Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 8287 Location: Oxnard, Ca.
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:40 am Post subject:
32 wrote:
Here is a study from 2010 on NFL players:
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Performance-based outcomes following lumbar discectomy in professional athletes in the National Football League.
CONCLUSION:
The data in this study suggests that even though a lumbar discectomy has career-threatening implications, a large percentage of NFL athletes return to play at competitive levels. Despite the general opinion of many NFL general managers, players who are able to complete the rigorous rehabilitation required to return to play after lumbar discectomy can expect excellent performance-based outcomes after surgery.
We will not know if Dh will have a full and complete recovery until he actually plays, there is a chance that, not to be pessimistic but to be realistic that DH will not have a full recovery.
This is the type of injury that even if it is completely healed physically does not mean the mind is completely healed. This could be a long process...From reading material provided in this thread it seems that certain athletes make a quick recovery and other take longer to recovery depending on the type pf procedure. Only tme will tell! _________________ .....
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ALTHOUGH HE STANDS 6 FEET 2 INCHES, JIM BUSS ATTENDED JOCKEY SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS 20.
He also defended Andrew Bynum to a point. Said as a surgeon he saw a guy who wasn't inconsistent with effort but his health. Said games he was taking off was likely because his knees were not feeling well, had trouble getting up and down the court.... _________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/doe-jo/swol.gif
I have a question. I'm not too familiar with this medical stuff, but if they say it's a 1 inch incision, does that mean Dwight will be 1 inch shorter after the surgery?
Performance-based outcomes following lumbar discectomy in professional athletes in the National Football League.
CONCLUSION:
The data in this study suggests that even though a lumbar discectomy has career-threatening implications, a large percentage of NFL athletes return to play at competitive levels. Despite the general opinion of many NFL general managers, players who are able to complete the rigorous rehabilitation required to return to play after lumbar discectomy can expect excellent performance-based outcomes after surgery.
We will not know if Dh will have a full and complete recovery until he actually plays, there is a chance that, not to be pessimistic but to be realistic that DH will not have a full recovery.
This is the type of injury that even if it is completely healed physically does not mean the mind is completely healed. This could be a long process...From reading material provided in this thread it seems that certain athletes make a quick recovery and other take longer to recovery depending on the type pf procedure. Only tme will tell!
I think when he trains and gets in the court is really up to his doctor. When his doctor based on his examination says; Howard you can start training and having physical contact then that is when he will get started. The Lakers expect nothing more or nothing less. This is not so much about Howard's mind it's about medical facts.
It could've come from the Lakers. It was best to make everyone think that he's currently worse off and will miss a part of the season (negotiation).
I personally believe that Howard is in on it. He's more ahead of schedule than he can lead on. He was very evasive with his answers at the PC as to when he'll return. "I'll wait to get cleared by the doctors" means he has no clue and waiting for the doctor to decide (oh sure).
Sounds like a remarkable strategy by the Lakers.
Yep. With the benefit of actual medical knowledge and standard of care regarding this type of injury, his response does ring a bit false.
As a surgeon, I know for a fact that I would tell my patient a general timeline for recovery. That's just basic doctoring 101. You don't promise anything but this sort of information is important for ANYONE, let alone the best f'ing center in the NBA.
I'm 100% sure Dwight knows that he is lights out for 4 full months. He must know that at the end of that time period, if he is okay he'll be cleared for full contact.
As for those rumors way back when about recovery going slower than normal, come on . . . how bad can a one inch incision be? They didn't even cut through any muscle!! The guy is a 26 year old physical specimen.
Just . . . no.
Let's wait a few weeks, we should be hearing about him going full contact and lifting in 2 weeks max.
Been shooting and running all week. It's a miracle
Your 2 week suggestion might be exact.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject:
lakerfan2012 wrote:
I have a question. I'm not too familiar with this medical stuff, but if they say it's a 1 inch incision, does that mean Dwight will be 1 inch shorter after the surgery?
what?
lol it means they only cut a 1 inch slice to access his back.
This video just goes to show how agile Dwight is. It's truly remarkable when you think about it. I can't wait to see it in purple and gold. _________________ Jeffs
I feel like I just watched someone TRULY give 100%. Not the BS I'm-gonna-give-a-110%-just-like-everyone-else-says platitudes, but someone that went until he just....broke. - GT
It could've come from the Lakers. It was best to make everyone think that he's currently worse off and will miss a part of the season (negotiation).
