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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:36 am    Post subject:

The movie would have been better without Wonder Woman and Doomsday. Cast a better Luthor and have him create Metallo. Have John Corben be a civilian that was critically wounded during the Man of Steel fight (easily could have went that direction with the guy that lost his legs). Focus more on the story and character development. Flesh out Batman and Superman coming to an understanding better while they team up to take down a Kryptonite powered Metallo. Much less movie bloat and could have stream lined the story.
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The movie would have been better without Wonder Woman and Doomsday. Cast a better Luthor and have him create Metallo. Have John Corben be a civilian that was critically wounded during the Man of Steel fight (easily could have went that direction with the guy that lost his legs). Focus more on the story and character development. Flesh out Batman and Superman coming to an understanding better while they team up to take down a Kryptonite powered Metallo. Much less movie bloat and could have stream lined the story.




This is the best suggestion I've heard yet!

Kudos! That would have been epic
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The movie would have been better without Wonder Woman and Doomsday. Cast a better Luthor and have him create Metallo. Have John Corben be a civilian that was critically wounded during the Man of Steel fight (easily could have went that direction with the guy that lost his legs). Focus more on the story and character development. Flesh out Batman and Superman coming to an understanding better while they team up to take down a Kryptonite powered Metallo. Much less movie bloat and could have stream lined the story.




This is the best suggestion I've heard yet!

Kudos! That would have been epic


I agree. Plus, put in a better director and cast an actual actress for WW in a future film and WB would be in a much better position.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:20 am    Post subject:

Wonder Woman was great, possibly the best part of the movie.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:49 am    Post subject:

I enjoyed the movie. I really don't mind Snyder's directing/style, it's not bad, just different.

In my opinion, this movie was far more entertaining than Age of Ultron.
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The movie would have been better without Wonder Woman and Doomsday. Cast a better Luthor and have him create Metallo. Have John Corben be a civilian that was critically wounded during the Man of Steel fight (easily could have went that direction with the guy that lost his legs). Focus more on the story and character development. Flesh out Batman and Superman coming to an understanding better while they team up to take down a Kryptonite powered Metallo. Much less movie bloat and could have stream lined the story.


But the whole point of the movie was to get past all the origin story fluff and get right to Justice League. We know Batman, we know Superman, we know they team up despite differences, so why hold our hand through all of that to appease comic book readers? It's a stylistic choice, hence why the entire story of Batman Begins was told in the first minute and a half. I for one am glad that we don't have to wait several years for the Justice League film.
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The movie would have been better without Wonder Woman and Doomsday. Cast a better Luthor and have him create Metallo. Have John Corben be a civilian that was critically wounded during the Man of Steel fight (easily could have went that direction with the guy that lost his legs). Focus more on the story and character development. Flesh out Batman and Superman coming to an understanding better while they team up to take down a Kryptonite powered Metallo. Much less movie bloat and could have stream lined the story.


But the whole point of the movie was to get past all the origin story fluff and get right to Justice League. We know Batman, we know Superman, we know they team up despite differences, so why hold our hand through all of that to appease comic book readers? It's a stylistic choice, hence why the entire story of Batman Begins was told in the first minute and a half. I for one am glad that we don't have to wait several years for the Justice League film.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:59 am    Post subject:

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I enjoyed the movie. I really don't mind Snyder's directing/style, it's not bad, just different.

In my opinion, this movie was far more entertaining than Age of Ultron.


There's just too big of an imbalance going on. The battle scenes are unbelievably huge and almost comically over the top but are placed within a story that is tempered to be so serious and dramatically dark. But then it includes an Eisenberg performance that adds to the unintended comedic undertones, almost reminiscent of Jim Carey's Joker.

Affleck was much better than anticipated and they made Wonder Woman look legit. But for all of the over-the-topness of the Snyder scope, the best fight sequence was the solo one featuring Batman vs. the Luthor thugs.

Holly Hunt did a great job. The Superman story was almost distracting, save for her.

Too much, in many ways, going on. It's a time burning film.
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D'Alphalo wrote:
Freakout wrote:
The movie would have been better without Wonder Woman and Doomsday. Cast a better Luthor and have him create Metallo. Have John Corben be a civilian that was critically wounded during the Man of Steel fight (easily could have went that direction with the guy that lost his legs). Focus more on the story and character development. Flesh out Batman and Superman coming to an understanding better while they team up to take down a Kryptonite powered Metallo. Much less movie bloat and could have stream lined the story.


