnovers 8-2... The Sixers stopped guarding Metta and Fish and the Lakers offense ground to a halt in the third... Up by 1 and floundering, he sat Fisher for Goudelock and Bynum for Murphy with 4:18 left. They trailed by 4 a few seconds later, but would pull back even... The Lakers trailed 70-69 heading into the fourth... He started a Bynum, Murphy, Barnes, Kobe, Goudelock line up... A 10-2 Laker run early in the fourth forced a Sixer timeout with the Lakers up 5... Up 3, he sat Murphy for Pau midway through the quarter... Up 4, Fisher for Goudelock... The Lakers extended their lead to 86-79 with just over 4 minutes left to go. Then the wheels fell off as Williams killed the Lakers with his jumper on one end and our offense got predictable on the other by going iso. Ballgame... A 55-30 advantage on the glass was squandered by a 16-4 difference in turnovers. Both teams ended up shooting 81 FGAs... Kuester: "Our guys were out there to play their hearts out for Mike Brown. That's one of the things I recognized immediately was how focused they were, how they care about Mike and they wanted to do this for themselves and also for Mike."...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject:

"I'm just a caveman. I get confused by your bright lights. Yes, I left the rookie guard in all fourth quarter. Yes, I left Fish on the bench, but I'm not the head coach..."


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject:

btjunkie just got taken out and lakers lost.

sad day
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:34 pm    Post subject:

Thanks as always DB.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for the hard work DB. Don't know how you tough it out after these losses.

Another game where we desperately missed Blake, if only because he's been a better threat from 3 than Fish and he's by far the better defender. It might have helped out a lot to have a guy who can still fight over screens and stay closer to his man than Fish who just got fried out there. Like a lot of others have already posted, I really wish we gave Goudelock a shot down the stretch; he was having a pretty good game, and there was no way he could have been burned worse than Fisher was.

I don't want to get into the Kobe shooting thing too much. Obviously, he has a poor showing down the stretch, but I don't think that is all on him. I think the Lakers as a whole did way too much of looking to get the ball to him, often spending significant amounts of the shot clock doing so as opposed to just running plays. That's on the coaching staff and the other players.

This was just a devastating loss for me, because it's the second straight game where we had control of the game for about 90% of the game and we just blew it in a span of about five minutes. I figured the Jazz game to be about 50/50 in terms of a possible win, but this was a game I thought the Lakers had a lock on winning, and they were well on track to doing so before becoming unhinged to end the game. The negative production we're getting at the SF and PG positions is just killing us. MWP has been horrible. Barnes has had his good month to start the season and he's back to sucking it up on offense and defense again (EXACTLY like he did last season). Fisher is even older and players go around him or over him for wide open looks or easy scores so much it's just something I come to expect everytime he's in the game now; it also doesn't help that the only shot he seems capable of hitting is the foot on the 3pt line long two pointer and every other shot he gets is a disaster waiting to happen.

Only guy who was consistently awesome tonight was Andrew Bynum. Kobe was the second best player because of his hot start and how he parleyed the Sixers extreme attention to him afterwards into some nice scores for others, but a big knock on his game for when the Sixers stopped doubling him as hard and he just went ice cold. Pau gets an honorable mention for working hard, especially on the offensive glass but his jump shot has vanished. Goudelock was the only bright spot off the bench. Everyone else sucked major, major, major ass.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject:

Thanks. Let's win the next game.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:43 pm    Post subject:

Kobe Iso Attack = SMH
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject:

A great game til the last. Then a loss. The lakers need one more player that can score 10-20 points and can defend better than Fisher. Maybe Arenas would work. Another great writeup DB. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject:

Another blown game in the 4th. The Kobe iso, unfortunately, is the Lakers style. Not that it's a bad thing every time, it's just that we see it every time and the players now expect it every time. Thus, the team spends 10-15 seconds off the shot clock just to get Kobe the ball or they stand and watch him operate. Not that it's Kobe's fault, but it does emphasize the team's lack of another creator.

The production from the SFs is so bad these days, I'm starting to chant for Luke. Really, could he be any worse? Oh, wait...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:10 am    Post subject:

Klone_dd wrote:
Another blown game in the 4th. The Kobe iso, unfortunately, is the Lakers style. Not that it's a bad thing every time, it's just that we see it every time and the players now expect it every time. Thus, the team spends 10-15 seconds off the shot clock just to get Kobe the ball or they stand and watch him operate. Not that it's Kobe's fault, but it does emphasize the team's lack of another creator.

