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LakerBlue Star Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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shansen008 wrote: | driver wrote: | He's still got a lot to learn on the offense. Unlike Blake or Fisher of the past, he gets to the rim like a breeze. Unfortunately he also gets there via a charge or being outta control.
I think his vision is great, he WANTS to pass to you, even if you suck. That means something to players woh want to build some confidence back.
His defense by far, is the BEST of all the point guards. When Nash returns, he should always be the go-to crunch defender when Nash is resting. BTW, Morris is a 44% 3pt shooter. Team needs to realize that. |
I agree 100%, but i expect his 3% to drop significantly as the sample size is rather small.
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Everyone keeps saying this but there's no evidence for it. Small sample size doesn't necessarily equal higher %.
Morris is 17 for 38. Other NBA players within 1 attempt of him:
Trevor Ariza's 10-39 (25.6%), Eric Maynor's 12-37 (32.4%).
A drop off from Morris wouldn't be surprised (44.7%), but I don't think it'll be lower than 39%. At least not while he's getting quality shots. _________________
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sandeezy Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Further proof that he earned the right to backup Nash over Blake. |
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shansen008 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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LakerBlue wrote: | shansen008 wrote: | driver wrote: | He's still got a lot to learn on the offense. Unlike Blake or Fisher of the past, he gets to the rim like a breeze. Unfortunately he also gets there via a charge or being outta control.
I think his vision is great, he WANTS to pass to you, even if you suck. That means something to players woh want to build some confidence back.
His defense by far, is the BEST of all the point guards. When Nash returns, he should always be the go-to crunch defender when Nash is resting. BTW, Morris is a 44% 3pt shooter. Team needs to realize that. |
I agree 100%, but i expect his 3% to drop significantly as the sample size is rather small.
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Everyone keeps saying this but there's no evidence for it. Small sample size doesn't necessarily equal higher %.
Morris is 17 for 38. Other NBA players within 1 attempt of him:
Trevor Ariza's 10-39 (25.6%), Eric Maynor's 12-37 (32.4%).
A drop off from Morris wouldn't be surprised (44.7%), but I don't think it'll be lower than 39%. At least not while he's getting quality shots. |
I agree with you, but let me clarify.
I just mean that statistically, as sample size increases, your average becomes more realistic. When i say significant increase, we are talking about a 3pt%. What separates an ok shooter from a great shooter could be as littls as 7%, lets say 36-43%. So to me that gap is significant. That being said, if Dmo is shooting near 45%, but ended up at the end of the season around 38-40%, i will be VERY happy. |
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yoshi121 Sixth Man
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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I am so glad MDA kept him in there even though the offense wasn't doing well. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:36 am Post subject: |
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yoshi121 wrote: | I am so glad MDA kept him in there even though the offense wasn't doing well. |
It's good he recognized that. Let's hope in the future he never puts in duhon again, ever. Unless it's a blowout. |
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B_P Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:45 am Post subject: |
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If he ever gains confidence in his ability to finish at the rim (his biggest weakness, IMO), he could be a pretty nice young guard for us. _________________ Everything. Changes. |
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Talking2ThaMoon Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | yoshi121 wrote: | I am so glad MDA kept him in there even though the offense wasn't doing well. |
It's good he recognized that. Let's hope in the future he never puts in duhon again, ever. Unless it's a blowout. |
Tbh I wouldn't trust Duhon's defense even if we're up by 30 and there's 5 minutes left in the game. _________________ Win. |
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kobemania3-16 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: |
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He reminds me a lot of Farmar.
the one thing i wish he do more is pass the ball when he run a fast break, he refuse to pass it no matter what, instead of easy points its a turnover. |
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Yong Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:29 am Post subject: |
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how good does it feel to finally have a pg defensive stopper who is a capable 3pt shooter? |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Yong wrote: | how good does it feel to finally have a pg defensive stopper who is a capable 3pt shooter? |
sexy |
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Moses Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:33 am Post subject: |
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shansen008 wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | frenchbullcho wrote: | AHAHAHHA rookie Kemba Walker 28 points, Bench player Ramon Sessions 20 points.
kobe doesn't like Morris too |
AHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA
Kemba 2 points on morris
Sessions 2 points on morris
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA
now get out. |
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frenchbullcho consider yourself owned bro.
