After surviving two assassination attempts, female Mexican mayor abducted and beaten to death
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:08 am    Post subject:

rip - that brave woman.

I'm thinkin that U.S. officials will never let the drug trade into the free open market. They're just making too much money off it as well.

This drug war will go on forever and I don't think the people of the United States will ever push for a different approach.

Story's like this will just continue on & on.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject:

Look, I understand people's feelings on the drug war, but damn, this is the act of cowards/monsters. God bless her soul and I hope her children and family will be ok.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:56 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject:

Unfortunately her death won't change much. Mexican government is powerless. People in the US tend to ignore since its south of border.

If there was a big public tragedy against US citizens deep within US soil, something that causes a huge public uproar and rallies the country, then will see the kids gloves come off of US government.

Until then people continue to die over drugs.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
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Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
You're not going to stop drug traffic with police or the military, and you're not going to stop it by some naive attempt to eliminate the demand for drugs. The demand for drugs will never ever go away, it's apart of the human condition. The only thing you can do is make the use and distribution of drugs legal and regulated. Criminals will not be able to compete with the free market, it will wipe them out of existence. Anyone who thinks that the problems the legalization of drugs would cause are worse than the problems that the illegalization of drugs has caused is a moron.


You are absolutely correct. The problem resides in how to approach the legalization aspect. It's one thing to legalize marijuana. Society has actually seen the wisdom in that. The problem lies with things like Cocaine, Heroine and Meth.

That's a legalization issue that is much tougher than opening up Pot to general consumption.

It's getting easier to envision pot dispensaries turning in to pot stores. But no one envisions a Bed, Meth and Beyond franchise in the near future.


You don't have to legalize the hard stuff, but it should be decriminalized. For a case study on how it works effectively, check out Portugal and their drug statistics prior to and after they decriminalized.


While that would help with things, that doesn't solve what we're talking about here. Besides, people have a right to do what they want with their own body, so they should be allowed to use and legally obtain drugs if they want.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:57 am    Post subject:

20 yr old mexican beauty queen killed in shootout.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/world/americas/mexico-beauty-queen-death/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

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More than 47,500 people have died across Mexico in drug-related violence since December 2006, when President Felipe Calderon took office and announced plans to deploy federal troops to help the government's fight against organized crime.

According to Mexico's National Human Rights Commission, more than 5,300 people have disappeared throughout the country in that same time, and the bodies of 9,000 dead have not been identified.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:23 am    Post subject:

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(bleep)ing Mexicans. These drug cartels need to be hunted and destroyed. Our troops should get the hell out of the Middle East and give these people the help they desperately need.


The War on Drugs hasn't worked for decades. Increasing the military effort isn't going to change the dynamics that lead to the cartels. There's too much money too be had for cartels under the current drug laws. They won't be deterred by the US military anymore then they have been by the Mexican police and military. These cartels have taken over entire states in Mexico and are building submarines to move their product. Even if the US could arrange an occupation, they would be fighting an enemy that is looking to evade them, not confront them. It's folly to think that such an operation would be effective at anything other than increasing civilian deaths.

we shouldnt send troops there but there's a huge difference between Mexican forces who are just as corrupt as the cartels themselves and US troops going in search and destroy mode
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:38 pm    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
You're not going to stop drug traffic with police or the military, and you're not going to stop it by some naive attempt to eliminate the demand for drugs. The demand for drugs will never ever go away, it's apart of the human condition. The only thing you can do is make the use and distribution of drugs legal and regulated. Criminals will not be able to compete with the free market, it will wipe them out of existence. Anyone who thinks that the problems the legalization of drugs would cause are worse than the problems that the illegalization of drugs has caused is a moron.


You are absolutely correct. The problem resides in how to approach the legalization aspect. It's one thing to legalize marijuana. Society has actually seen the wisdom in that. The problem lies with things like Cocaine, Heroine and Meth.

That's a legalization issue that is much tougher than opening up Pot to general consumption.

It's getting easier to envision pot dispensaries turning in to pot stores. But no one envisions a Bed, Meth and Beyond franchise in the near future.


You don't have to legalize the hard stuff, but it should be decriminalized. For a case study on how it works effectively, check out Portugal and their drug statistics prior to and after they decriminalized.


While that would help with things, that doesn't solve what we're talking about here. Besides, people have a right to do what they want with their own body, so they should be allowed to use and legally obtain drugs if they want.


It'd be easier to decriminalize first.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
You're not going to stop drug traffic with police or the military, and you're not going to stop it by some naive attempt to eliminate the demand for drugs. The demand for drugs will never ever go away, it's apart of the human condition. The only thing you can do is make the use and distribution of drugs legal and regulated. Criminals will not be able to compete with the free market, it will wipe them out of existence. Anyone who thinks that the problems the legalization of drugs would cause are worse than the problems that the illegalization of drugs has caused is a moron.


You are absolutely correct. The problem resides in how to approach the legalization aspect. It's one thing to legalize marijuana. Society has actually seen the wisdom in that. The problem lies with things like Cocaine, Heroine and Meth.

That's a legalization issue that is much tougher than opening up Pot to general consumption.

It's getting easier to envision pot dispensaries turning in to pot stores. But no one envisions a Bed, Meth and Beyond franchise in the near future.


You don't have to legalize the hard stuff, but it should be decriminalized. For a case study on how it works effectively, check out Portugal and their drug statistics prior to and after they decriminalized.


While that would help with things, that doesn't solve what we're talking about here. Besides, people have a right to do what they want with their own body, so they should be allowed to use and legally obtain drugs if they want.


It'd be easier to decriminalize first.


True.
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