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I really wish Floyd had been born earlier and had fought in the Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns era. Then he would have gotten his ass beaten soundly, everyone would understand that he's merely somewhere between Wilfredo Benitez and Pernell Whitaker on the talent spectrum, and no one would care what he has to say.
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| 24 wrote: | | I really wish Floyd had been born earlier and had fought in the Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns era. Then he would have gotten his ass beaten soundly, everyone would understand that he's merely somewhere between Wilfredo Benitez and Pernell Whitaker on the talent spectrum, and no one would care what he has to say. |
I dont think he would have fought Hagler at 160. Hearns had too much power and the reach would have given him problems. Leonard would have been the best match up but Sugar probably would have got in that ass. |
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| PurpleAndGold24 wrote: |  Mayweather such a joke. And I hope he's going to fight Pacquiao. So Pac-man can beat the sh1t outtttt of him. |
you can be mad at floyd for what he said, but pac ain't beating floyd. real boxing fans know floyd will pick him apart.
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| doughboy90650 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | I really wish Floyd had been born earlier and had fought in the Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns era. Then he would have gotten his ass beaten soundly, everyone would understand that he's merely somewhere between Wilfredo Benitez and Pernell Whitaker on the talent spectrum, and no one would care what he has to say. |
I dont think he would have fought Hagler at 160. Hearns had too much power and the reach would have given him problems. Leonard would have been the best match up but Sugar probably would have got in that ass. |
Yeah, probably not Hagler, but Leonard would have destroyed him. That is, of course, if he was still alive after facing Duran, who would have scoffed at his counter punching.
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| icedwhite wrote: | | PurpleAndGold24 wrote: | | Mayweather such a joke. And I hope he's going to fight Pacquiao. So Pac-man can beat the sh1t outtttt of him. |
you can be mad at floyd for what he said, but pac ain't beating floyd. real boxing fans know floyd will pick him apart. |
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| 24 wrote: | | doughboy90650 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | I really wish Floyd had been born earlier and had fought in the Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns era. Then he would have gotten his ass beaten soundly, everyone would understand that he's merely somewhere between Wilfredo Benitez and Pernell Whitaker on the talent spectrum, and no one would care what he has to say. |
I dont think he would have fought Hagler at 160. Hearns had too much power and the reach would have given him problems. Leonard would have been the best match up but Sugar probably would have got in that ass. |
Yeah, probably not Hagler, but Leonard would have destroyed him. That is, of course, if he was still alive after facing Duran, who would have scoffed at his counter punching. |
I was thinking the same thing. Manos de Piedra would beg Floyd to fight him. Most people don't know from 1970-1979, Duran was one of the baddest fighters ever. |
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| doughboy90650 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | doughboy90650 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | I really wish Floyd had been born earlier and had fought in the Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns era. Then he would have gotten his ass beaten soundly, everyone would understand that he's merely somewhere between Wilfredo Benitez and Pernell Whitaker on the talent spectrum, and no one would care what he has to say. |
I dont think he would have fought Hagler at 160. Hearns had too much power and the reach would have given him problems. Leonard would have been the best match up but Sugar probably would have got in that ass. |
Yeah, probably not Hagler, but Leonard would have destroyed him. That is, of course, if he was still alive after facing Duran, who would have scoffed at his counter punching. |
I was thinking the same thing. Manos de Piedra would beg Floyd to fight him. Most people don't know from 1970-1979, Duran was one of the baddest fighters ever. |
Excellent skills, relentlessly stalked his foe down, great chin, and maybe the hardest hitting lightweight ever.
BTW, I was horrified when Leonard decided to fight him toe to toe (but Sugar did prove once and for all what a great chin he had in addition to all the other gifts).
Either guy just wastes Pretty Boy Floyd. While I don't want to get carried away, I wouldn't be surprised if Hearns knocked him the (bleep) out either...
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| 24 wrote: | | doughboy90650 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | doughboy90650 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | I really wish Floyd had been born earlier and had fought in the Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns era. Then he would have gotten his ass beaten soundly, everyone would understand that he's merely somewhere between Wilfredo Benitez and Pernell Whitaker on the talent spectrum, and no one would care what he has to say. |
I dont think he would have fought Hagler at 160. Hearns had too much power and the reach would have given him problems. Leonard would have been the best match up but Sugar probably would have got in that ass. |
Yeah, probably not Hagler, but Leonard would have destroyed him. That is, of course, if he was still alive after facing Duran, who would have scoffed at his counter punching. |
I was thinking the same thing. Manos de Piedra would beg Floyd to fight him. Most people don't know from 1970-1979, Duran was one of the baddest fighters ever. |
Excellent skills, relentlessly stalked his foe down, great chin, and maybe the hardest hitting lightweight ever.