I personally believe that Howard is in on it. He's more ahead of schedule than he can lead on. He was very evasive with his answers at the PC as to when he'll return. "I'll wait to get cleared by the doctors" means he has no clue and waiting for the doctor to decide (oh sure).
Sounds like a remarkable strategy by the Lakers.
Yep. With the benefit of actual medical knowledge and standard of care regarding this type of injury, his response does ring a bit false.
As a surgeon, I know for a fact that I would tell my patient a general timeline for recovery. That's just basic doctoring 101. You don't promise anything but this sort of information is important for ANYONE, let alone the best f'ing center in the NBA.
I'm 100% sure Dwight knows that he is lights out for 4 full months. He must know that at the end of that time period, if he is okay he'll be cleared for full contact.
As for those rumors way back when about recovery going slower than normal, come on . . . how bad can a one inch incision be? They didn't even cut through any muscle!! The guy is a 26 year old physical specimen.
Just . . . no.
Let's wait a few weeks, we should be hearing about him going full contact and lifting in 2 weeks max.
Been shooting and running all week. It's a miracle
Your 2 week suggestion might be exact.
Thanks bro . . . called it
Running is actually a pretty big deal. Good sign that he is cleared to do it.
Next up, full contact, jumping, weights, etc.
Let's see how much of the "real" Dwight can be achieved by opening night. I say 80% or so.
It could've come from the Lakers. It was best to make everyone think that he's currently worse off and will miss a part of the season (negotiation).
I personally believe that Howard is in on it. He's more ahead of schedule than he can lead on. He was very evasive with his answers at the PC as to when he'll return. "I'll wait to get cleared by the doctors" means he has no clue and waiting for the doctor to decide (oh sure).
Sounds like a remarkable strategy by the Lakers.
Yep. With the benefit of actual medical knowledge and standard of care regarding this type of injury, his response does ring a bit false.
As a surgeon, I know for a fact that I would tell my patient a general timeline for recovery. That's just basic doctoring 101. You don't promise anything but this sort of information is important for ANYONE, let alone the best f'ing center in the NBA.
I'm 100% sure Dwight knows that he is lights out for 4 full months. He must know that at the end of that time period, if he is okay he'll be cleared for full contact.
As for those rumors way back when about recovery going slower than normal, come on . . . how bad can a one inch incision be? They didn't even cut through any muscle!! The guy is a 26 year old physical specimen.
Just . . . no.
Let's wait a few weeks, we should be hearing about him going full contact and lifting in 2 weeks max.
Been shooting and running all week. It's a miracle
Your 2 week suggestion might be exact.
Thanks bro . . . called it
Running is actually a pretty big deal. Good sign that he is cleared to do it.
Next up, full contact, jumping, weights, etc.
Let's see how much of the "real" Dwight can be achieved by opening night. I say 80% or so.
Here's another interesting quote from the big thread...
Quote:
Below are the highlights of my conversation with the Orlando Sentinel's Magic reporter Brian Schmitz on everything surrounding Dwight Howard getting traded to Los Angeles:
On why Orlando was reluctant to take Andrew Bynum: "He's going to be a free agent and the Magic didn't want to go through the same thing as they did with Dwight in not knowing whether the guy would just leave ...They did research on Bynum's physical stature and they don't believe his knees are going to hold up much longer. You can see that Bynum's going to Germany to get the same knee procedure as Kobe Bryant and Alex Rodriguez had. The other thing, as Laker fans are well aware of, Bynum is immature at times. It just haunts the team and could've provided a distraction."
Big men with knee and foot problems have had a bad history in the league. There is so much weight to support and when your feet are bad it spells the end.
Can't help but think of poor Bill Walton.
All that being said, I would be a LOT more worried about Brooke Lopez and his bad feet and Bynum with his knees than Howard and his acutely herniated disc.
Glad the orthopedic surgeons out there agree . . .
It could've come from the Lakers. It was best to make everyone think that he's currently worse off and will miss a part of the season (negotiation).
I personally believe that Howard is in on it. He's more ahead of schedule than he can lead on. He was very evasive with his answers at the PC as to when he'll return. "I'll wait to get cleared by the doctors" means he has no clue and waiting for the doctor to decide (oh sure).
Sounds like a remarkable strategy by the Lakers.
