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| lakersfan22 wrote: | | Yong wrote: | | SmokeAndAshes wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: |
You tank THIS YEAR because this is the year the Lakers aren't making any noise in the postseason anyway. Even when Kobe comes back, he won't be 100%. Nique said it took him a full year to feel like himself again. It'll probably be that way for Kobe, who won't be in the top condition to which he's accustomed. Then he's here for what, 2-3 more years maybe? Can't tank those seasons. So, no, the Lakers can't tank any year. It's this year or it's 4-5 years from now.
Really tired of people citing the Spurs like it's a comparable situation. The Spurs managed their team much differently (*cough* better *cough*) than we did over Duncan's and Kobe's careers. The Spurs managed their cap space while retaining their draft picks, giving them the flexibility in both finances and assets (a near constant influx of blue chip talent, usually stashed overseas) to draft the Parkers/Ginobilis/Tiagos/Scolas/Dragics and trade for the Kawhi's and Stephan Jacksons.
The Lakers, on the other hand, have had no such fortune. Their stars do not give hometown discounts (whether they should or not is beside the point). Their draft picks are given away to get under the cap. They round their rosters out with aging vet ring chasers and D-leaguers nobody has ever of, nor should ever have had to hear of. Everybody blamed D'Antoni while we were getting blown out of round 1 last year, but that blow-out was a decade plus in the making.
The Spurs cruised into the postseason fully healthy because their stars only have to play 30 mpg thanks to a deep/young bench, thanks to never trading first rounders, thanks to the stars giving up money to play for a more competitive team. The Lakers barely eked into the playoffs after their star player snapped his achilles because his team couldn't afford a decent enough bench with young legs required to survived an 82-game season. That's what happens when you spend your whole cap on 3-4 guys. Every once in a while, you end up having to give Andrew Goudelock major playoff minutes.
What message are you sending to top free agents by tanking? I don't know. What "message" did Boston send when they tried tanking for Durant/Oden? Whatever it was, it didn't seem to dissuade KG or Ray Allen none. It's moot anyway because "top free agents" aren't coming here next year. Lebron is not leaving Miami to come to this situation. And if this season teaches Melo anything (and it certainly won't be how to defend, create for his teammates, or stay in better shape), it'll be that he has to play on a more talented team. This Laker team ain't it. Nevermind all the millions he'd have to give up to come to a team that's barely more talented than the one he's on.
Players don't care about "messages" or "the brand" anymore. It's money + talent. The Clippers sent the worst "message" any team could for the last two decades and yet they're the hotter team right now. It's all about the best combination of dollars and help. KG was very anti-Boston until he found out Ray would be going there, too. That's when he waived his no-trade agreement. Pierce + Ray. Didn't care about the "message" Boston sent. Kobe is not enough to get Lebron or Melo to come here.
But Kobe + a hyped up draft pick or, ya know, whatever disgruntled all-star on another team could be acquired for that draft pick, much like Ray Allen was acquired for Boston's pick--might be. HMMMMMM
The Lakers are actually more likely to attract a "top free agent" next year by tanking than by breaking their necks to be 1st round cannon fodder. If they can get a high enough pick in this year's draft, you might be able to use that pick to get Kevin Love, Rondo (not wild about him at this point, but that's an example), or who knows. You get one of those guys, and THEN maybe Melo or Lebron takes a long look at this team. |
+10000!!!
This sums up my take on it exactly!! Well said!!! |
+ 10000000!!!!
But people rather retain some useless old fashion pride. |
Yup amazing post |
GREAT POST! Kobe + Top Pick + Greg Monroe (Possibly) is going to attract FA |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| alot of teams are doing like we are and FAILING at their early season tank efforts. so we're ok right now, ill take our wins over the Clips and Rocketas! |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Looks like the Utah Jazz are now the frontrunners for the #1 pick next year. They are pathetically bad. They are the only nba team with no wins yet. Toronto is absolutely destroying them right now. |
i can see Wiggins and other top prospects will tank their games just NOT to be drafted by Utah no. 1  |
The Jazz right now have a better future then us. Burke, Burks, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors have a crap ton of potential. Just imagine adding Wiggens or Parker. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfan22 wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Looks like the Utah Jazz are now the frontrunners for the #1 pick next year. They are pathetically bad. They are the only nba team with no wins yet. Toronto is absolutely destroying them right now. |
i can see Wiggins and other top prospects will tank their games just NOT to be drafted by Utah no. 1 |
The Jazz right now have a better future then us. Burke, Burks, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors have a crap ton of potential. Just imagine adding Wiggens or Parker. |
so? they all gonna be gone after their rookie contract's expire. there are only so many Karl Molone and John Stockton in the world that love to call Utah home as NBA players. |
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Marc Stein is predicting Jerry Sloan will replace Ty Corbin as coach of the Utah Jazz.
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | lakersfan22 wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Looks like the Utah Jazz are now the frontrunners for the #1 pick next year. They are pathetically bad. They are the only nba team with no wins yet. Toronto is absolutely destroying them right now. |
i can see Wiggins and other top prospects will tank their games just NOT to be drafted by Utah no. 1 |
The Jazz right now have a better future then us. Burke, Burks, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors have a crap ton of potential. Just imagine adding Wiggens or Parker. |
so? they all gonna be gone after their rookie contract's expire. there are only so many Karl Molone and John Stockton in the world that love to call Utah home as NBA players. |
If they're winning, they wont care. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | Marc Stein is predicting Jerry Sloan will replace Ty Corbin as coach of the Utah Jazz.
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Also says they'll lock up Haywayrd. They already got favors locked up as well. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfan22 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Marc Stein is predicting Jerry Sloan will replace Ty Corbin as coach of the Utah Jazz.
