And I have to say, I liked the scene with Dany and Drogon in the fighting pit better in the book. I just reread it again after I watched the episode. If anyone else wants to revisit it, it's on pgs 695-699 of book 5.
Yet another departure from the books solely meant to create shock value.
Another example of the showrunners' weird desire to make the show more brutal than the books.
Even odder is that it's GRRM's decision. Probably GRRM thought he wasn't going to let the showrunners keep one-upping him on the brutality factor and struck first.
I don't think it is. GRRM didn't write any of the episodes this season, and has only written one per season previous to this one. If GRRM has to read every script and okay them before they shoot, this is the first I've heard of it. As far as I know, he gave most of the control for the show to David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
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TheJellosJigglin' wrote:
And I have to say, I liked the scene with Dany and Drogon in the fighting pit better in the book. I just reread it again after I watched the episode. If anyone else wants to revisit it, it's on pgs 695-699 of book 5.
They've improved all the Meereen stuff. Martin really needs a better editor.
Yet another departure from the books solely meant to create shock value.
Another example of the showrunners' weird desire to make the show more brutal than the books.
Even odder is that it's GRRM's decision. Probably GRRM thought he wasn't going to let the showrunners keep one-upping him on the brutality factor and struck first.
I don't think it is. GRRM didn't write any of the episodes this season, and has only written one per season previous to this one. If GRRM has to read every script and okay them before they shoot, this is the first I've heard of it. As far as I know, he gave most of the control for the show to David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
In the Inside the Episode clip, they stated that he told them the idea.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:24 pm Post subject:
TheJellosJigglin' wrote:
rwongega wrote:
TheJellosJigglin' wrote:
rwongega wrote:
Yet another departure from the books solely meant to create shock value.
Another example of the showrunners' weird desire to make the show more brutal than the books.
Even odder is that it's GRRM's decision. Probably GRRM thought he wasn't going to let the showrunners keep one-upping him on the brutality factor and struck first.
I don't think it is. GRRM didn't write any of the episodes this season, and has only written one per season previous to this one. If GRRM has to read every script and okay them before they shoot, this is the first I've heard of it. As far as I know, he gave most of the control for the show to David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
It's in the "Inside the Episode" with DB/DW. According to them GRRM came up with this.
It's in the "Inside the Episode" with DB/DW. According to them GRRM came up with this.
It may be in the future book. So for once the book readers might get something spoiled. Of course, we likely won't throw a hissy fit like the non-readers do.
Okay, just watched it. I think you're right, about it being a spoiler for book readers. Seemed that way by the way they phrased it in the video.
And I have to say, I liked the scene with Dany and Drogon in the fighting pit better in the book. I just reread it again after I watched the episode. If anyone else wants to revisit it, it's on pgs 695-699 of book 5.
They've improved all the Meereen stuff. Martin really needs a better editor.
You mean the storyline that nearly every show watcher has been complaining about?
Drogon did look great though, and the dragons have always looked great in the show thus far. I have to give the special effects people their due, they've done a fantastic job.
Yet another departure from the books solely meant to create shock value.
Another example of the showrunners' weird desire to make the show more brutal than the books.
Even odder is that it's GRRM's decision. Probably GRRM thought he wasn't going to let the showrunners keep one-upping him on the brutality factor and struck first.
I don't think it is. GRRM didn't write any of the episodes this season, and has only written one per season previous to this one. If GRRM has to read every script and okay them before they shoot, this is the first I've heard of it. As far as I know, he gave most of the control for the show to David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
It's in the "Inside the Episode" with DB/DW. According to them GRRM came up with this.
It may be in the future book. So for once the book readers might get something spoiled. Of course, we likely won't throw a hissy fit like the non-readers do.
I had a mini hissy fit when I saw it, before the Inside the Episode viewing. It definitely seemed too big to not go in the books, hence spoiler. Though the Walker reveals have been great to see, already had misgivings seeing so much more of their capability than in the books. Shireen was now a specific event that I dread reading about it lol.
"Everywhere in the world they hurt little girls" - genius line from TVs Cersei that I don't think is in the books. Shatteringly true, in all worlds, and revelatory for Cersei herself. I almost despise Stannis now as much as I do David Stern. Yes, F U Stern. Digression ended
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:24 am Post subject:
TheJellosJigglin' wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
TheJellosJigglin' wrote:
And I have to say, I liked the scene with Dany and Drogon in the fighting pit better in the book. I just reread it again after I watched the episode. If anyone else wants to revisit it, it's on pgs 695-699 of book 5.
