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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject:
So now that Sandusky is finally voted guilty, let's predict the title of the semi-biographical movie which will be released in 2014:
From Penn State to State Penn: The Jerry Sandusky Story
Starring:
Christopher Plummer as Jerry Sandusky
Martin Sheen as Joe Paterno
Mark Ruffalo as the Lead Defense Attorney
Russell Crowe as the Prosecutor
Justin Bieber as Accuser #1
Synopsis: Jerry Sandusky is a man who, through his work as Defensive Coordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions, touched countless children, both figuratively and literally. Soon, his aberrant fetish overshadows his work and charity efforts, and he faces deep trouble and scrutiny. Will Sandusky escape unscathed like countless members of the Catholic clergy, or will this once legendary coach fall to pieces? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
Sandusky has seen the last of freedom. He'll leave this realm incarcerated. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
But then there's the flip side, what if the jury voted against Sandusky so as not to appear biased? What if they thought a guilty verdict would put things to rest to never be spoken again? You've seen the backlash on juries after cases like the Anthony one. Maybe they just didn't want that.
Jerry Sandusky faces 442 years in prison after being found guilty on 45 of 48 counts of child sex abuse.
If only they could find a way to keep him alive to serve all 442 years . . . while getting brutally sodomized by a series of cellmates.
The problem is that guy may actually enjoy that, the sick (bleep). Real justice would be not giving him protective custody and putting him in general population.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject:
XTN wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Kobe2Bynum08 wrote:
Jerry Sandusky faces 442 years in prison after being found guilty on 45 of 48 counts of child sex abuse.
If only they could find a way to keep him alive to serve all 442 years . . . while getting brutally sodomized by a series of cellmates.
The problem is that guy may actually enjoy that, the sick (bleep). Real justice would be not giving him protective custody and putting him in general population.
That's my point. He's not going to enjoy prison justice. It's not going to be the same being the cell-(bleep) as it was the sick old man abusing kids. Nor will it be enjoyable to get the Jeffrey Dahmer mop handle death sentence.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject:
rwongega wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
But then there's the flip side, what if the jury voted against Sandusky so as not to appear biased? What if they thought a guilty verdict would put things to rest to never be spoken again? You've seen the backlash on juries after cases like the Anthony one. Maybe they just didn't want that.
I think a collection of jurors saw a creepy old perv for what he was. A pedophile so engrossed in his perversion that even when questioned about it, he couldn't even come up with a cover story and spoke in a way that horrifyingly was even worse than an outright confession.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
rwongega wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
But then there's the flip side, what if the jury voted against Sandusky so as not to appear biased? What if they thought a guilty verdict would put things to rest to never be spoken again? You've seen the backlash on juries after cases like the Anthony one. Maybe they just didn't want that.
I think a collection of jurors saw a creepy old perv for what he was. A pedophile so engrossed in his perversion that even when questioned about it, he couldn't even come up with a cover story and spoke in a way that horrifyingly was even worse than an outright confession.
"Are you sexually attracted to young people?"
"I enjoy young people... I enjoy being around them... But sexually attracted? I wouldn't say sexually." _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
rwongega wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
But then there's the flip side, what if the jury voted against Sandusky so as not to appear biased? What if they thought a guilty verdict would put things to rest to never be spoken again? You've seen the backlash on juries after cases like the Anthony one. Maybe they just didn't want that.
I think a collection of jurors saw a creepy old perv for what he was. A pedophile so engrossed in his perversion that even when questioned about it, he couldn't even come up with a cover story and spoke in a way that horrifyingly was even worse than an outright confession.
"Are you sexually attracted to young people?"
"I enjoy young people... I enjoy being around them... But sexually attracted? I wouldn't say sexually."
That wasn't even the worst of it. The excerpts that came out recently were the really horrifying comments.
He basically said, "What about the hundreds of kids I didn't molest? What do they say?"
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
rwongega wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
But then there's the flip side, what if the jury voted against Sandusky so as not to appear biased? What if they thought a guilty verdict would put things to rest to never be spoken again? You've seen the backlash on juries after cases like the Anthony one. Maybe they just didn't want that.
I think a collection of jurors saw a creepy old perv for what he was. A pedophile so engrossed in his perversion that even when questioned about it, he couldn't even come up with a cover story and spoke in a way that horrifyingly was even worse than an outright confession.
"Are you sexually attracted to young people?"
"I enjoy young people... I enjoy being around them... But sexually attracted? I wouldn't say sexually."
