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Rate Kupchak's Tenure as a GM
1. "Do it Mitch" has been an elite GM.
86%
 86%  [ 352 ]
2. More like "No harm. No foul". Middle of the pack.
11%
 11%  [ 46 ]
3. Kupchak has been a Kupcake. Other GMs eat him for dessert.
2%
 2%  [ 10 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:27 pm    Post subject: Rate Kupchak's Tenure as a GM

Through all the ups and downs and ups and downs, how does Kupchak's tenure as GM compare to those who have been around in the same time period.

If there are GMs that have out performed him overall, who are they?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject:

3 finals in 3 years, 2 championships. 1 solid move. PAU GASOL.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Pau for Kwame. 'Nuff said.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Every GM will make mistakes (Luke, Sasha etc). But the key thing is if success outweighs mistakes, and obviously he did.

Pat will win GM of the year next season, but Mitch has proven himself to be an elite GM.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject:

Middle of the road.

There's a lot of room for improvement.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject:

Probably one of the three best in the league in the past 5-7 years, all things considered.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject:

A lot of questionable trades, contracts, and draft picks in the middle of the decade. All seem of his decisions seem to be getting better though, he is learning from his mistakes. I still think he has some work to do if he wants to take the title of best GM from Buford. The only mistake I think Buford made this entire decade was Richard Jefferson. That has to be some kind of feat.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject:

Rodman28 wrote:
Middle of the road.

There's a lot of room for improvement.


So, based upon your "room for improvement" theory, what team has made moves where there isn't a lot of room? They're near perfect. As is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject:

He's got rings on his fingers. Of the 30 teams in the league, four have currently tenured general managers who have built championship teams and have the hardware to show for it. 4 out of 30. That's elite, and the hardware is all that matters to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject:

iubyont wrote:
A lot of questionable trades, contracts, and draft picks in the middle of the decade. All seem of his decisions seem to be getting better though, he is learning from his mistakes. I still think he has some work to do if he wants to take the title of best GM from Buford. The only mistake I think Buford made this entire decade was Richard Jefferson. That has to be some kind of feat.


i look at it like this ...

the tiltles speak for themselves ...

how can he not be elite when he helped us make 3 straight Finals ...people forget that Ariza & odom might have walked and we are rebuilding ...instead of winning back2back ...

Artest was a genius move ...

he got ariza and shannon when no one thought they would contribute ...

Draft picks have been mostly hit even if they didnt do well for us ...

Only blemish is the re-signings of Luke and sasha and not holding out for Wade in shaq deal ...

Even the caron Kwame deal e nded up turning to gold ...

Mitch has been a great GM after a shaky start ...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject:

I'm refraining from voting while I'm this angry over Fish's 3 years!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject:

kevin wrote:
Rodman28 wrote:
Middle of the road.

There's a lot of room for improvement.


So, based upon your "room for improvement" theory, what team has made moves where there isn't a lot of room? They're near perfect. As is.


I'm finding it quite funn that my opinion bothers you SO MUCH, you had to start a thread.

- I think he gives out too many lenghty contracts that continue to hurt us.

- He hasn't been much of a 1st round drafter.


I think the GM for the Spurs and Thunder are much better, in my opinion.


Again, you started a poll and asked a question- I answered them both. Do me a favor and don't come whining at me because you don't agree with what I have to say.

I think Fisher can help Blake out, but a 3 yr deal at his age is a little asaine.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject:

Gotta say I was firm in the "fire Mitch" camp for a while there before we got back to the finals, but the guy proved me wrong. With the exception of Kobe & Fisher, Mitch essentially built this team himself.

Argue if you want that key players fell into Mitch's lap or whatever, but the bottom line is that the team was essentially completely gutted after the 2004 season and we were built back up to a 3-time West Champion and 2-time NBA Champion with at least one more title next season a realistic possibility.

I haven't loved every move he's made (I won't re-hash about which bench players have over-inflated contracts), but the bottom line is we are 2-time champions and that's all you can ask of a GM, Coach, or team. Credit goes to everybody, not just Mitch. But if it's working, you don't mess with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject:

Mr. Zero wrote:
3 finals in 3 years, 2 championships. 1 solid move. PAU GASOL.


I thought he was also the GM for 2 yr during the 3 peats era.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject:

iubyont wrote:
A lot of questionable trades, contracts, and draft picks in the middle of the decade. All seem of his decisions seem to be getting better though, he is learning from his mistakes. I still think he has some work to do if he wants to take the title of best GM from Buford. The only mistake I think Buford made this entire decade was Richard Jefferson. That has to be some kind of feat.


Agreed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject:

He's no Jerry West, that's for sure but he's done pretty well... I voted middle of pack.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject:

Rodman28 wrote:
Do me a favor and don't come whining at me because you don't agree with what I have to say.

