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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject:

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Most mocks now have the Lakers having a chance to take Marcus Smart. What do you think?


I play ball with him quite a bit. I do not feel he will be a superstar but he can be a solid NBA player. Big for the pg spot but still learning the position. He is the definition of a leader and he works his tail off every day. Strong defender and more athletic than people give him credit for. His jumper is his weakest part of his game. I call him Sasha because he can drain them in practice but not in the game. He can care less about the amount of points he puts on the board though. Normally people say it is all about winning but you feel it is a load of crap when they say it. I can tell you that with Marcus it is nothing but the truth. If winning means he has to play great D and have a stat line of 5/5/5 he WILL do it and not have a problem with it. He is a class act as well. He has battled a lot in his life and has matured a lot. There won't be any problems with him off the court.


I like Smart alot. I think he has some Mamba blood in him, he is a true leader. I think he will fit well with Kobe, I can see him as a CP3 in terms of ability to manage the floor. In terms of play style I see Smart as Baron Davis. I think he will be a star/superstar in the league.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject:

Marcus Smart is Lebron James in a 6'4" body.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:11 am    Post subject:

Honestly none of these guys look freakishly athletic the way that LeBron or Russell Westbrook are.
Are any of them freakishly gifted as Kevin Durant?

Obviously these are the kinds of guys they will have to compete athletically (unless they're just supremely skilled) with to win championships.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject:

shnxx wrote:
Honestly none of these guys look freakishly athletic the way that LeBron or Russell Westbrook are.
Are any of them freakishly gifted as Kevin Durant?

Obviously these are the kinds of guys they will have to compete athletically (unless they're just supremely skilled) with to win championships.


The only guy that's on LeBron's level is Wiggins. He just hasn't fully exploited it yet.

Durant isn't freakishly athletic. 60th in combine. Just tall with a 7'5" wingspan and long strides. He doesn't get by people on quickness, just ball-handling. He's prone to getting stuck trying to use the crossover, and ends up settling for the jumpshot.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:51 am    Post subject:

Wiggins is too skinny to be compared to Lebron. I'd say he's closer to McRady.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:42 am    Post subject:

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You tank THIS YEAR because this is the year the Lakers aren't making any noise in the postseason anyway. Even when Kobe comes back, he won't be 100%. Nique said it took him a full year to feel like himself again. It'll probably be that way for Kobe, who won't be in the top condition to which he's accustomed. Then he's here for what, 2-3 more years maybe? Can't tank those seasons. So, no, the Lakers can't tank any year. It's this year or it's 4-5 years from now.

Really tired of people citing the Spurs like it's a comparable situation. The Spurs managed their team much differently (*cough* better *cough*) than we did over Duncan's and Kobe's careers. The Spurs managed their cap space while retaining their draft picks, giving them the flexibility in both finances and assets (a near constant influx of blue chip talent, usually stashed overseas) to draft the Parkers/Ginobilis/Tiagos/Scolas/Dragics and trade for the Kawhi's and Stephan Jacksons.

The Lakers, on the other hand, have had no such fortune. Their stars do not give hometown discounts (whether they should or not is beside the point). Their draft picks are given away to get under the cap. They round their rosters out with aging vet ring chasers and D-leaguers nobody has ever of, nor should ever have had to hear of. Everybody blamed D'Antoni while we were getting blown out of round 1 last year, but that blow-out was a decade plus in the making.

The Spurs cruised into the postseason fully healthy because their stars only have to play 30 mpg thanks to a deep/young bench, thanks to never trading first rounders, thanks to the stars giving up money to play for a more competitive team. The Lakers barely eked into the playoffs after their star player snapped his achilles because his team couldn't afford a decent enough bench with young legs required to survived an 82-game season. That's what happens when you spend your whole cap on 3-4 guys. Every once in a while, you end up having to give Andrew Goudelock major playoff minutes.

What message are you sending to top free agents by tanking? I don't know. What "message" did Boston send when they tried tanking for Durant/Oden? Whatever it was, it didn't seem to dissuade KG or Ray Allen none. It's moot anyway because "top free agents" aren't coming here next year. Lebron is not leaving Miami to come to this situation. And if this season teaches Melo anything (and it certainly won't be how to defend, create for his teammates, or stay in better shape), it'll be that he has to play on a more talented team. This Laker team ain't it. Nevermind all the millions he'd have to give up to come to a team that's barely more talented than the one he's on.