But the whole point of the movie was to get past all the origin story fluff and get right to Justice League. We know Batman, we know Superman, we know they team up despite differences, so why hold our hand through all of that to appease comic book readers? It's a stylistic choice, hence why the entire story of Batman Begins was told in the first minute and a half. I for one am glad that we don't have to wait several years for the Justice League film.


If that were the case they wouldn't have spent 20 min on a Superman death/funeral montage when we all know he isn't dead
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:14 pm    Post subject:

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D'Alphalo wrote:
I enjoyed the movie. I really don't mind Snyder's directing/style, it's not bad, just different.

In my opinion, this movie was far more entertaining than Age of Ultron.


There's just too big of an imbalance going on. The battle scenes are unbelievably huge and almost comically over the top but are placed within a story that is tempered to be so serious and dramatically dark. But then it includes an Eisenberg performance that adds to the unintended comedic undertones, almost reminiscent of Jim Carey's Joker.

Affleck was much better than anticipated and they made Wonder Woman look legit. But for all of the over-the-topness of the Snyder scope, the best fight sequence was the solo one featuring Batman vs. the Luthor thugs.

Holly Hunt did a great job. The Superman story was almost distracting, save for her.

Too much, in many ways, going on. It's a time burning film.


Clearly you've never read a comic book or seen any of the animated tv shows or movies. Over the top action sequences are vital to comic books and this movie captures that aspect better than any other CBM. The action scenes were 10/10 and exactly how a comic fight should be depicted on screen.
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http://io9.gizmodo.com/batman-v-superman-spoiler-faq-of-justice-1767720335

This does a pretty good job breaking down the many problems with the movie.
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http://io9.gizmodo.com/batman-v-superman-spoiler-faq-of-justice-1767720335

This does a pretty good job breaking down the many problems with the movie.


So because it's dark it's dull, and because it's stylistically diametrically opposed to traditional portrayals of Superman and Batman that cater to children, it's an abomination? Sorry I don't get it...that article's criticisms remind me of critiques of Game of Thrones' tendency to kill off all the "good" characters. I don't see why it's so wrong to have superhero movies that break the mold a bit.
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It's an abomination because it made zero sense. It's basically a porno, except instead of characters thrown into extremely contrived situations for sex for no real reason, it's characters thrown into extremely contrived situations for violence for no real reason. It's great spectacle, but a horrible movie.

Edit: I didn't really think it was an abomination. I don't regret going to watch it and I had fun (though I did start checking my watch and wondering how much longer it was going to be halfway through). It just wasn't a good movie. Standard throwaway action flick, watch it for the spectacle and that's it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:25 pm    Post subject:

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Gimme_the_rock wrote:
D'Alphalo wrote:
I enjoyed the movie. I really don't mind Snyder's directing/style, it's not bad, just different.

In my opinion, this movie was far more entertaining than Age of Ultron.


There's just too big of an imbalance going on. The battle scenes are unbelievably huge and almost comically over the top but are placed within a story that is tempered to be so serious and dramatically dark. But then it includes an Eisenberg performance that adds to the unintended comedic undertones, almost reminiscent of Jim Carey's Joker.

Affleck was much better than anticipated and they made Wonder Woman look legit. But for all of the over-the-topness of the Snyder scope, the best fight sequence was the solo one featuring Batman vs. the Luthor thugs.

Holly Hunt did a great job. The Superman story was almost distracting, save for her.

Too much, in many ways, going on. It's a time burning film.


Clearly you've never read a comic book or seen any of the animated tv shows or movies. Over the top action sequences are vital to comic books and this movie captures that aspect better than any other CBM. The action scenes were 10/10 and exactly how a comic fight should be depicted on screen.


After MOS end fight, the Doomsday fight which was epic in the comic book was really brief. And no civilians died. It was a big let down after a long buildup in the movie.

The movie was a buildup for its hype, but its a poorly written movie. I love MOS, was really disappointed in this.
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Eisenberg was the weakest part of the movie. I didnt like his autistic portrayal of Lex. Had Bryan Cranston been in that role it would have boosted it's critics score tremendously.