BTW, I was horrified when Leonard decided to fight him toe to toe (but Sugar did prove once and for all what a great chin he had in addition to all the other gifts).
Either guy just wastes Pretty Boy Floyd. While I don't want to get carried away, I wouldn't be surprised if Hearns knocked him the (bleep) out either... |
Duran at 130 was Satan. Great beard and just unbelievable power. Heavyweight power in a 130 pounder. Sugar Ray's eye was about to give birth in that first fight and he obviously learned from that bout. Duran is easily top 10 but after the 2nd fight with Leonard, it went downhill quickly. Floyd couldn't mess with any of the Four Aces. |
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| Its a story because he was about to be cut from his 3rd NBA team this year, which would've probably made it very hard to be taken seriously afterwards, to getting playing time and made a starter with all star type numbers after 6 games. |
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | | He's actually right. I'd say it's 90% race, 9% New York, and 1% actual play. Look at Monta Ellis, he gets nowhere near the hype, though he dropped 48 points on the NBA leading Thunder the other night. |
It's a genuine shame that guys like you and Floyd are so consumed with Lin's race that you've missed entirely why this is a story in the first place.
Are you aware of Wang Zhizi? He played from 2000-2005. Remember him getting as much attention as Lin? How about Sun Yue, who played for us? What about Ha Seung-Jin? How about Yi Jianlian, who has played in the league since 07 and currently plays for Dallas? Asian people playing in the NBA is hardly a new phenomenon or a novelty act. The reason the Lin story is getting so much attention is because he was undrafted, cut by two teams, and he was about to be cut by his current team before he scored more points in his first couple starts than any player in history has. This is a big story because IT NEVER HAPPENS. Only in sports movies. Hell, most DRAFTED players never amount to anything. Can you name another undrafted player who went on to have success like this? Who was cut by multiple teams? There have been a number of undrafted players to go on and have success in the league (Ben Wallace comes to mind), but they've been role players. Lin is showing flashes of actual star potential. It doesn't help that his game is really fun to watch. Your failure to understand this story because all you see is his race is not a problem everyone has, and your assumptions aren't "obvious" to anyone who has been paying attention. |
You have no idea what you're talking about. Your post was filled with more assumptions about me than I can count.
First off, You are incredibly naive to think that he'd be receiving this much hype if he wasn't Asian. His play has a lot to do with it, but he's not doing anything that hasn't been done before. I give him credit, but don't fool yourself into thinking that race isn't driving the hype machine. Players have literally came from poverty, and became stars in the NBA, doesn't become a big story. If you swapped him with a black dude(where everything else was exactly the same), he wouldn't be receiving anywhere near the hype.
Secondly, all I see is race? Really? How did you arrive to that conclusion? I'm on the Lin bandwagon just as much as the next guy, but I'm not blind to the point where I can't see it for what it is. I give credit to his great play, but if you're asking me what's driving the hype train, I'll be real, it's clearly race. Keep your blinders on keep thinking it's about his background. He's not a poor kid who was raised in the projects of Watts, surrounded by gangs and thugs, raised by a deadbeat dad and a drunk for a mother. I respect him for overcoming his circumstances, but get real.
Now, race driving the hype train isn't a bad thing. Why does it have to be bad? He's an Asian-American NBA player, in a league that doesn't have any. He can be Jackie Robinson-super-lite, not just paving the way for other players of his ethnicity, but changing the way teams evaluate players, people like him that were looked over and never really given a chance. Not just in the NBA, but the NFL and MLB, all major sports. Stop being offended by people stating the obvious. It's not actually a bad thing at all. |
Wrong. All of what I posted is why.
You seem to be focused on one aspect. No one said it plays no part. You think it's the only part despite what everyone else feels about it |
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| ocho wrote: | | Well, I didn't think it was possible to literally ignore every single point I made in my previous post and not answer a single question asked. Well done? |
Look no further than your first reply to me.
| USCandLakers wrote: |
First off, You are incredibly naive to think that he'd be receiving this much hype if he wasn't Asian. His play has a lot to do with it, but he's not doing anything that hasn't been done before. |
| Quote: | | You mean like scoring more points in his first three starts than any other player EVER?? The record for most points held in their first three starts is held by Jeremy Lin. Not Michael Jordan. Not Kobe Bryant. Not LeBron James. A guy who was about 24 hours away from his 3rd pink slip in 2 years, who only started because of injuries to other players. You honestly don't think that's why this is a big deal? What do you see when this happens? That he's Asian. By the way, he very well could have expanded that record, but I was unable to find the stat now that he's started more games. |
Those records mean absolutely nothing to the hype train. No one is even mentioning that record, and that's the entire point. We're talking about the biggest reason why Lin is being hyped, and that's his race. His stats are nice, but they are nothing special when you consider what other players are doing, his background is nothing special when you consider where other players have come from, the biggest thing that separates him from those other players, is his race.
