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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject:

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Why can't we sign and play cdr instead of meeks? CDR is the much better ball handler and shooter than meeks imo.


We need 3-point shooters, especially in D'Antoni's system.

Meeks career 3PT FG% = 36.8

CDR career 3PT FG% = 28.6% (highest season 3PT FG% = 32.6% which is still far below Meeks' career average).

What is Meeks shooting THIS season as a Laker?? Poorly and as a result I'm sure his career avg isn't 36.8 anymore. When will people realize, Meeks sucks? Make all the excuses you want. "He needs to play with starters." "He spaces the floor." How bout this 1, "He really isn't that good"


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49 pts in d league is about 20 in the real NBA..

I'd still pick him up but I wouldn't cut anyone to get him either.. (unless we can get rid of Eblanks).

Right, when Meeks can go for 20 please let Me know. That is all
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49 pts in d league is about 20 in the real NBA..

I'd still pick him up but I wouldn't cut anyone to get him either.. (unless we can get rid of Eblanks).

Right, when Meeks can go for 20 please let Me know. That is all


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka_czHe70G8 = 31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFOnmHnr2nI = 21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XExYbSAhoJc = 26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhyiRt5mAA = 21 (17 in fourth q)

All 20+ point games
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:49 am    Post subject:

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49 pts in d league is about 20 in the real NBA..

I'd still pick him up but I wouldn't cut anyone to get him either.. (unless we can get rid of Eblanks).

Right, when Meeks can go for 20 please let Me know. That is all


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka_czHe70G8 = 31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFOnmHnr2nI = 21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XExYbSAhoJc = 26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhyiRt5mAA = 21 (17 in fourth q)

All 20+ point games[/quote

AGAIN> WHAT HAS MEEKS DONE AS A LA LAKER??! Ill wait
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:53 am    Post subject:

I'm all for CDR. He's a great fit in the MDA system too. Maybe we see some 2 for 1 trades coming soon to open up a space, but I don't see CDR languishing in the D League forever. 49 points in a D League game is no joke. Only guys on our roster that are capable of that are Kobe and Dwight from a pure scoring perspective.

CDR is literally taking the Gerald Green route right now. Wish the lakers don't make that same mistake twice.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject:

I can pull up far more 20+ point games for CDR including 30 point games vs the BEST defenses of those seasons. The point IS, Meeks has proven NOTHING as a Laker and you fans keep making excuses for what he's done in the Past. At the same time, what CDR has done is overlooked. So back to the question at hand>>>What has Jodie Meeks done as a LAKER?? What is his 3pt shooting % as a LAKER?? Ill wait
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:56 am    Post subject:

I'd keep Meeks though for shooting, Clark on the other hand, is a worthless spot. We have a greater logjam at the PF spot.

Let's hope we get a 2 for 1 deal (maybe Blake or Duhon plus Clark)
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I'm all for CDR. He's a great fit in the MDA system too. Maybe we see some 2 for 1 trades coming soon to open up a space, but I don't see CDR languishing in the D League forever. 49 points in a D League game is no joke. Only guys on our roster that are capable of that are Kobe and Dwight from a pure scoring perspective.

CDR is literally taking the Gerald Green route right now. Wish the lakers don't make that same mistake twice.


there's no minutes for him here. hill takes the 4, jamison the 3, meeks the 2 and blamorrishon the 1.
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Meeks isn't the guy to get rid of. There are others on that bench that could go. I wouldn't say Ebanks is the one either.
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I can pull up far more 20+ point games for CDR including 30 point games vs the BEST defenses of those seasons. The point IS, Meeks has proven NOTHING as a Laker and you fans keep making excuses for what he's done in the Past. At the same time, what CDR has done is overlooked. So back to the question at hand>>>What has Jodie Meeks done as a LAKER?? What is his 3pt shooting % as a LAKER?? Ill wait


it's good that you wait because it might take a while until everyone's into the offense and the back up players will start balling.
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I'm all for CDR. He's a great fit in the MDA system too. Maybe we see some 2 for 1 trades coming soon to open up a space, but I don't see CDR languishing in the D League forever. 49 points in a D League game is no joke. Only guys on our roster that are capable of that are Kobe and Dwight from a pure scoring perspective.

CDR is literally taking the Gerald Green route right now. Wish the lakers don't make that same mistake twice.


there's no minutes for him here. hill takes the 4, jamison the 3, meeks the 2 and blamorrishon the 1.


New regime. I'd be interested to see what MDA feels about CDR. Brown for whatever reason didn't appear to be enthused.

But CDR is perfect for an uptempo team. The odd man out in your rotation is Jamison or Meeks.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:08 am    Post subject:

"No minutes for him here" based on what? Meeks couldn't lock down the SG even with Mike Clown in his corner. He's a 1 trick pony, so called "specialist" that hasn't lived up to expectations. MDA likes skilled competitive guys with size at their position aka CDR. Jamison is a terrible fit for a "run & gun" uptempo offense. Ebanks the MC aka "the Drunk rapper" couldn't care less about his NBA career. There's plenty of minutes here. Not to mention the public support of CDR's game, endorsed by Kobe AND Dwight. Lets see how things develop if CDR is revisited by LAL. If not, he'll be returning to the Staples to torch Meeks & Ebanks & Jamison. Then the thread on LG will be "We should've kept CDR"
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:10 am    Post subject:

argue over a scrub.
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argue over a scrub.


Yes, Gerald Green is a scrub too.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:18 am    Post subject:

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argue over a scrub.