I think Fisher can help Blake out, but a 3 yr deal at his age is a little asaine.


I'm not whining. Just asking. And learn how to spell asinine.

Or did you try to merge insane with asinine?

He he.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject:

Tris wrote:
Mr. Zero wrote:
3 finals in 3 years, 2 championships. 1 solid move. PAU GASOL.


I thought he was also the GM for 2 yr during the 3 peats era.


No, he was still under West.

If I recall right, he started as GM in 2003-2004.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject:

kevin wrote:
Rodman28 wrote:
Do me a favor and don't come whining at me because you don't agree with what I have to say.

I think Fisher can help Blake out, but a 3 yr deal at his age is a little asaine.


I'm not whining. Just asking. And learn how to spell asinine.

Or did you try to merge insane with asinine?

He he.


Thank you, spell check nazi.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject:

Mistakes:
Luke Walton contract
Sasha Vujacic contract
Caron Butler for Kwame Brown

Successes:
Kwame Brown, JCritt, Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol
Vladimir Radmanovic for Shannon Brown & Adam Morrison
Maurice Evans + Brian Cook for Trevor Ariza
Drafting Andrew Bynum
Not trading Kobe for pu pu platter
Not trading Bynum for Jason Kidd
Signing Ron Artest

TBD:
Signing Steve Blake (likely success)
Decisions on Fisher, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Mbenga, Powell
Drafting Ebanks/Caracter (looking like a HUGE success)


He's an elite GM. Really nobody I'd rather have at the helm of the ship than Mitch because let's face it, the rings speak for themselves.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
Mistakes:
Luke Walton contract
Sasha Vujacic contract
Caron Butler for Kwame Brown

Successes:
Kwame Brown, JCritt, Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol
Vladimir Radmanovic for Shannon Brown & Adam Morrison
Maurice Evans + Brian Cook for Trevor Ariza
Drafting Andrew Bynum
Not trading Kobe for pu pu platter
Not trading Bynum for Jason Kidd
Signing Ron Artest

TBD:
Signing Steve Blake (likely success)
Decisions on Fisher, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Mbenga, Powell
Drafting Ebanks/Caracter (looking like a HUGE success)


He's an elite GM. Really nobody I'd rather have at the helm of the ship than Mitch because let's face it, the rings speak for themselves.


Is Caron really a mistake if it lead to a success, eventually?

And what about trading Shaq?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject:

iubyont wrote:
A lot of questionable trades, contracts, and draft picks in the middle of the decade. All seem of his decisions seem to be getting better though, he is learning from his mistakes. I still think he has some work to do if he wants to take the title of best GM from Buford. The only mistake I think Buford made this entire decade was Richard Jefferson. That has to be some kind of feat.


Buford hasn't been the best GM since Presti left the front office. How about trading Scola to a division rival?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:57 pm    Post subject:

Mitch has been the best GM out there in the last 4yrs...Sasha was not a bad signing, any GM would have fallen for La Machine's hot shooting....Luke well he was like the leading the league in 3point shooting for the majority of the season that season, and the lakers were in panic mode at that time, Phil's got a man crush on him, staples center used to yell "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke" anytime he stepped on the floor, he's a very good passer and the ideal triangle player, so yeah I understand that signing as well. But when you consider the players he's brought in and the manner in which he acquired them, common now he's been the best GM there is: Ariza, Pau, Artest, Shannon Brown, bringing Fish back, Bynum, Rad, Turiaf, Odom...these are quality players, and we've won back to back titles from it so yeah thats all that matters
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject:

Started out as mediocre but over the years has improved to elite level.

Can't complain about anything he has done in the last 3 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject:

kevin wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
Mistakes:
Luke Walton contract
Sasha Vujacic contract
Caron Butler for Kwame Brown

Successes:
Kwame Brown, JCritt, Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol
Vladimir Radmanovic for Shannon Brown & Adam Morrison
Maurice Evans + Brian Cook for Trevor Ariza
Drafting Andrew Bynum
Not trading Kobe for pu pu platter
Not trading Bynum for Jason Kidd
Signing Ron Artest

TBD:
Signing Steve Blake (likely success)
Decisions on Fisher, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Mbenga, Powell
Drafting Ebanks/Caracter (looking like a HUGE success)


He's an elite GM. Really nobody I'd rather have at the helm of the ship than Mitch because let's face it, the rings speak for themselves.


Is Caron really a mistake if it lead to a success, eventually?

And what about trading Shaq?


at the time there was no way he could have known pau was going to be available. you can't judge it as a success - at the time it was a mistake.

the shaq trade is questionable. Miami won the championship the next season. It led to a few seasons of intense agony in not even making the playoffs, and first round playoff exits. I suppose that in the long term it made us a more viable team so I'll give that one a success as well.
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