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Also says they'll lock up Haywayrd. They already got favors locked up as well. |
He predicts he will land a four-year max offer sheet in restricted free agency next July. But he doesn't say it will be with Utah.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | lakersfan22 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Marc Stein is predicting Jerry Sloan will replace Ty Corbin as coach of the Utah Jazz.
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Also says they'll lock up Haywayrd. They already got favors locked up as well. |
He predicts he will land a four-year max offer sheet in restricted free agency next July. But he doesn't say it will be with Utah. |
We should make a offer if all else doesn't work out. Him and Parker would compliment eachother very well. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Where did this thread get "moved" to? |
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Money23
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| Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread needs to be in the Laker Lounge, its a legitimate discussion |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Money23 wrote: | | This thread needs to be in the Laker Lounge, its a legitimate discussion |
I think people didn't like the negativity of this thread in the Lounge. Thus its relegation. I agree it's more of a Lakers Should Continue Losing thread than a draft talent speculation thread. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Money23 wrote: | | This thread needs to be in the Laker Lounge, its a legitimate discussion |
I think people didn't like the negativity of this thread in the Lounge. Thus its relegation. I agree it's more of a Lakers Should Continue Losing thread than a draft talent speculation thread. |
Agree.
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Tanking threads are going to keep popping up in the lounge. Why not at least keep this one there? |
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But... What if Wiggins fails in NCAA?!
And when I say fail, I mean at least that he does a good season, not more.
People put him very very high because he was awesome in high school, but HS is not NCAA and NCAA is not NBA.
Muhammad had so much pressure, having to be the #1 pick for 2013 back n 2010 or 11...
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wiggins aint bout dis lyfe
tellin yall, hes good, all star worthy,,but not superstar, dont think hes franchise quality. specially with reports about his bad behavior and how he disappears for stretches at a time. going from one superstar that is all about this life, work ethic bananas, dedication and will to win unmatched...to someone with a (bleep) behavior..idk
see, the problem is. kids nowadays are handed everything. contracts, hype, attention, etc...they hardly earn it..its given on the premise that they MAY one day become what they think he could potentionally become. well thats a risky gamble.
so yea..he aint bout dis life |
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| Important Night tonight: MSU vs Kentucky and Duke vs Kansas battle of Wiggins and Parker, whats makes this crazy is there could 20 first round picks in those 2 games ALONE, thats (bleep) unheard of All NBA teams will be watching tonight at the game 4-5 scouts DEEP |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| 63 NBA scouts at this game lol |
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| mastersworddude wrote: | | 63 NBA scouts at this game lol |
INCREDIBLE!!! |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Great win for the lakeshow tonight. Tank on!! |
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Dont tank for wiggins. Choose another one, Wiggins will take a few years to develop and even then there's no guarantees that he will be better than vince carter. Ok, dont tank at all. Let's make our scrub squad world beaters and shock the world
Let's go Lakers
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| Most mocks now have the Lakers having a chance to take Marcus Smart. What do you think? |
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| KB#8,#24 wrote: | | Most mocks now have the Lakers having a chance to take Marcus Smart. What do you think? |
I play ball with him quite a bit. I do not feel he will be a superstar but he can be a solid NBA player. Big for the pg spot but still learning the position. He is the definition of a leader and he works his tail off every day. Strong defender and more athletic than people give him credit for. His jumper is his weakest part of his game. I call him Sasha because he can drain them in practice but not in the game. He can care less about the amount of points he puts on the board though. Normally people say it is all about winning but you feel it is a load of crap when they say it. I can tell you that with Marcus it is nothing but the truth. If winning means he has to play great D and have a stat line of 5/5/5 he WILL do it and not have a problem with it. He is a class act as well. He has battled a lot in his life and has matured a lot. There won't be any problems with him off the court. |
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| Potato-Mania wrote: | | KB#8,#24 wrote: | | Most mocks now have the Lakers having a chance to take Marcus Smart. What do you think? |
I play ball with him quite a bit. I do not feel he will be a superstar but he can be a solid NBA player. Big for the pg spot but still learning the position. He is the definition of a leader and he works his tail off every day. Strong defender and more athletic than people give him credit for. His jumper is his weakest part of his game. I call him Sasha because he can drain them in practice but not in the game. He can care less about the amount of points he puts on the board though. Normally people say it is all about winning but you feel it is a load of crap when they say it. I can tell you that with Marcus it is nothing but the truth. If winning means he has to play great D and have a stat line of 5/5/5 he WILL do it and not have a problem with it. He is a class act as well. He has battled a lot in his life and has matured a lot. There won't be any problems with him off the court. |
Thanks for the info  Very interesting. Solid, if not spectacular, pick. Makes me feel better about the Lakers possibly getting him.
OK, who else knows the other prospects personally? Give us the inside scoop!!! |
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| Fruscas wrote: | Dont tank for wiggins. Choose another one, Wiggins will take a few years to develop and even then there's no guarantees that he will be better than vince carter. Ok, dont tank at all. Let's make our scrub squad world beaters and shock the world
Let's go Lakers
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Wiggins is not afraid of contact... that alone makes him more than Carter
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| LakersChamps04 wrote: | wiggins aint bout dis lyfe
tellin yall, hes good, all star worthy,,but not superstar, dont think hes franchise quality. specially with reports about his bad behavior and how he disappears for stretches at a time. going from one superstar that is all about this life, work ethic bananas, dedication and will to win unmatched...to someone with a (bleep) behavior..idk
see, the problem is. kids nowadays are handed everything. contracts, hype, attention, etc...they hardly earn it..its given on the premise that they MAY one day become what they think he could potentionally become. well thats a risky gamble.
so yea..he aint bout dis life |
You couldn't be more wrong. Wiggins is a great kid. And the guy is a stud. |
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