Yep. With the benefit of actual medical knowledge and standard of care regarding this type of injury, his response does ring a bit false.
As a surgeon, I know for a fact that I would tell my patient a general timeline for recovery. That's just basic doctoring 101. You don't promise anything but this sort of information is important for ANYONE, let alone the best f'ing center in the NBA.
I'm 100% sure Dwight knows that he is lights out for 4 full months. He must know that at the end of that time period, if he is okay he'll be cleared for full contact.
As for those rumors way back when about recovery going slower than normal, come on . . . how bad can a one inch incision be? They didn't even cut through any muscle!! The guy is a 26 year old physical specimen.
Just . . . no.
Let's wait a few weeks, we should be hearing about him going full contact and lifting in 2 weeks max.
Been shooting and running all week. It's a miracle
Your 2 week suggestion might be exact.
Thanks bro . . . called it
Running is actually a pretty big deal. Good sign that he is cleared to do it.
Next up, full contact, jumping, weights, etc.
Let's see how much of the "real" Dwight can be achieved by opening night. I say 80% or so.
Appreciate your posts df. What I don't get is everyone's impatience. I for one wouldn't mind if Dwight is not suited up game 1 or even by game 20. We are deep enough to win without him, and the most important thing is not our regular season record, but melding as a team, finding roles for players, working on our new system, and peaking by the playoffs. Dwight can do this with say 50 games under his belt before the post season starts. I just want him to be healthy, and ready to go once he is ready. The worst thing that can happen is a Derrick Rose like re-injury by returning too soon.
I'm just saying that the NATURAL course of recovery should have him ready to play by the season opener.
Right now, he's just slowly building up his strength and physique again.
With no setbacks, he should be ready to engage in basketball activities by the time training camp opens.
He won't be as strong or as athletic as he normally would be of course but that's just a consequence of 4 months of inactivity, not the result of the injury or surgery.
As he continues to work out and exercise day after day, he'll eventually return to pre-surgery form and strength.
Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 8287 Location: Oxnard, Ca.
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:24 am Post subject:
dfchang813 wrote:
No one wants to hurry him.
I'm just saying that the NATURAL course of recovery should have him ready to play by the season opener.
Right now, he's just slowly building up his strength and physique again.
With no setbacks, he should be ready to engage in basketball activities by the time training camp opens.
He won't be as strong or as athletic as he normally would be of course but that's just a consequence of 4 months of inactivity, not the result of the injury or surgery.
As he continues to work out and exercise day after day, he'll eventually return to pre-surgery form and strength.
First of all thanks for your imput....question....what would be a setback and is there a chance of DH having chronic back problems? _________________ .....
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ALTHOUGH HE STANDS 6 FEET 2 INCHES, JIM BUSS ATTENDED JOCKEY SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS 20.
A setback can be anything that prevents Dwight from returning to full strength on the basketball court. That could be something as minor as sore muscles which require a bit more rest to the most serious which is a re-herniated disc which would require significantly more downtime or even another surgery.
The chances of a reherniation is very small and is the main reason he has been restricted from running or heavy physical activity for a full 4 months after surgery.
There is obviously no guarantee what will happen in the future but the nature of his injury is considered ACUTE and a full recovery with no loss of strength, agility, and athleticism is expected.
CHRONIC back problems is a rather non-specific phrase that can encompass a wide variety of complaints with very little to do with each other. Certainly if you are thinking about the chronic back issues that plaqued T-Mac or Larry Bird, then Dwight's injury and treatment is completely different from that.
According to most reputable orthopedic surgeons, the only thing he'll need to worry about is a bit more stress and pressure placed on the other vertebra surrounding the one with the small herniation which over a long period of time may slightly shorten his career. Whether it will or not will depend to a large extent on how he takes care of his body and weight as well as the size of the herniation itself (which I hear is very small).
i posted this in the dwight works out at ucla thread... glad the other members will get to see the one you posted seeing i can't make new post yet... i hope they hook up to train after d-12 get's all the way back. if dwight develops a back to the basket game like the dream....the rest of the league is in huge trouble!!!!
Kobe and Lebron have done similar visits but it's not like they hired Hakeem to be their personal trainer or something.
I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Dwight work with Kareem on a few things so that as he gets older and his athleticism becomes a smaller advantage, he'll have a more reliable set of post moves to fall back on.
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