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| 24 wrote: | | If you're using the TPE on Felton, you can't combine that with Blake. You'd have to do simultaneous trades and bring back between 80-125% (+100k) of Blake's contract. |
LA could deal Blake for Felton straight up using the TPE. It would just create another TPE for Blake of $4 million.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | If you're using the TPE on Felton, you can't combine that with Blake. You'd have to do simultaneous trades and bring back between 80-125% (+100k) of Blake's contract. |
LA could deal Blake for Felton straight up using the TPE. It would just create another TPE for Blake of $4 million. |
Not true. It would violate the 125% rule. If LA uses Blake for Felton, they have to add a piece and match salary. If they use the TPE, they can't send out any salary.
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that is correct. essentially you absorb felton with the tpe. that in turn generates a tpe for portland. pursuant to that portland will use their tpe on our very own blake.
blake for felton will be a huge gamble. high risk high reward move. blake is a solid backup whereas felton used to be compared to chris paul and deron williams. he was also electrifying when he was in NYK.
now ....... do however bear in mind that he is ALREADY 28 |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Yong wrote: | that is correct. essentially you absorb felton with the tpe. that in turn generates a tpe for portland. pursuant to that portland will use their tpe on our very own blake.
blake for felton will be a huge gamble. high risk high reward move. blake is a solid backup whereas felton used to be compared to chris paul and deron williams. he was also electrifying when he was in NYK.
now ....... do however bear in mind that he is ALREADY 28 |
I suspect the league would nix such a scenario as a violation of the spirit of the CBA...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | felton has been playing better so i'm a lot more open to taking a chance on him.
two things i would insist on though -
1. straight up felton for blake using our tpe - otherwise it'll cost us a pick, and i'm not sure i give up a 1st with blake for felton.
2. make sure we're prepared to pay him and keep him around long term in the offseason - in other words - probably make him our 1st and only player on the roster who's signed through 2014.
are we sure we want felton to be that player ?
perhaps, but if we're not - keep blake. |
If you're using the TPE on Felton, you can't combine that with Blake. You'd have to do simultaneous trades and bring back between 80-125% (+100k) of Blake's contract. |
no you won't.
felton for tpe.
blake for portland's newly created tpe.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | If you're using the TPE on Felton, you can't combine that with Blake. You'd have to do simultaneous trades and bring back between 80-125% (+100k) of Blake's contract. |
LA could deal Blake for Felton straight up using the TPE. It would just create another TPE for Blake of $4 million. |
Not true. It would violate the 125% rule. If LA uses Blake for Felton, they have to add a piece and match salary. If they use the TPE, they can't send out any salary. |
it is true.
and true about the "new" 4 mil tpe for the lakers as well.
portland will also have a 3.5 mil tpe leftover. |
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| davidse wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | If you're using the TPE on Felton, you can't combine that with Blake. You'd have to do simultaneous trades and bring back between 80-125% (+100k) of Blake's contract. |
LA could deal Blake for Felton straight up using the TPE. It would just create another TPE for Blake of $4 million. |
Not true. It would violate the 125% rule. If LA uses Blake for Felton, they have to add a piece and match salary. If they use the TPE, they can't send out any salary. |
it is true.
and true about the "new" 4 mil tpe as well. |
How do you figure? Even if you could trade Blake for Felton straight up, PDX's resulting TPE would be the difference between their salaries. And you can't trade them straight up.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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calculations look like this -
portland trades felton against lakers' tpe = portland creates a "felton" tpe worth 7.5 mil.
lakers trade blake against portland's new tpe = lakers create a "blake" tpe worth 4 mil.
portland uses their 7.5 mil tpe to abosrb blake = portland is left with a 3.5 mil tpe.
bottom line for both teams -
lakers use odom tpe to trade blake for felton and create a 4 mil tpe
(and have a 1.4 mil tpe leftover from odom that's basicaly meaningless)
portland trades felton for blake and create a 3.5 mil tpe |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| This would easily be the most underwhelming move we could make. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:48 am Post subject: |
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I really wish we do NOT move Blake!!! Felton is stinking it up in Portland, what makes the lakers thinks he will suddenly turn it around? Go after Sessions/Arenas
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Might as well do this deal.