You've gotta actually watch the game and not just analyze the box score before you make judgements on players, especially on something like defense, which is subjective and not necessarily reflected in the stats.
If you had watched the game, you'd likely have seen that Morris' D, particularly in the second half was very active and very good. People may say "he only got a couple of stops", but when you are a young and inexperienced bench player, coming in to the game and "getting a couple of stops" at a key time is actually a pretty good output. If every single one of our bench players got a couple of stops, then we'd be blowing teams out of the water. _________________ Lakers, Chargers, Dodgers, Arsenal FC.
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The Marathon Continues
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yoshi121 Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Ball Denial (check)
Make PGs work for their points (check)
recover when being screened (check)
Doesn't commit a lot of fouls (check)
Makes other PGs go west and east instead of north and south (check)
He reminds me of a smaller version of Thabo Sefolosha. |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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This . . . v v v . . . probably works better in this thread.
ribeye wrote: | RAPM (very erratic)
Morris -2.09
Duhon -1.77
DRtg: 110 each
Defensive win shares: .2 each
PER48 Opponent:
Duhon - 14.5
Morris - 15.3
Production Opponent:
Duhon - 15.9
Morris - 14.6
Pretty darn similar. |
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George the Greek Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | frenchbullcho wrote: | AHAHAHHA rookie Kemba Walker 28 points, Bench player Ramon Sessions 20 points.
kobe doesn't like Morris too |
AHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA
Kemba 2 points on morris
Sessions 2 points on morris
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA
now get out. |
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Chronicle wrote: | Yong wrote: | how good does it feel to finally have a pg defensive stopper who is a capable 3pt shooter? |
sexy |
My body is on fire. I'm way past ready at this point. _________________
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matrixskillz wrote: | everybody steals moves from everybody | I call that Basketball Communism. |
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Free_Kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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cKPayasoLoco wrote: | you can tell who watched the game and who boxscored it cuz we woulda lost if it wasnt for Morris D |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I'm conflicted about Morris. On one hand he's prone to incredibly stupid mistakes/turnovers on the offensive end, and part of me feels like we don't have time for him to get the rookie mistakes out of the way. (I view him as basically a rookie, since this if the first real run he's gotten in his career)
But on the other hand, you're right...he's by far our best PG defender, and adds an element of speed in the transition game, and dribble penetration on offense. I just wish we could speed up his mental development a bit, because some of the stuff he does drives me nuts. |
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George the Greek Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | I'm conflicted about Morris. On one hand he's prone to incredibly stupid mistakes/turnovers on the offensive end, and part of me feels like we don't have time for him to get the rookie mistakes out of the way. (I view him as basically a rookie, since this if the first real run he's gotten in his career)
But on the other hand, you're right...he's by far our best PG defender, and adds an element of speed in the transition game, and dribble penetration on offense. I just wish we could speed up his mental development a bit, because some of the stuff he does drives me nuts. |
He's a rookie. He'll look better and better as he grows. He needs time and he's by far our best prospect. I say we develop him. We need an athletic young PG who can defend and shoot. _________________
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matrixskillz wrote: | everybody steals moves from everybody | I call that Basketball Communism. |
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TheeLakeshow Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:15 am Post subject: |
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His biggest asset.......... Hes a worker. He busts his ass to get better. Kobe did a nice interview where he was talking about how he has taken Morris under his wing. The kid worked on his long shot all summer and it has payed off. I also like that hes fearless, he isent affraid to take that long shot when kobe dishes it to him late in games and he's proving to be pretty clutch in those moments. That alone says alot about the kid. _________________ *Paging Mike "Doo Doo" Brown to the front desk*
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baloogawhales Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: |
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George the Greek wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | frenchbullcho wrote: | AHAHAHHA rookie Kemba Walker 28 points, Bench player Ramon Sessions 20 points.