There were several lines in the movie that say he is the son of Lex Luthor. Also lots of Easter eggs hinting that this new joker is Robin which also ties into another comic storyline. OK I'm done.

Yes 22 it feel poorly stitched together and crammed together to tell too many stories but I think that's the point. The were storylines like Lois and the bullet and some of the nightmare scene's that could have been cut but then again it "dawn of Justice" so maybe it will make more sense as the pieces come together? Idk but I still enjoyed it and would still recommend it.
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lakerjoshua wrote:
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Eisenberg was the weakest part of the movie. I didnt like his autistic portrayal of Lex. Had Bryan Cranston been in that role it would have boosted it's critics score tremendously.


There were several lines in the movie that say he is the son of Lex Luthor. Also lots of Easter eggs hinting that this new joker is Robin which also ties into another comic storyline. OK I'm done.

Yes 22 it feel poorly stitched together and crammed together to tell too many stories but I think that's the point. The were storylines like Lois and the bullet and some of the nightmare scene's that could have been cut but then again it "dawn of Justice" so maybe it will make more sense as the pieces come together? Idk but I still enjoyed it and would still recommend it.


I got those hints at it but I was hoping they wouldn't go that route because the original Lex never met Superman/Clark Kent in this universe. Even as Lex's son it was still a weak character and mediocre acting.

As for the Robin being the Joker that is a fan theory as of now going off the suit in BvS and Leto's pics as Joker. I'm still not sold on it although it could be an interesting storyline. I was hoping that the Affleck solo Batman film would be the Red Hood story though.
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lakerjoshua wrote:
Deathstroke wrote:
Eisenberg was the weakest part of the movie. I didnt like his autistic portrayal of Lex. Had Bryan Cranston been in that role it would have boosted it's critics score tremendously.


There were several lines in the movie that say he is the son of Lex Luthor. Also lots of Easter eggs hinting that this new joker is Robin which also ties into another comic storyline. OK I'm done.

Yes 22 it feel poorly stitched together and crammed together to tell too many stories but I think that's the point. The were storylines like Lois and the bullet and some of the nightmare scene's that could have been cut but then again it "dawn of Justice" so maybe it will make more sense as the pieces come together? Idk but I still enjoyed it and would still recommend it.


Wait. Did I miss that part? That would awesome if Jason becomes the Joker
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ksmgf wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
Deathstroke wrote:
Eisenberg was the weakest part of the movie. I didnt like his autistic portrayal of Lex. Had Bryan Cranston been in that role it would have boosted it's critics score tremendously.


There were several lines in the movie that say he is the son of Lex Luthor. Also lots of Easter eggs hinting that this new joker is Robin which also ties into another comic storyline. OK I'm done.

Yes 22 it feel poorly stitched together and crammed together to tell too many stories but I think that's the point. The were storylines like Lois and the bullet and some of the nightmare scene's that could have been cut but then again it "dawn of Justice" so maybe it will make more sense as the pieces come together? Idk but I still enjoyed it and would still recommend it.


Wait. Did I miss that part? That would awesome if Jason becomes the Joker


The only thing that keeps that theory together is the Robin suit with Joker writing on it and Jared Leto's tattoos/body pics for Suicide Squad. I personally don't think that'll be the direction they go.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Chances-Joker-Actually-Turns-Out-Robin-77687.html
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lakerjoshua wrote:
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Eisenberg was the weakest part of the movie. I didnt like his autistic portrayal of Lex. Had Bryan Cranston been in that role it would have boosted it's critics score tremendously.


There were several lines in the movie that say he is the son of Lex Luthor. Also lots of Easter eggs hinting that this new joker is Robin which also ties into another comic storyline. OK I'm done.

Yes 22 it feel poorly stitched together and crammed together to tell too many stories but I think that's the point. The were storylines like Lois and the bullet and some of the nightmare scene's that could have been cut but then again it "dawn of Justice" so maybe it will make more sense as the pieces come together? Idk but I still enjoyed it and would still recommend it.


Fasho Josh, that's fair
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Saw it this afternoon with the fam. I honestly don't know how I feel about it exactly. I've heard / read some reviews and talkbacks here and other sites. Honestly, I don't think it's anything more than a 6/10. Some pretty cool moments, but much of it feels hollow. I wanted it to be awesome and it tries to get there, but then it doesn't.