The production from the SFs is so bad these days, I'm starting to chant for Luke. Really, could he be any worse? Oh, wait...


Words just can't describe how I feel about this...

Thanks DB, you da man...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:02 am    Post subject:

Big three all have good (not great) games.
Bench was semi-productive (16 from Glock and Murphy).
We out rebound the other team by 25.
And we still lose????

Something has to change because if we cannot continue to lose like this. PG defense and SF productivity has to be addressed soon.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:09 am    Post subject:

Laker7 wrote:
Big three all have good (not great) games.
Bench was semi-productive (16 from Glock and Murphy).
We out rebound the other team by 25.
And we still lose????

Something has to change because if we cannot continue to lose like this. PG defense and SF productivity has to be addressed soon.


Fish and MWP are toast. Stick a fork in 'em management. Bite the bullet.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:14 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

Phili raised the defensive pressure on Kobe, particularly Iggy would played outstanding defense. The combo of having no offensive game scheme and Kobe accepting the defensive challenge by taking questionable shots will doom us in every fourth quarter situation. This ineptitude on offense was magnified on defense as they couldn't generate the stops. I don't care that if it is Kuester, the problem starts at the head coach. For all of Brown's BS about defense, he still hasn't the cojones to phase out Fish, or at least limit Fish to situations where it makes sense to use him (like mopping sweat off the floor). The Lakers had this game well under control with about 3 minutes-something left in the fourth quarter, when Kuester exercised the Brown political dictum of allowing Fish to finish.

We're at the point in the season when the coaching staff must have a coherent offensive scheme and that player rotations or substitution patterns are known. Yet it is still "give the ball to resident superstar and pray he bails me out" offense that we ridiculed in Cleveland; the only difference is that Kobe isn't 26 and he isn't backed by better defensive players.

It is time for Brown to huddle with Mitch and decide what are the objectives of this season. Are we rebuilding or are we making a championship run. If it is the former than sit the tired vets and try to develop the younger pieces, maybe even send one of our two remaining scouts to look at the D-League. If we're making a championship run then forget the Dwight Howard, Deron Williams pipe and use that TPE and picks to source some complimentary players. The strategic objective seems as muddled which leaves us with a 3 quality players, a young question mark (Goudelock), and two average bench players (Barnes, McRoberts).

We have a coach who is incapable of drawing up or enforcing an offensive scheme and players who cannot hit open shots or defend. Without intervention Kobe will wear out (44 minutes played); the only question is whether we survive the first round.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:45 am    Post subject:

Thanks for another incredibly detailed write up, Db.

One mistake, you said Bynum had 10 rebounds, I know he had at least 19.

Angry Pup, closing with Fisher goes back to Phil. The standing around iso finishes by Kobe also goes back to Phil. I have no doubt the alpha dog is calling the iso and there's not much Phil or Brown can do about it, at least not until fans prove they won't leave when ownership and coaches get firm with him about a new closing strategy. I wonder if the alpha dog has something to do with Fisher closing, too, because they go way back and he might be in denial about Fisher's age.

Father time has caught up with Mr. Fisher, and it's catching up with Kobe, too. That's why this ISO strategy doesn't work anymore. The sooner he can accept that the sooner they can hammer out some workable closing schemes.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject:

Very good stuff DB. Though I find it interesting that your objective criticism of Kobe's iso game doesn't incur the wrath of some of the posters here.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:23 am    Post subject:

Yes Rick, I'm aware that Phil closed with Fish, but Fish looked almost like an All Star compared to what we've seen this season. With Phil there was the understanding that Fish was out there to initiate a sideline triangle.

So let's go through some questions and answers:

Why is Fisher out there now with Brown or Kuestar? Is he needed to initiate an offense? No.

Is he out there because of his shooting? No, Goudelock is better.

Is he out there because the Lakers needed a "stabilizing vet influence"? No, we were in control of the game.

Is he out there for defense, as Brown made it a point with Jimmy that he'd make everyone accountable? No, he's awful on defense. Vet smarts cannot compensate for what nature has taken away.



In short, there is no reason for him to be out there. The fact that Phil used him last season is not an excuse as Fish isn't used to initiate our non-existent offensive scheme.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:01 am    Post subject:

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Thanks for another incredibly detailed write up, Db.

One mistake, you said Bynum had 10 rebounds, I know he had at least 19.