That wasn't even the worst of it. The excerpts that came out recently were the really horrifying comments.
He basically said, "What about the hundreds of kids I didn't molest? What do they say?"
This man needs to rot in the deepest corners of hell. Now, he's trying to appeal, he has no chance. Even his son was going to testify against him. Some people just deserve to suffer. I know I shouldn't pray suffering on anyone, but the thoughts of those poor boys being sodomized and the "clapping" noise, and how they were poor disadvantaged youths makes me want this man to suffer and suffer. I'm glad he got guilty, just wish he would get more.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:32 am Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
rwongega wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
But then there's the flip side, what if the jury voted against Sandusky so as not to appear biased? What if they thought a guilty verdict would put things to rest to never be spoken again? You've seen the backlash on juries after cases like the Anthony one. Maybe they just didn't want that.
I think a collection of jurors saw a creepy old perv for what he was. A pedophile so engrossed in his perversion that even when questioned about it, he couldn't even come up with a cover story and spoke in a way that horrifyingly was even worse than an outright confession.
"Are you sexually attracted to young people?"
"I enjoy young people... I enjoy being around them... But sexually attracted? I wouldn't say sexually."
That wasn't even the worst of it. The excerpts that came out recently were the really horrifying comments.
He basically said, "What about the hundreds of kids I didn't molest? What do they say?"
I think his point was that since the majority of people he worked with didn't claim he molested them, that therefore means that he molested nobody. It was a huge logical fallacy. Basically the equivalent of saying: "What about all of those people I didn't murder? I can't be a murderer when there's only ten people I allegedly murdered."
The defense was trying to claim that the claims were financially motivated. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:22 am Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
rwongega wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
jodeke wrote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury.
They've reached a verdict. If the jury had hung, we'd be seeing different procedures.
I'll concede to being wrong, to which I happily concede.
I thought maybe the Penn State aura would intercede. Glad to see those on the panel disregarded the university good name in favor of justice for the victims.
Sandusky's lawyers were relying on the Penn State alumni. Counted on them to intercede in Jerry's behalf. That was their only hope. Turned out to be fruitless.
Quote:
I hope you're right. I've convicted Sandusky. I think the court of public opinion has also. Maybe some of the alumni will too.
I still tilt toward a hung jury
.
But then there's the flip side, what if the jury voted against Sandusky so as not to appear biased? What if they thought a guilty verdict would put things to rest to never be spoken again? You've seen the backlash on juries after cases like the Anthony one. Maybe they just didn't want that.
I think a collection of jurors saw a creepy old perv for what he was. A pedophile so engrossed in his perversion that even when questioned about it, he couldn't even come up with a cover story and spoke in a way that horrifyingly was even worse than an outright confession.
"Are you sexually attracted to young people?"
"I enjoy young people... I enjoy being around them... But sexually attracted? I wouldn't say sexually."
That wasn't even the worst of it. The excerpts that came out recently were the really horrifying comments.
He basically said, "What about the hundreds of kids I didn't molest? What do they say?"
I think his point was that since the majority of people he worked with didn't claim he molested them, that therefore means that he molested nobody. It was a huge logical fallacy. Basically the equivalent of saying: "What about all of those people I didn't murder? I can't be a murderer when there's only ten people I allegedly murdered."
The defense was trying to claim that the claims were financially motivated.
I know what he was trying to say. But in doing so he made it clear he had molested some kids, and he could be commended because he really helped the ones he didn't molest .
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:07 am Post subject:
Keep in mind, people. We're not done here. There's still the matter of Penn State and the 2 officials that will be facing trial for perjury. Now normally, perjury cases draw little interest. But this is going to be real interesting cause the university is up against it. _________________ So glad we gave you your flowers while you were here, Kobe.
Jerry Sandusky was convicted of 45 counts of child sexual abuse Friday night and faces spending the rest of his life in state prison. His attorney said he would appeal the verdict.
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Amendola said he believed Sandusky had legitimate grounds for appeal, saying his client had "an uphill battle" because of the extensive pretrial publicity.
I'm not versed on the appeal process. Do the courts have to grant an appeal motion? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Jerry Sandusky was convicted of 45 counts of child sexual abuse Friday night and faces spending the rest of his life in state prison. His attorney said he would appeal the verdict.
Quote:
Amendola said he believed Sandusky had legitimate grounds for appeal, saying his client had "an uphill battle" because of the extensive pretrial publicity.