They've improved all the Meereen stuff. Martin really needs a better editor.
You mean the storyline that nearly every show watcher has been complaining about?
I thought that was Dorne...
You can pretty much merge this thread with the show thread now. There's nothing to spoil anymore.
anyone have an idea why we didn't get Tyrion meeting Griff?
It would be too complicated for TV viewers, and also might expand the series too long. Lots of TV viewers get confused by additional characters. Many didn't realize that we'd seen Kevan or Myrcella before although it was a different actress. There are many examples.
New Game of Thrones Information Adds Fuel to the “Jon Snow Lives” Conspiracy
June 23, 2015
Quote:
Season 6 Casting Info: A lot of additional Season 6 casting news has come to light since the finale. As the series diverges further and further from the books, we’re seeing more calls for characters that book readers don’t recognize. But some educated guesses are easy enough. For example, two non-white actors who have to speak a fictional language? I think we can safely assume those characters belong to the Dothraki horde Danaerys meets. But the most interesting casting call is for an unnamed “Legendary Fighter.” He is described as:
“A man in his thirties or forties who is a great swordsman and a paragon of knighthood. He carries a hugely famous sword on his back. The show is seeking a very impressive swordsman for the role—the best in Europe, for a week of filming fight scenes for a season 6 role. His ethnicity/race isn’t specified, unlike many other roles.”
Most book readers have concluded this is a call for a character named Arthur Dayne, referred to in the books as “Sword of the Morning” because of his famous ancestral blade. Dayne was the best friend of Dany’s brother Rhaegar Targaryen and carried a sword named Dawn slung across his back. Dayne is long dead when the action of the TV series Game of Thrones begins so he would only show up in flashbacks. And if you don’t want to know why a flashback starring Arthur Dayne is good news for Jon Snow truthers, then you might want to stop reading here.
The only good reason to show Arthur Dayne in flashback at this point is if Game of Thrones was going to do the evocative Tower of Joy plot from the books. In the first book, Ned Stark flashes back to the Tower of Joy while under the influence of Milk of the Poppy. In his dream, Ned’s friends accompany him to the Tower at the end of Robert Baratheon’s rebellion. These seven men—Ned, Howland Reed, Lord Willam Dustin, Ethan Glover, Martyn Cassel, Theo Wull, and Mark Ryswell—square off against three members of the Kingsguard named Gerold Hightower, Arthur Dayne, and Oswell Whent.
Dayne et. al. are protecting Ned’s sister Lyanna who is staying in the Tower after having been “abducted” by Rhaegar. You’ll remember that Littlefinger and Sansa discussed the story of Lyanna and Rhaegar in the crypts of Winterfell last season. Rhaegar is dead by the time Ned reaches the Tower of Joy, so many book readers assume that the presence of the Kingsguard there means that someone royal (a.k.a. Rhaegar’s child) is in that tower with Lyanna. At the end of the battle only Howland Reed (father to Bran’s friends Jojen and Meera) and Ned survive. Ned rushes into the tower too late to save Lyanna, but makes her an unspecified promise as she dies. Most book readers believe that promise is to guard the identity of Lyanna and Rhaegar’s child a.k.a. Jon Snow. Ned pulled down the Tower to mark the graves of the men who fought there and returned Arthur Dayne’s sword Dawn to his family.
So, in short, most believe that the story of the Tower of Joy is the story of Jon Snow’s birth. And why would the show bother, at this point, to show the legendary birth of a character they plan to keep dead? The only reason to tell the story of the Tower of Joy—be it via the lone survivor Howland Reed or a vision from Bran—is to establish Jon Snow’s bonafides as a secret Targaryen who is worthy of resurrection. Jon Snow’s parentage has been a long-running mystery in Game of Thrones fandom and seems as important to the show as it is to the books. Weiss and Benioff claim they landed the rights to adapt Martin’s books because they successfully answered his question, “Who is Jon Snow’s mother?” So why would Snow’s parentage be important? Why cast Dayne and film the Tower of Joy if not to bring him back from the dead? We’ll know for certain next year, but for now it’s looking awfully like a return for the erstwhile Lord Commander.