I don't think Sessions will be had by the Lakers for whatever reason.
Possibly Gilbert not trying to contribute to LA's success.
Felton does still have more upside than Blake and as posted earlier, he actually does things neither Blake or Fisher can do, drive and pass like a regular PG should. He's hardly ideal but still better.
Felton has probably never been around more quality people than on the Lakers before.
If he can't get motivated by being on the Lakers with the right pieces to feed the ball to(NY and the rest don't count), then he has no hope.
Let's do this if that's all that is going to get done.
Seeya Blake.
Bye.
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| davidse wrote: | calculations look like this -
portland trades felton against lakers' tpe = portland creates a "felton" tpe worth 7.5 mil.
lakers trade blake against portland's new tpe = lakers create a "blake" tpe worth 4 mil.
portland uses their 7.5 mil tpe to abosrb blake = portland is left with a 3.5 mil tpe.
bottom line for both teams -
lakers use odom tpe to trade blake for felton and create a 4 mil tpe
(and have a 1.4 mil tpe leftover from odom that's basicaly meaningless)
portland trades felton for blake and create a 3.5 mil tpe |
That's a very sound move IMO if the team does that. That way the team gets Felton and still retains a 5.5 mil TPE that they can pocket or use in the offseason (unlikely). It would be a bit crowded with Fisher, Blake, Glock, and Felton.
the only concern is the lack of a 2 guard, as Blake was often paired with Glock as an undersized backcourt, and guarded the 2. Felton is too small for that, and I don't know how enthused I would be with a Felton and Fisher (at the 2) or Felton and Glock backcourt.
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On NBA tonight Broussard say the lakers are talking to Portland about Crawford
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crawford would solve our lack of bench and really help out offensively..
however what his price? i hear alot of teams are interested in him
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| rebirth wrote: | | On NBA tonight Broussard say the lakers are talking to Portland about Crawford |
With or without Felton? |
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| rafter84 wrote: | | rebirth wrote: | | On NBA tonight Broussard say the lakers are talking to Portland about Crawford |
With or without Felton? |
Pau for LMA |
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| LMA hates the lakers. I mean he really hates the lakers. Did I say LMA hates the lakers? |
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| bodyrock wrote: | | LMA hates the lakers. I mean he really hates the lakers. Did I say LMA hates the lakers? |
and the lakers hate him..... Honestly i'd hate to have that guy on our team more than anyone in the nba
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| stojan wrote: | | bodyrock wrote: | | LMA hates the lakers. I mean he really hates the lakers. Did I say LMA hates the lakers? |
and the lakers hate him..... Honestly i'd hate to have that guy on our team more than anyone in the nba |
cause all he does is shoot 20 foot jumpers? haha |
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| bodyrock wrote: | | LMA hates the lakers. I mean he really hates the lakers. Did I say LMA hates the lakers? |
When did LMA say that? |
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| Lak3rs1987 wrote: | | bodyrock wrote: | | LMA hates the lakers. I mean he really hates the lakers. Did I say LMA hates the lakers? |
When did LMA say that? |
you dont watch Lakers v portland games?
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| rafter84 wrote: | | rebirth wrote: | | On NBA tonight Broussard say the lakers are talking to Portland about Crawford |
With or without Felton? |
He did not mention Felton at all. Said everyone on the portland roster except Batoon and Aldridge is avail.
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| Lak3rs1987 wrote: | | bodyrock wrote: | | LMA hates the lakers. I mean he really hates the lakers. Did I say LMA hates the lakers? |
When did LMA say that? |
He said it during a locker room interview, he wrote about it on his blogs back then.
This was a direct quote if I remember them correctly:
"I mean I really hate the lakers"- lma
"I just hate the lakers"-lma
"I just can't stand them" -lma
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I've followed Raymond's career somewhat and he's a backup PG at best. He's not all that, and I don't understand why he garners so much hype. If we get him, you're going be disappointed if your expectations are too high. He's certainly an upgrade over Fisher (quickness), and he's just as durable/dependable as Fisher (doesn't miss a lot of games), but his shooting is slightly better than Rondo's. Opponents typically didn't respect his shot.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:00 am Post subject: |
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So, essentially, it's Odom and Blake for Felton? Yuck.
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