Lex was too quirky and silly, imo. His talk with Superman at the end was embarrassing. I don't know if they were trying to make him look psychotic or insane, but he came off as just plain silly. "ding ding ding ding ding" what??

I liked Affleck as Batman/Wayne. I get that he's been beaten and battered over the years. But the dream sequences and visions were a bit much and kind of incoherent. I look forward to his next solo outing, I liked Alfred as well. The traps he set for Superman during their fight were cool and fanboys arguments about his "preparation" giving him the advantage, came to fruition. He was probably the best part of the film.

Superman seemed sad and about as un-heroic as you can possibly be while "saving" people. I don't know who's choice it is to make him look like he's suffering and laboring to help/rescue people, but its stupid. There's just no spirit or fun in the role at all. When he decides to "sacrifice" himself in the end, I almost felt relieved that the poor bastard finally was able to end his misery. Just because you play the Superman "theme" during a few emotional scenes doesn't make the scene emotional. There wasn't much weight to any of it.

Wonder Woman. They spoiled her big entrance in the trailers, but she was OK. Could have used some more info and backstory, but DC seems to be working backwards with their films, so I assume we'll get caught up with her in her own solo venture.

Lois is getting on my nerves. Can she please take a backseat next time?

Doomsday looked like crap. It looked like he was shedding his skin and his bones were starting to pop out, but he ended up looking the same.

The fights were not very memorable and the action was tough to follow. Scenes were poorly lit and action was too quick cutting and close up. Some of the Snyder patented slo-mo would have actually been welcome. I don't recall any real "money-shot" type fight move or anything notable in that regard. It was just like a bunch of scenes put together.


Doomsday reminded me of the Abomination in the Hulk movie 2008. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the CGI, sucks. It looked better back in 2008 in all fairness.

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There was too much crammed into the 2.5 hours. The buildup of Batman hating Superman, to fighting him, and then eventually teaming up with him was probably the biggest fail. Too rushed.

Overall, good movie if you take it for what it is: an action movie. But the trailers leading up to this movie just gave away too much. All the feeling of epicness was gone because too much was anticipated from the trailers.
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PROPHET wrote:
PLATNUM wrote:
Saw it this afternoon with the fam. I honestly don't know how I feel about it exactly. I've heard / read some reviews and talkbacks here and other sites. Honestly, I don't think it's anything more than a 6/10. Some pretty cool moments, but much of it feels hollow. I wanted it to be awesome and it tries to get there, but then it doesn't.

Lex was too quirky and silly, imo. His talk with Superman at the end was embarrassing. I don't know if they were trying to make him look psychotic or insane, but he came off as just plain silly. "ding ding ding ding ding" what??

I liked Affleck as Batman/Wayne. I get that he's been beaten and battered over the years. But the dream sequences and visions were a bit much and kind of incoherent. I look forward to his next solo outing, I liked Alfred as well. The traps he set for Superman during their fight were cool and fanboys arguments about his "preparation" giving him the advantage, came to fruition. He was probably the best part of the film.

Superman seemed sad and about as un-heroic as you can possibly be while "saving" people. I don't know who's choice it is to make him look like he's suffering and laboring to help/rescue people, but its stupid. There's just no spirit or fun in the role at all. When he decides to "sacrifice" himself in the end, I almost felt relieved that the poor bastard finally was able to end his misery. Just because you play the Superman "theme" during a few emotional scenes doesn't make the scene emotional. There wasn't much weight to any of it.

Wonder Woman. They spoiled her big entrance in the trailers, but she was OK. Could have used some more info and backstory, but DC seems to be working backwards with their films, so I assume we'll get caught up with her in her own solo venture.

Lois is getting on my nerves. Can she please take a backseat next time?

Doomsday looked like crap. It looked like he was shedding his skin and his bones were starting to pop out, but he ended up looking the same.

The fights were not very memorable and the action was tough to follow. Scenes were poorly lit and action was too quick cutting and close up. Some of the Snyder patented slo-mo would have actually been welcome. I don't recall any real "money-shot" type fight move or anything notable in that regard. It was just like a bunch of scenes put together.


Doomsday reminded me of the Abomination in the Hulk movie 2008. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the CGI, sucks. It looked better back in 2008 in all fairness.