New Game of Thrones Information Adds Fuel to the “Jon Snow Lives” Conspiracy
June 23, 2015
Quote:
Season 6 Casting Info: A lot of additional Season 6 casting news has come to light since the finale. As the series diverges further and further from the books, we’re seeing more calls for characters that book readers don’t recognize. But some educated guesses are easy enough. For example, two non-white actors who have to speak a fictional language? I think we can safely assume those characters belong to the Dothraki horde Danaerys meets. But the most interesting casting call is for an unnamed “Legendary Fighter.” He is described as:
“A man in his thirties or forties who is a great swordsman and a paragon of knighthood. He carries a hugely famous sword on his back. The show is seeking a very impressive swordsman for the role—the best in Europe, for a week of filming fight scenes for a season 6 role. His ethnicity/race isn’t specified, unlike many other roles.”
Most book readers have concluded this is a call for a character named Arthur Dayne, referred to in the books as “Sword of the Morning” because of his famous ancestral blade. Dayne was the best friend of Dany’s brother Rhaegar Targaryen and carried a sword named Dawn slung across his back. Dayne is long dead when the action of the TV series Game of Thrones begins so he would only show up in flashbacks. And if you don’t want to know why a flashback starring Arthur Dayne is good news for Jon Snow truthers, then you might want to stop reading here.
The only good reason to show Arthur Dayne in flashback at this point is if Game of Thrones was going to do the evocative Tower of Joy plot from the books. In the first book, Ned Stark flashes back to the Tower of Joy while under the influence of Milk of the Poppy. In his dream, Ned’s friends accompany him to the Tower at the end of Robert Baratheon’s rebellion. These seven men—Ned, Howland Reed, Lord Willam Dustin, Ethan Glover, Martyn Cassel, Theo Wull, and Mark Ryswell—square off against three members of the Kingsguard named Gerold Hightower, Arthur Dayne, and Oswell Whent.
Dayne et. al. are protecting Ned’s sister Lyanna who is staying in the Tower after having been “abducted” by Rhaegar. You’ll remember that Littlefinger and Sansa discussed the story of Lyanna and Rhaegar in the crypts of Winterfell last season. Rhaegar is dead by the time Ned reaches the Tower of Joy, so many book readers assume that the presence of the Kingsguard there means that someone royal (a.k.a. Rhaegar’s child) is in that tower with Lyanna. At the end of the battle only Howland Reed (father to Bran’s friends Jojen and Meera) and Ned survive. Ned rushes into the tower too late to save Lyanna, but makes her an unspecified promise as she dies. Most book readers believe that promise is to guard the identity of Lyanna and Rhaegar’s child a.k.a. Jon Snow. Ned pulled down the Tower to mark the graves of the men who fought there and returned Arthur Dayne’s sword Dawn to his family.
So, in short, most believe that the story of the Tower of Joy is the story of Jon Snow’s birth. And why would the show bother, at this point, to show the legendary birth of a character they plan to keep dead? The only reason to tell the story of the Tower of Joy—be it via the lone survivor Howland Reed or a vision from Bran—is to establish Jon Snow’s bonafides as a secret Targaryen who is worthy of resurrection. Jon Snow’s parentage has been a long-running mystery in Game of Thrones fandom and seems as important to the show as it is to the books. Weiss and Benioff claim they landed the rights to adapt Martin’s books because they successfully answered his question, “Who is Jon Snow’s mother?” So why would Snow’s parentage be important? Why cast Dayne and film the Tower of Joy if not to bring him back from the dead? We’ll know for certain next year, but for now it’s looking awfully like a return for the erstwhile Lord Commander.
I read the first book only so I stayed away from this thread until the show caught on.
I've recently read theories and I really like this one!
My guess would be that this would be the opening episode in s6...? I can't really see any time, if the producers really wants to put this story line in the show, to present this!
In the books, Ned was the one who flashbacked the whole thing. Ned's dead, so who's left to get high and flashback?
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Something's gotta be up with Bran and Jon. Both in the North, Jon a warg, Bran with his treevision and warg ability. At the beginning of the most recent book, the one where Jon dies, the prologue is all about a warg and his abilities with animals and people, and mentions Jon Snow's warg abilities. So bookends with stuff about Jon and Jon says Ghost at the end there in the book as he dies. Bran can't just be hanging out growing moss in the north forever.
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