I'm not versed on the appeal process. Do the courts have to grant an appeal motion?
No. Overturning a verdict is very difficult (next to impossible), even under the most favorable of circumstances for the defendant. The evidence has to be overwhelming. Most common reasons for appeals being granted:
1. Procedural errors and it must be egregious (i.e. jurors proven to have considered or discussed amongst themselves or to others evidence not presented at trial; bad or lack of a search warrant, exculpatory evidence not turned over to the defense, etc). There has to be a clear and fundamental violation of the defendant's constitutional rights.
2. Brand new evidence not available when the original trial took place (i.e. all the rape/murder exonerations that have taken place over the last 20 years...those appeals were granted because the evidence to clear the defendant wasn't available at the time of trial). _________________ So glad we gave you your flowers while you were here, Kobe.
one good thing about this whole Sandusky case, well the only good thing is it took coverage away from the non-stop LeBron/Heat parade BSPN originally lined up. oh wait, Heat is back on the front page again.
Jerry Sandusky was convicted of 45 counts of child sexual abuse Friday night and faces spending the rest of his life in state prison. His attorney said he would appeal the verdict.
Quote:
Amendola said he believed Sandusky had legitimate grounds for appeal, saying his client had "an uphill battle" because of the extensive pretrial publicity.
I'm not versed on the appeal process. Do the courts have to grant an appeal motion?
No. Overturning a verdict is very difficult (next to impossible), even under the most favorable of circumstances for the defendant. The evidence has to be overwhelming. Most common reasons for appeals being granted:
1. Procedural errors and it must be egregious (i.e. jurors proven to have considered or discussed amongst themselves or to others evidence not presented at trial; bad or lack of a search warrant, exculpatory evidence not turned over to the defense, etc). There has to be a clear and fundamental violation of the defendant's constitutional rights.
2. Brand new evidence not available when the original trial took place (i.e. all the rape/murder exonerations that have taken place over the last 20 years...those appeals were granted because the evidence to clear the defendant wasn't available at the time of trial).
Thanks hoops. I'm familiar with the options you sited.
The defense is filing on questionable court decisions. On those grounds, do you think a appeal hearing will be granted? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject:
Something tells me that Sandusky is going to have an epiphany about showers in the near future... _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
exculpatory evidence not turned over to the defense, etc). There has to be a clear and fundamental violation of the defendant's constitutional rights.
My memory could be wrong, but iirc, the Kobe prosecutors started dealing right after it was discovered that they didn't turn over their expert witness' conclusions on the medical evidence (Dr. Baden). The conclusion didn't jibe with the charge. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
Is it possible to convict someone on hearsay? There really is no physical evidence, and it took years for their charges and kids to come forward.
I know I'll get a lot of heat, but in my mind that gives me reasonable doubt.
Hearsay...probably not. But that's not what this is. Hearsay is testifying to what someone else told you. What we have in this trial is DIRECT TESTIMONY. These young men are testifying to what happened directly to them. And direct testimony can absolutely convict someone in a court of law.
For that reason, I don't understand why the defense didn't have Sandusky to the stand.
I believe Sandusky did what is alleged, and I am not shocked at all by their verdict. He convicted long before this trial started imo.
Did you watch the RockCenter interview with Bob Costas?? That's why he didn't testify.
Yes and I did, and I agree it came across as creepy and just plain weird. It's obvious to me that Sandusky is mentally ill, and needs help though.
And unlike most of LG, I'm not going to take pleasure in Sandusky's suffering in a prison.
How are you not going to take pleasure in that SOB rotting in prison. I'm only disappointed that he didn't get the chair.
Penn State's football program should be shut down, Beaver Stadium should be torn down.
People there have lost all perspective of right and wrong and the continued idolization of the ultimate hypocrite, Joe Paterno, is a sick joke.
Enough already, hit them where it hurts....take away their beloved football program forever.
yeah its pretty easy to run a clean program when you have the president covering up for your pedophile asst. coach (and probably long time good friend.)
You might even say Joe Pa and the administrative staff were worse than Sandusky by covering up for him. I mean this guy obviously can't stop himself from doing these despicable acts and on some level probably doesn't even think he is doing wrong. In the end he is a sick (bleep) and will get what he deserves.
But Paterno, along with Spangler and all were even worse in my opinion because they covered up for him and enabled him just so it wouldn't hurt their recruiting class or screw with their TV ratings. These are real scumbags and I for one don't mourn Paterno's passing.
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