^^^ you're right, I'm done wasting my time arguing about Meeks, he's def a scrub with no game, streaky jumpshot that rarely falls. Done
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:19 am    Post subject:

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argue over a scrub.


Yes, Gerald Green is a scrub too.

Of course Gerald Green is a scrub too, with negative net RAPM, 10 PER, can't do anything well except dunk. Though, at least, he has the athleticism and can finish a play.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:23 am    Post subject:

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argue over a scrub.

^^^ you're right, I'm done wasting my time arguing about Meeks, he's def a scrub with no game, streaky jumpshot that rarely falls. Done

Meek, CDR, or whatever name flowing in this thread are mostly scrub.

But one thing Meek does well is shooting the three. He's respectable at the 3pts line, shooting close to 40%. Still young and has good form. Very quick trigger and doesn't afraid to shoot. Nice size at the 2 and doesn't stop defending. Although lack reaction speed to defend but he has the quick feet. He has potential to develop into a Raja Bell type. That's his ceiling.
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argue over a scrub.


Yes, Gerald Green is a scrub too.

Of course Gerald Green is a scrub too, with negative net RAPM, 10 PER, can't do anything well except dunk. Though, at least, he has the athleticism and can finish a play.


Yes, you can use your statistics in a pure vacuum. What was Ariza's RAPM/PER when he was traded here, or Shannon Brown?

It's about opportunity, and CDR is a perfect MDA type of player. Frenetic and herky jerky player who would feast off of secondary fast breaks.
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"One thing Meeks does well is shoot the 3"<<THIS, AGAIN what is He shooting as a LA LAKER?? Ill wait, and Meeks has "good size for a 2"? Dude looks like he's 6'3 & plays even smaller. CDR is a legit 6'7 with better handles, better suited to defend NBA 2 guards. Also an improving outside shot. There really is no comparison on Meeks vs CDR. Time will tell
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:33 am    Post subject:

CDR would be an excellent fit in Pringles offense. Very athletic, and I think he has been using his time in the D-League to work on his jumper... (At least, I hope he has)
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argue over a scrub.


Yes, Gerald Green is a scrub too.

Of course Gerald Green is a scrub too, with negative net RAPM, 10 PER, can't do anything well except dunk. Though, at least, he has the athleticism and can finish a play.


Yes, you can use your statistics in a pure vacuum. What was Ariza's RAPM/PER when he was traded here, or Shannon Brown?

It's about opportunity, and CDR is a perfect MDA type of player. Frenetic and herky jerky player who would feast off of secondary fast breaks.

Fyi, Ariza had always been a good defender. He had at least 1+ defensive RAPM. That is very good for a wing player. It's his offensive deficiency that hurt him. But generally speaking, pre-Lakers, Ariza had net RAPM.

Shannon is a different story. He is not Ariza-level. He always more of a situational bench guy. Not a legit starter like Peak Ariza.

What make you think he's a MDA type player? Can he shoot? No. Does he have the athleticism and speed to finish a play? Sort of.
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argue over a scrub.


Yes, Gerald Green is a scrub too.

Of course Gerald Green is a scrub too, with negative net RAPM, 10 PER, can't do anything well except dunk. Though, at least, he has the athleticism and can finish a play.


Yes, you can use your statistics in a pure vacuum. What was Ariza's RAPM/PER when he was traded here, or Shannon Brown?

It's about opportunity, and CDR is a perfect MDA type of player. Frenetic and herky jerky player who would feast off of secondary fast breaks.

Fyi, Ariza had always been a good defender. He had at least 1+ defensive RAPM. That is very good for a wing player. It's his offensive deficiency that hurt him. But generally speaking, pre-Lakers, Ariza had net RAPM.

Shannon is a different story. He is not Ariza-level. He always more of a situational bench guy. Not a legit starter like Peak Ariza.

What make you think he's a MDA type player? Can he shoot? No. Does he have the athleticism and speed to finish a play? Sort of.


Your analysis of Ariza/Brown is in hindsight. My question was at the time they were traded, you would have said the same thing that you are saying about CDR. And look how those two turned out for the team.

CDR is def a MDA type of player off the bench. He's not a knockdown 3 point shooter, but neither is MWP, Pau, Ebanks, but yet they will have to adjust to MDA. What we are missing on the bench is a shot creator in the halfcourt, CDR has the potential to do that.
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CDR is def a MDA type of player off the bench. He's not a knockdown 3 point shooter, but neither is MWP, Pau, Ebanks, but yet they will have to adjust to MDA. What we are missing on the bench is a shot creator in the halfcourt, CDR has the potential to do that.


If we replace ebanks with him, I'm all for it. Let him battle for minutes.

I have him on my fantasy league team and kinda need him to join a team.
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"One thing Meeks does well is shoot the 3"<<THIS, AGAIN what is He shooting as a LA LAKER?? Ill wait, and Meeks has "good size for a 2"? Dude looks like he's 6'3 & plays even smaller. CDR is a legit 6'7 with better handles, better suited to defend NBA 2 guards. Also an improving outside shot. There really is no comparison on Meeks vs CDR. Time will tell

Why talk about his Lakers day when he barely played much under Mike Brown. He only recently got a chance to play in the new system. Very small sample size as a Lakers to evaluate him. So you have to trust the bigger sample size during his Philla day. And in those sample size, he shot a very respectable 3pt%.

Meek is 6'4, 6'5 with weight ratio at the 2 man. Bell and Meek are similar. That's why I compare the two.

CDR has good size but he doesn't possess any average NBA skill that you say can do it twice. That's an area that he has to improve for someone to pick him up.
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