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troy
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 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: Don't blame Kobe for hero ball, blame Steve Nash |
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Nash was suppose to balance the offense and find the best player for the best shot at the best time. And MDA was suppose to make certain this would happen. Nash, a two-time MVP and veteran 6 years older than Kobe, was suppose to have the credentials to control Kobe's hero-ball programming.
So, if the ball isn't moving sufficiently in the 4th quarter, than only Nash, as the PG, or D'Antoni, as the head coach, are to blame. Kobe is a shooting guard. He has brought the team back before by his offense, so he will do what he does, regardless. Nash is suppose to be the one controlling the flow of the offense, not Kobe.
Steve Nash is to blame for not being assertive and doing what he is paid to do. |
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City_Dawg
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It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots.
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Heisenborg
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| Am I crazy or did it seem like there was better ball movement and more off-the-ball action with Mike freaking Brown? |
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| Heisenborg wrote: | | Am I crazy or did it seem like there was better ball movement and more off-the-ball action with Mike freaking Brown? |
Princeton from this season? yes.
Mike Brown's offense from last year? Nope.
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It was me 
You can blame me for hero ball
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Wagyu Kobe
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| City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
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| Wagyu Kobe wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
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And if you lose more games than you win, consistently. |
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Heisenborg
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Hmm so the OP deflects Kobe's poor defense to Phil Jackson in another thread http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=159184
And in this thread the OP blames Kobe's poor offensive decision making on Nash and D'Antoni
So when's the Gasol and Dwight threads? OP's a clown 
| City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
Which unfortunately happens more often than not  |
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KBH
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| City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
It's "hero ball" either way, you just don't hear complaints when the shots go in. |
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| KBH wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
It's "hero ball" either way, you just don't hear complaints when the shots go in. |
That's what he meant. |
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City_Dawg
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| zePokar wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
It's "hero ball" either way, you just don't hear complaints when the shots go in. |
That's what he meant. |
Although the overall point being made is that most would prefer a more varied attack down the stretch or at least shots that are a bit more...makeable. 
Now that's out of the way-
GO KOBE!
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I blame Canada
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not sure if serious
if you had watched the game, you would observe that kobe constantly DEMANDED the ball. |
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damn you steve nash
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| Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Don't blame Kobe for hero ball, blame Steve Nash |
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| troy wrote: | Nash was suppose to balance the offense and find the best player for the best shot at the best time. And MDA was suppose to make certain this would happen. Nash, a two-time MVP and veteran 6 years older than Kobe, was suppose to have the credentials to control Kobe's hero-ball programming.
So, if the ball isn't moving sufficiently in the 4th quarter, than only Nash, as the PG, or D'Antoni, as the head coach, are to blame. Kobe is a shooting guard. He has brought the team back before by his offense, so he will do what he does, regardless. Nash is suppose to be the one controlling the flow of the offense, not Kobe.
Steve Nash is to blame for not being assertive and doing what he is paid to do. |
That's a new one...literally no one makes these excuses and allowances for any basketball player in history - including Jordan.
Kobe is a ballhog, I love watching his dramatics, but there is just no denying it. He doesn't really like people, team camarederie to him is a chore -- how you gonna build chemistry with him? The only way is to cater everything to him. We need players like Fish and Odom.
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| Fisher had the balls to swing the ball the other side to pau, nash literally runs to kobe |
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| Fallout wrote: | | I blame Canada |
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| KBH wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
It's "hero ball" either way, you just don't hear complaints when the shots go in. |
Let's be fair, you do hear praise though. That's the nature of hero ball. You take bad shots, if they go in you get glory, if they pop out you get the blame. There is no in between. The only question is how effective it is as a method over the long run. I will say though, leaving aside the pros and cons of hero ball for a team in general, Kobe is probably the best hero baller out there.
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| SweetP wrote: | | Fallout wrote: | | I blame Canada |
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| TAKAHIRO wrote: | | Fisher had the balls to swing the ball the other side to pau, nash literally runs to kobe |
Are you kidding? Fish was just as much of an enabler to Kobe as anyone.
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MCJOG
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| City_Dawg wrote: | | TAKAHIRO wrote: | | Fisher had the balls to swing the ball the other side to pau, nash literally runs to kobe |
Are you kidding? Fish was just as much of an enabler to Kobe as anyone. |
True, but he was able to convince everyone else to keep playing hard when Kobe disses them on the court.
Kobe needs a permanent pr rep on the court.
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| MCJOG wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | TAKAHIRO wrote: | | Fisher had the balls to swing the ball the other side to pau, nash literally runs to kobe |
Are you kidding? Fish was just as much of an enabler to Kobe as anyone. |
True, but he was able to convince everyone else to keep playing hard when Kobe disses them on the court.
Kobe needs a permanent pr rep on the court. |
Good grief, some of you guys...
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| OshadowO wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | It's only "Hero Ball" if you miss the shots. |
It's "hero ball" either way, you just don't hear complaints when the shots go in. |
Let's be fair, you do hear praise though. That's the nature of hero ball. You take bad shots, if they go in you get glory, if they pop out you get the blame. There is no in between. The only question is how effective it is as a method over the long run. I will say though, leaving aside the pros and cons of hero ball for a team in general, Kobe is probably the best hero baller out there. |
He is the best hero baller out there for sure. There are definitely times over the last several years when I wish we weren't so predictable down the stretch, especially now with Nash as a great clutch shooter and creator himself, but with all of Kobe's success it's hard to complain too much. |
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| City_Dawg wrote: | | MCJOG wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | TAKAHIRO wrote: | | Fisher had the balls to swing the ball the other side to pau, nash literally runs to kobe |
Are you kidding? Fish was just as much of an enabler to Kobe as anyone. |
True, but he was able to convince everyone else to keep playing hard when Kobe disses them on the court.
Kobe needs a permanent pr rep on the court. |
Good grief, some of you guys... |
I'm not pro or anti Kobe, just pro Lakers...this point has been made several times by people smarter and more knowledgable than me on national tv.
Its an unfortunate reality, but it can be mitigated.
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Lol at this thread. Nash has to actually have the ball in his hands in the fourth quarter for him to do what he's actually good at doing (which is being a very clutch shooter/passer in the clutch historically). How is this possible when Kobe ball-hogs so many fourth quarters?
Look at the end of the Sacramento and Indiana games...Nash was setting the tables for everyone, ball was moving, was going inside (to Dwight) and out...and we won.
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