Players don't care about "messages" or "the brand" anymore. It's money + talent. The Clippers sent the worst "message" any team could for the last two decades and yet they're the hotter team right now. It's all about the best combination of dollars and help. KG was very anti-Boston until he found out Ray would be going there, too. That's when he waived his no-trade agreement. Pierce + Ray. Didn't care about the "message" Boston sent. Kobe is not enough to get Lebron or Melo to come here.

But Kobe + a hyped up draft pick or, ya know, whatever disgruntled all-star on another team could be acquired for that draft pick, much like Ray Allen was acquired for Boston's pick--might be. HMMMMMM

The Lakers are actually more likely to attract a "top free agent" next year by tanking than by breaking their necks to be 1st round cannon fodder. If they can get a high enough pick in this year's draft, you might be able to use that pick to get Kevin Love, Rondo (not wild about him at this point, but that's an example), or who knows. You get one of those guys, and THEN maybe Melo or Lebron takes a long look at this team.


Great post.

Why was this thread moved?

Anyway... It looks like 2016 is the plan to make our next big splash barring some trade out of nowhere. Which I'm fine since there will be some stars available. But, to beat a dead horse, if that's the case then why not position yourself in this year's draft to maximize your stable of assets. You can trade it if their is a disgruntled superstar next year and their always seems to be one or two of those.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject:

Grammer wrote:
Wiggins is too skinny to be compared to Lebron. I'd say he's closer to McRady.


Jordan was skinny at UNC his first year. Let's see how this kid bulks up.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:16 pm    Post subject:

With Kobe's injury the Lakers still won't have a chance to get Wiggins, but I can potentially see Aaron Gordon.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject:

Can we move this back to the lounge? Or are the mods still in denial?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:27 am    Post subject:

AIRZOOMKOBE2k5 wrote:
Can we move this back to the lounge? Or are the mods still in denial?


This thread has nothing to do with the lakers.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject:

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AIRZOOMKOBE2k5 wrote:
Can we move this back to the lounge? Or are the mods still in denial?


This thread has nothing to do with the lakers.


It has EVERYTHING to do with the lakers. They have a 2014 draft pick. 75% of the fan base believe we should tank and position ourselves for the future.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject:

AIRZOOMKOBE2k5 wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
AIRZOOMKOBE2k5 wrote:
Can we move this back to the lounge? Or are the mods still in denial?


This thread has nothing to do with the lakers.


It has EVERYTHING to do with the lakers. They have a 2014 draft pick. 75% of the fan base believe we should tank and position ourselves for the future.

where do you get that number?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject:

lol no way. 75% of the fan base believes that we can win every single game we play. The LG is a very niche fan place and in no way can represent the majority of Lakers fans. Of course the same logic applies for almost any website in the internet
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject:

AY2043 wrote:
AIRZOOMKOBE2k5 wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
AIRZOOMKOBE2k5 wrote:
Can we move this back to the lounge? Or are the mods still in denial?


This thread has nothing to do with the lakers.


It has EVERYTHING to do with the lakers. They have a 2014 draft pick. 75% of the fan base believe we should tank and position ourselves for the future.

where do you get that number?


He got that info here:

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=165068

72% of LG (who voted). Not quite 75% but he was close.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject:

shnxx wrote:
Honestly none of these guys look freakishly athletic the way that LeBron or Russell Westbrook are.
Are any of them freakishly gifted as Kevin Durant?

Obviously these are the kinds of guys they will have to compete athletically (unless they're just supremely skilled) with to win championships.


I don't know about that. Zach LaVine looks freakishly athletic in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd8ha83INCs
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject:

seriously mods can we bring this thread back to the lounge
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject:

making progress
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:34 pm    Post subject:

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seriously mods can we bring this thread back to the lounge


Mods have too much pride to tank
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject:

Can we move it now? We lost 6 in a row and are official tanking mods.
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