Abomination
http://roberthood.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hulk-abomination2008.jpg

Doomsday
http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/12/Batman-V-Superman-Doomsday1.jpg


I don't see how anyone could look at those pictures and say Abomination looks better. Just compare the skin texture.

What they should have done after Man of Steel is:

Batman movie

Batman vs Superman

Superman movie with Doomsday(Superman dies)

Wonder Woman movie with Aquaman (Their kingdoms at war etc.) and necessary cameos

Justice League Part 1 including the return of Superman.
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PLATNUM wrote:
Saw it this afternoon with the fam. I honestly don't know how I feel about it exactly. I've heard / read some reviews and talkbacks here and other sites. Honestly, I don't think it's anything more than a 6/10. Some pretty cool moments, but much of it feels hollow. I wanted it to be awesome and it tries to get there, but then it doesn't.

Lex was too quirky and silly, imo. His talk with Superman at the end was embarrassing. I don't know if they were trying to make him look psychotic or insane, but he came off as just plain silly. "ding ding ding ding ding" what??

I liked Affleck as Batman/Wayne. I get that he's been beaten and battered over the years. But the dream sequences and visions were a bit much and kind of incoherent. I look forward to his next solo outing, I liked Alfred as well. The traps he set for Superman during their fight were cool and fanboys arguments about his "preparation" giving him the advantage, came to fruition. He was probably the best part of the film.

Superman seemed sad and about as un-heroic as you can possibly be while "saving" people. I don't know who's choice it is to make him look like he's suffering and laboring to help/rescue people, but its stupid. There's just no spirit or fun in the role at all. When he decides to "sacrifice" himself in the end, I almost felt relieved that the poor bastard finally was able to end his misery. Just because you play the Superman "theme" during a few emotional scenes doesn't make the scene emotional. There wasn't much weight to any of it.

Wonder Woman. They spoiled her big entrance in the trailers, but she was OK. Could have used some more info and backstory, but DC seems to be working backwards with their films, so I assume we'll get caught up with her in her own solo venture.

Lois is getting on my nerves. Can she please take a backseat next time?

Doomsday looked like crap. It looked like he was shedding his skin and his bones were starting to pop out, but he ended up looking the same.

The fights were not very memorable and the action was tough to follow. Scenes were poorly lit and action was too quick cutting and close up. Some of the Snyder patented slo-mo would have actually been welcome. I don't recall any real "money-shot" type fight move or anything notable in that regard. It was just like a bunch of scenes put together.


Doomsday reminded me of the Abomination in the Hulk movie 2008. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the CGI, sucks. It looked better back in 2008 in all fairness.

Abomination
http://roberthood.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hulk-abomination2008.jpg

Doomsday
http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/12/Batman-V-Superman-Doomsday1.jpg


I don't see how anyone could look at those pictures and say Abomination looks better. Just compare the skin texture.

What they should have done after Man of Steel is:

Batman movie

Batman vs Superman

Superman movie with Doomsday(Superman dies)

Wonder Woman movie with Aquaman (Their kingdoms at war etc.) and necessary cameos

Justice League Part 1 including the return of Superman.


This is probably the order they should've done but it would've taken like 6-8 years for the first JLA movie in this scenario. Theyre trying to compete against the Marvel Universe and the Avengers so they are kind've working backwards. It'll be Justice League movie next then solo Batman, Flash, WW, Aquaman, Cyborg movie.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:15 am    Post subject:

The producers had too many great storytelling elements available to them for me to be able to excuse what a shiddily put-together product this was.

Any one of the animated Superman movies was better than this.

Bat-angst was the driving plot arc. Batman is already lame, lame, lame, but then they used a lace curtain muff like Affleck try to tell his story? Huge mistake.

3/10 if you close your eyes and ears during all the parts between hero fights

2.5/10 if you were forced to pay attention to yet another unmoving flashback to Batman's (bleep) parents getting killed on screen for the 80th time, Amy Adams' purposeless Lois Lane, Fishburne hamming it up as the generic and demanding Newspaper boss, the LOTR Cave Troll CGI model recycled as Doomsday, Doomsday disrespected with less screen time than Jesse Eisenberg...?!?!?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject:

hahahahahaha, lace curtain muff. That was funny.
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