Angry Pup, closing with Fisher goes back to Phil. The standing around iso finishes by Kobe also goes back to Phil. I have no doubt the alpha dog is calling the iso and there's not much Phil or Brown can do about it, at least not until fans prove they won't leave when ownership and coaches get firm with him about a new closing strategy. I wonder if the alpha dog has something to do with Fisher closing, too, because they go way back and he might be in denial about Fisher's age.

Father time has caught up with Mr. Fisher, and it's catching up with Kobe, too. That's why this ISO strategy doesn't work anymore. The sooner he can accept that the sooner they can hammer out some workable closing schemes.


Yep, had a 20-20 game.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:41 am    Post subject:

AJLakerFan wrote:
Rick12322 wrote:
Thanks for another incredibly detailed write up, Db.

One mistake, you said Bynum had 10 rebounds, I know he had at least 19.

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Yep, had a 20-20 game.


fixed.

(btw, thanks for always posting DB!)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:28 am    Post subject:

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Yes Rick, I'm aware that Phil closed with Fish, but Fish looked almost like an All Star compared to what we've seen this season. With Phil there was the understanding that Fish was out there to initiate a sideline triangle.

So let's go through some questions and answers:

Why is Fisher out there now with Brown or Kuestar? Is he needed to initiate an offense? No.

Is he out there because of his shooting? No, Goudelock is better.

Is he out there because the Lakers needed a "stabilizing vet influence"? No, we were in control of the game.

Is he out there for defense, as Brown made it a point with Jimmy that he'd make everyone accountable? No, he's awful on defense. Vet smarts cannot compensate for what nature has taken away.



In short, there is no reason for him to be out there. The fact that Phil used him last season is not an excuse as Fish isn't used to initiate our non-existent offensive scheme.


Good point about him initiating the sideline. I think Fisher is done, I guess it's just a matter of Fisher pulling a Luke and admitting it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject:

Alpha wrote:
AJLakerFan wrote:
Rick12322 wrote:
Thanks for another incredibly detailed write up, Db.

One mistake, you said Bynum had 10 rebounds, I know he had at least 19.

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Yep, had a 20-20 game.


fixed.

(btw, thanks for always posting DB!)


Thanks. It won't be the last typo.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject:

angrypuppy wrote:
Yes Rick, I'm aware that Phil closed with Fish, but Fish looked almost like an All Star compared to what we've seen this season. With Phil there was the understanding that Fish was out there to initiate a sideline triangle.

So let's go through some questions and answers:

Why is Fisher out there now with Brown or Kuestar? Is he needed to initiate an offense? No.

Is he out there because of his shooting? No, Goudelock is better.

Is he out there because the Lakers needed a "stabilizing vet influence"? No, we were in control of the game.

Is he out there for defense, as Brown made it a point with Jimmy that he'd make everyone accountable? No, he's awful on defense. Vet smarts cannot compensate for what nature has taken away.



In short, there is no reason for him to be out there. The fact that Phil used him last season is not an excuse as Fish isn't used to initiate our non-existent offensive scheme.


Much as i love him and all he's done for us, when Blake gets back, it might be that time for Fish, where he takes a seat next to Luke and watches games.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject:

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I don't want to get into the Kobe shooting thing too much. Obviously, he has a poor showing down the stretch, but I don't think that is all on him. I think the Lakers as a whole did way too much of looking to get the ball to him, often spending significant amounts of the shot clock doing so as opposed to just running plays. That's on the coaching staff and the other players.


I really wanted to quote this part, because I agree with it a ton. We lost because we had players in bad positions trying to do things they aren't used to. Pau and Bynum are pretty good passers, but they shouldn't be expected to be able to stand at the three point line and get the ball to Kobe, while he is fighting a double team. We wasted so much time with nothing happening, while waiting for Kobe to get open enough to receive a pass, that he only had 8 seconds to make a move.

We aren't even playing traditional Kobe ball, which is to iso him on one side and clear out. That would be a huge improvement over what they were trying to do out there.

If they had run any semblance of normal offense, they likely could have gotten the ball to someone in a position to work. Instead, the whole team shut down.

Both this tendency, as well as putting our bigs in bad positions, has been a frequent occurrence under Mike Brown and is a key reason why our offense bogs down when a team puts any pressure on us.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject:

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If they had run any semblance of normal offense, they likely could have gotten the ball to someone in a position to work. Instead, the whole team shut down.

Both this tendency, as well as putting our bigs in bad positions, has been a frequent occurrence under Mike Brown and is a key reason why our offense bogs down when a team puts any pressure on us.

Our supposed shooters especially can't make shots under any pressure.
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