You are incredibly naive. You think that's why Lin is being hyped? Really? You have something to learn about the mainstream. His story is nice, but no one would know about his story if he wasn't doing what he's doing as an Asian-American in the NBA, playing for the New York Knicks. There have been players who have had better stories, players who went on to have big games in the NBA, and you don't see their face plastered over ESPN every single day. This isn't just exclusive to the NBA, Kurt Warner went from bagging groceries to being the Super Bowl MVP and future HOF, and he never got this kind of hype - in a league 3x as popular as the NBA.
| USCandLakers wrote: | | I give him credit, but don't fool yourself into thinking that race isn't driving the hype machine. Players have literally came from poverty, and became stars in the NBA, doesn't become a big story. If you swapped him with a black dude(where everything else was exactly the same), he wouldn't be receiving anywhere near the hype. |
| Quote: | | Ah now this is a dodge that would possibly trip up a 3rd grade debate club participant. Nobody has said Lin comes from poverty, or used his upbringing as a reason for giving him national media attention. Nobody has focused on his upbringing at all because....his upbringing isn't the story here. You just want to make it about that because it feeds into your argument that the only thing that matters here is race, race, race. This isn't about his upbringing, or his race. |
You were trying to make it all about his story, don't backtrack. My point was that his story isn't groundbreaking, and guys have had better stories and have overcome huge blocks and gone on to do good things, no publicity. We're talking about the hype here, he has a nice story, but it's being fueled by his ethnicity.
| Quote: | | The fact that you cited it as the driving force behind a story that has nothing to do with race. |
That's not all I see, but all I did was state the obvious. If you can't see that, then I advise you to take off your blinders and grow up, I live in the real world.
| Quote: | | At this point I can't tell if you're seriously just not familiar with the Lin story at all. You keep thinking it's about his childhood, and the connections to his race. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. It's the story of a guy who was facing his third cut in two years, who only got a shot because of injuries, and actually scored more than any star in NBA history. |
And you're trying to claim this story is driving the hype train, which is absolutely laughable. How are you not getting the point? It's not about his story, because you have guys across all the major sports who have overcome some major hurdles, backgrounds you can write a book about. But they don't get nearly as much publicity as this kid. I'm not left wondering why because my eyes aren't closed shut, I know how the world works, and more specifically, I know how sports work. Lin is not doing anything revolutionary on the basketball front, and the media doesn't take this story and run with it unless there is something that stands out above the rest - it's not his unlikely rise to the NBA stardom, it's not his current play, it's the fact that he's doing what he's doing, as an Asian.
That's what drives the hype.
| USCandLakers wrote: | | Now, race driving the hype train isn't a bad thing. Why does it have to be bad? He's an Asian-American NBA player, in a league that doesn't have any. He can be Jackie Robinson-super-lite, not just paving the way for other players of his ethnicity, but changing the way teams evaluate players, people like him that were looked over and never really given a chance. Not just in the NBA, but the NFL and MLB, all major sports. Stop being offended by people stating the obvious. It's not actually a bad thing at all. |
| Quote: | Ahh, this is the portion where you've spent the entire time talking about his race...but it's a good thing! I do give you credit for not including "I have tons of Asian friends!" in that sentence  |
How is it not a good thing? You haven't given me one good reason why it's not. Is this not good thing for the NBA? Is it not good for Asians across the country? Linsanity is inspiring, it's the feel-good story, but it's the story no one knows about unless he's Asian, and that isn't a bad thing at all. Average Joe on the street doesn't care about an NBA player scoring 30 points, but you have that average Joe on the street talking about Jeremy Lin, doing something that players do every day in the NBA. There is a reason for that, and only an extremely naive blind person could possibly arrive at the conclusion that it's because of how he got there.