kobe doesn't like Morris too |
AHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA
Kemba 2 points on morris
Sessions 2 points on morris
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA
now get out. |
pwned
Chronicle wrote: | Yong wrote: | how good does it feel to finally have a pg defensive stopper who is a capable 3pt shooter? |
sexy |
My body is on fire. I'm way past ready at this point. |
Also, it was mentioned earlier but I wanted to say it again. That 3 pointer Morris made in the third quarter off Kobe's sweet pass, was crucial. Such a huge momentum shift, Morris did his 3 pointer hand gesture. Just a huge confidence boost for the whole team. Good to see him play well. _________________ Kobe+Pau+Bynum+Lamar = Championship |
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SmithWick Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Why do people always have something negative to say about anything positive? |
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postandpivot Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Darius Morris - Defensive Player of the Year |
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Chronicle wrote: | Okay that was a joke.
But what this is about, is that Darius Morris is our best PG defender. He is constant on-ball pressure and he has literally shut down or trapped not only Kemba in last game but several opponents in multiple games.
He might be inconsistent on offense, but his defense is very good.
Think of the defensive lineups, with Morris, Bryant, World Peace, Healthy Pau, Dwight
Or small ball, Morris, Meeks, Bryant, World Peace, Dwight
You can even mix them up depending on length or speed.
Darius Morris deserves some more recognition. |
best DEFENSIVE lineup, with offense to boot
is
kobe,meeks, mwp, jhill, howard.(in the half court)
the 2nd best line up is
morris, kobe, mwp, jhill, dwight (in the half court)
The two above lineups are very good at stopping the pick n roll.
the 3rd best line up is
morris, kobe, mwp, gasol, dwight(in the half court), not as good at stopping the pick n roll as the above groups but still not as bad as nash/duhon at point.
1st best lineup is
morris, meeks, kobe, mwp, dwight (transition defense, traps, full court pressure)
^^that team is a trapping team that can pull off a full court press/trap or a half court press/trap _________________ LAL4K3RS wrote: He(Kobe) is the white haired kung fu master that you realize is older than dirt but can still kick your arse when in a sitting position drinking a nice herbal tea. |
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Gimme_the_rock Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:16 am Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | I'm conflicted about Morris. On one hand he's prone to incredibly stupid mistakes/turnovers on the offensive end, and part of me feels like we don't have time for him to get the rookie mistakes out of the way. (I view him as basically a rookie, since this if the first real run he's gotten in his career)
But on the other hand, you're right...he's by far our best PG defender, and adds an element of speed in the transition game, and dribble penetration on offense. I just wish we could speed up his mental development a bit, because some of the stuff he does drives me nuts. |
Feel similar, myself.
But, this team needs defense in the worst way ESPECIALLY against PG's. And the energized switching and chasing open shooters whem Meeks is in the game is completely winning combo because of the vast change of pace between starters and the bench. Not to mention, Morris doesn't really handle the ball all that much (Kobe normally bears the burden) since Mike Brown left town so he's finding a pretty nice little niche.
I think confidence is building and while he'll continue having setbacks (struggling with inconsistent shooting and, at times, deplorable decision making), the hole in the Lakers team speed defensively is so incredibly gaping, he instantly becomes valuable because, unlike with the ball in his hand, he is brimming with confidence defensively.
If his J is falling, you play him. If you're playing the better teams, you let him play off the ball offensively while guarding 1's on the other end.
This much is becoming more apparent, he's finding his role on this squad. That's such a HUGE part of the battle for young players like Morris.
At the very least, he's a great option to have just in case ... he's already proven he can bounce back even after racking up a DNP or three too. |
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Gimme_the_rock Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:18 am Post subject: |
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If he continues to develop his 3-ball, think of a (young) Fisher-like spot for Morris on this squad ... only with better speed, size, and handles (if used correctly). |
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Wagyu Kobe Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Morris has really surprised me in the last 15 games or so. Not only has he (might be in my head) gotten faster, he's developed a reliable three ball too. Both great for D'Antoni's system... |
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jim93 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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A 20 something year old has an easier time staying in front of other 20 somethings than 30+ year old players, who would of thought? |
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