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| ocho wrote: | Well, I didn't think it was possible to literally ignore every single point I made in my previous post and not answer a single question asked. Well done?
| USCandLakers wrote: |
First off, You are incredibly naive to think that he'd be receiving this much hype if he wasn't Asian. His play has a lot to do with it, but he's not doing anything that hasn't been done before. |
You mean like scoring more points in his first three starts than any other player EVER?? The record for most points held in their first three starts is held by Jeremy Lin. Not Michael Jordan. Not Kobe Bryant. Not LeBron James. A guy who was about 24 hours away from his 3rd pink slip in 2 years, who only started because of injuries to other players. You honestly don't think that's why this is a big deal? What do you see when this happens? That he's Asian. By the way, he very well could have expanded that record, but I was unable to find the stat now that he's started more games.
| USCandLakers wrote: | | I give him credit, but don't fool yourself into thinking that race isn't driving the hype machine. Players have literally came from poverty, and became stars in the NBA, doesn't become a big story. If you swapped him with a black dude(where everything else was exactly the same), he wouldn't be receiving anywhere near the hype. |
Ah now this is a dodge that would possibly trip up a 3rd grade debate club participant. Nobody has said Lin comes from poverty, or used his upbringing as a reason for giving him national media attention. Nobody has focused on his upbringing at all because....his upbringing isn't the story here. You just want to make it about that because it feeds into your argument that the only thing that matters here is race, race, race. This isn't about his upbringing, or his race.
| USCandLakers wrote: | | Secondly, all I see is race? Really? How did you arrive to that conclusion? |
The fact that you cited it as the driving force behind a story that has nothing to do with race.
| USCandLakers wrote: | | I give credit to his great play, but if you're asking me what's driving the hype train, I'll be real, it's clearly race. Keep your blinders on keep thinking it's about his background. He's not a poor kid who was raised in the projects of Watts, surrounded by gangs and thugs, raised by a deadbeat dad and a drunk for a mother. I respect him for overcoming his circumstances, but get real. |
At this point I can't tell if you're seriously just not familiar with the Lin story at all. You keep thinking it's about his childhood, and the connections to his race. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. It's the story of a guy who was facing his third cut in two years, who only got a shot because of injuries, and actually scored more than any star in NBA history.
| USCandLakers wrote: | | Now, race driving the hype train isn't a bad thing. Why does it have to be bad? He's an Asian-American NBA player, in a league that doesn't have any. He can be Jackie Robinson-super-lite, not just paving the way for other players of his ethnicity, but changing the way teams evaluate players, people like him that were looked over and never really given a chance. Not just in the NBA, but the NFL and MLB, all major sports. Stop being offended by people stating the obvious. It's not actually a bad thing at all. |
Ahh, this is the portion where you've spent the entire time talking about his race...but it's a good thing! I do give you credit for not including "I have tons of Asian friends!" in that sentence
By the way, Lin had 27 points, 11 assists, and the game winning 3 tonight after leading his team from 12 behind in the 4th quarter. Since this is nothing that hasn't been done before, can you please provide us with a list of players who were cut twice in two years who put up these numbers? Should be easy. Happens all the time. |
Didn't you see his example he used? Monta Ellis.
Yes, Monta Ellis scoring big is the same as this.
Yes, exactly the same. The only thing different is the race of the players involved.
He's already chosen to ignore every single one of those aspects and respond with one thing. It's his race!!! It's just...it just has to be!!!
How can you possibly argue with that? |
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| NO ONE has ever scored 48 points in a game, jonnybravo. This is definitely an apples to apples comparison and Ellis has been slighted. |
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Well I was going to go to bed as soon as the game was over, but I think I'll wait a while and see if Ocho responds.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Mayweather on Lin: "All the hype is because he's Asian" |
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| MvP24 wrote: | | Quote: | Floyd Mayweather is not going all Lin.
The outspoken boxer who once told rival Manny Pacquiao, a Filipino, to "make some sushi rolls and cook some rice" has retained the title of heavyweight champion of insensitivity by claiming New York Knicks point guard Jeremy Lin is getting national attention for his race rather than his game.
"Jeremy Lin is a good player," Mayweather tweeted Monday, "but all the hype is because he's Asian. Black players do what he does every night and don't get the same praise."
Black players outscore Kobe Bryant every night? Black players who went undrafted rack up at least 20 points and seven assists in each of their first four career starts? Black players go from D-League DNPs to leading the Knicks to five straight wins?
Yes, Lin being Asian is a big part of the story. He's the first American-born player of Taiwanese or Chinese descent to play in the NBA. That's different, and therefore newsworthy. There would probably also be a lot of hype if, say, a black golfer came out of Stanford and started winning golf majors. Or if, just hypothetically, two black sisters from Compton dominated the world of tennis.
But "Money" probably never thought of that.
Mayweather's comments are ignorant, but what's also disturbing is that there really aren't too many Asian voices to shout bigotry down. Jason Whitlock should have been fired for his awful joke about Lin's anatomy, but don't look for that to happen. What Floyd said isn't nearly as bad, but clearly the half-baked theories that demean Asian-Americans in this country are not as curtailed or chided as they should be. That's in part because there haven't been too many Asian voices in sports media. There haven't been too many respected Asian coaches in the major sports. And let's face it, there haven't been too many outspoken Asian superstars anywhere in American pop culture. Pacquiao, ironically, is one of the most celebrated Asian athletes of our time.
Maybe at some point he'll have a chance to reply to Floyd with his fists. |
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Floyd Mayweather once again proving why head injuries are a bad thing.
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| Canadian Laker wrote: | Best response I've read came from this guy:
https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_D_Antoni/status/169306105825083393
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Floyd Mayweather thinks Jeremy Lin is overrated, which is funny because Jeremy Lin has managed to be undefeated without ducking anybody."
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| USCandLakers wrote: | He's actually right. I'd say it's 90% race, 9% New York, and 1% actual play. Look at Monta Ellis, he gets nowhere near the hype, though he dropped 48 points on the NBA leading Thunder the other night. Give Lin credit for his play, but let's be honest, the hype machine is currently being driven by race, that's glaringly obvious. If it was a black player with the same Harvard history and same draft background and everything, he would be getting nowhere near the hype.
But it's not a problem for me. I've been on the Lin bandwagon ever since it started. #Linning!  |
More like 70.5% NY 29.5% Play and 0% race.
He's getting coverage because he rose from obscurity when he was on the verge of being cut. He's hardly the first Asian to be a play in the NBA, much less make an impact.
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mayweather is going to demand that Lin be drug tested before games now
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | He's actually right. I'd say it's 90% race, 9% New York, and 1% actual play. Look at Monta Ellis, he gets nowhere near the hype, though he dropped 48 points on the NBA leading Thunder the other night. Give Lin credit for his play, but let's be honest, the hype machine is currently being driven by race, that's glaringly obvious. If it was a black player with the same Harvard history and same draft background and everything, he would be getting nowhere near the hype.
But it's not a problem for me. I've been on the Lin bandwagon ever since it started. #Linning! |
More like 70.5% NY 29.5% Play and 0% race.
He's getting coverage because he rose from obscurity when he was on the verge of being cut. He's hardly the first Asian to be a play in the NBA, much less make an impact. |
Not to mention the fact that Monta is a known commodity who has been a regular starter for years now, averaged 25.5 a game for a season, is averaging around 24 a game over the last 3 seasons, and has scored big numbers in a game before.
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| Maybe Floyd should think about trying not to be a (bleep) ducking Manny and take the 50/50 split Manny wanted (which is beyond fair) before he starts calling anyone else out. Great boxer, classless fool. |
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mirak
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...only partially true, and needlessly divisive...Lin's getting hype because he's 1) good, 2) playing in NY, and 3) an Asian American in a sport with no other Asian Americans.
If Lin was only playing in NY as an Asian American, but not playing well, there would be no hype. |
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Raijin
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Here's Lin's averages. 26.8PTS, 8.5 AST, 3.8REB
and most importantly his previously 8-15 team
has gone 6-0 with him as a starter.
I'd say that's pretty impressive
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B1ackchi
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| Lin has delivered every game, so it's not hype. I will say that hes right now the hottest thing in the NBA because of two things. One is his race because the last great asian player we had in the NBA was Yao Ming. Lin puts all the stereotypes down about asian guards not making in the NBA. Second is his story of getting to the NBA. Going from summer league to team after team and being at the end of the bench to a starting PG. Combine these two things with his amazing play = A great story for the media. Everyone loves the underdog and even I'm rooting for him to succeed. |
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Conker
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What did Isaiah Thomas or Rodman said about Larry Bird?
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LakerJosh
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| 24 wrote: | | I really wish Floyd had been born earlier and had fought in the Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns era. Then he would have gotten his ass beaten soundly, everyone would understand that he's merely somewhere between Wilfredo Benitez and Pernell Whitaker on the talent spectrum, and no one would care what he has to say. |
Hell, I even think guys like Pernell Whitaker, Felix Trinidad, Julio César Chávez could have taken him in their primes at the lighter weights. Hagler was primarily a fighter at middleweight though.
Either way, real boxing fans know that he doesn't even rank in the top 10 all time at Welter let along all time PFP. |
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