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thumpinghead Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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dhemmati wrote: | LeBron had a 18, 18, 10, and it was considered a bad game. Enough.
This is not even a close comparison anymore. Primes? Maybe, but right now, no.
You are also not taking into account that Kobe will never be the same Kobe.
This achilles injury is being forgotten by all the fans.
Regardless of how soon he comes back, this injury will completely take away all of his athleticism, and we will be lucky to see him average 22 a game.
Anyway, enough with this no killer instinct thing. LeBron has also become the most clutch player in the league.
Just because his under 5-minute shots and game winners are layups rather than jump shots does not make it any less impressive; rather, it actually makes him even more impressive. |
get this heat fan outta here. stats mean nothing if you dont win the game right?
Kobes injury means NOTHING. Lebron still has alot to prove before hes Kobes age, and he better get started he has 5 years to win 4 titles to catch up to Kobe.
Nobody cares if you score a layup versus a fadaway. If you love athleticism so much SHAQ is a way better player then Lebron. _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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thumpinghead Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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and shaq was a laker _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently in miami people can see into the future. _________________ Kobe |
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murasakiANDgold Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Peanutz wrote: | Cmon bro lets be real here. Lebron is the best player in the NBA, even if you don't like him. |
So what did the "best player" do when he got the inbound pass in the corner with 5 seconds left in game 1 of the finals and down by 4? He passed it!!!!!! He passed it like a hot potato! Kobe would of taken a 3 pointer out of that corner 100 times out of 100. Lebron doesn't have that Mamba DNA. The best player would not have passed it in that situation down 4. End of story. Kobe is and will always be better than Lebron. End of story. |
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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murasakiANDgold wrote: | Peanutz wrote: | Cmon bro lets be real here. Lebron is the best player in the NBA, even if you don't like him. |
So what did the "best player" do when he got the inbound pass in the corner with 5 seconds left in game 1 of the finals and down by 4? He passed it!!!!!! He passed it like a hot potato! Kobe would of taken a 3 pointer out of that corner 100 times out of 100. Lebron doesn't have that Mamba DNA. The best player would not have passed it in that situation down 4. End of story. Kobe is and will always be better than Lebron. End of story. |
He's the same player who's admitted he won't take a shot when he is on the other side of the court and the quarter (first, second, third) is about to end because he does not want a low shooting percentage.
Modern nba stars. Nauseating. _________________ Kobe |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe still has the better career, but LBJ is putting up unheard of stats, has developed his game, is dominant on both ends, is definitely the man on his team, and is in his third straight finals with a chance to win back to back rings. I'd say he's the top dog of right now.
I don't know that terms like "spitting venom" really trump that. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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thumpinghead Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | murasakiANDgold wrote: | Peanutz wrote: | Cmon bro lets be real here. Lebron is the best player in the NBA, even if you don't like him. |
So what did the "best player" do when he got the inbound pass in the corner with 5 seconds left in game 1 of the finals and down by 4? He passed it!!!!!! He passed it like a hot potato! Kobe would of taken a 3 pointer out of that corner 100 times out of 100. Lebron doesn't have that Mamba DNA. The best player would not have passed it in that situation down 4. End of story. Kobe is and will always be better than Lebron. End of story. |
He's the same player who's admitted he won't take a shot when he is on the other side of the court and the quarter (first, second, third) is about to end because he does not want a low shooting percentage.
Modern nba stars. Nauseating. |
KOBE is old school. He walked and shot his free throws without a tendon.
WTF do you think Lebron would have done? _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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ucntgrd24 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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sure, nothing wrong with being biased, but you're still being delusional
one guy is 34 and in the twilight of his career
the other guy is 28, in his prime and a physical specimen
legacy and best-player-today are two completely different arguments |
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | Kobe still has the better career, but LBJ is putting up unheard of stats, has developed his game, is dominant on both ends, is definitely the man on his team, and is in his third straight finals with a chance to win back to back rings. I'd say he's the top dog of right now.
I don't know that terms like "spitting venom" really trump that. |
Unheard of stats as in 30 points on 60% shooting for 6 straight games? _________________ Kobe |
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murasakiANDgold Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | murasakiANDgold wrote: | Peanutz wrote: | Cmon bro lets be real here. Lebron is the best player in the NBA, even if you don't like him. |
So what did the "best player" do when he got the inbound pass in the corner with 5 seconds left in game 1 of the finals and down by 4? He passed it!!!!!! He passed it like a hot potato! Kobe would of taken a 3 pointer out of that corner 100 times out of 100. Lebron doesn't have that Mamba DNA. The best player would not have passed it in that situation down 4. End of story. Kobe is and will always be better than Lebron. End of story. |
He's the same player who's admitted he won't take a shot when he is on the other side of the court and the quarter (first, second, third) is about to end because he does not want a low shooting percentage.
Modern nba stars. Nauseating. |
Kobe has balls of steel. Lebron has the balls of a parrot. You're down by 4 with 5 seconds left. Shoot the 3 pointer and you're only down by 1 with 3 seconds left. You still have a shot to win. But Lebron passes it to whoever it was down low and they miss. A LEGEND would have buried that shot in the corner and made another 3 on the next play and won the game. That's how legends are made. Not by passing the ball like Lebron did. Kobe is a LEGEND. Lebron is nearing 30 years old and he has like 2 game winning shots LOL!!! |
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thumpinghead Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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ucntgrd24 wrote: | sure, nothing wrong with being biased, but you're still being delusional
one guy is 34 and in the twilight of his career
the other guy is 28, in his prime and a physical specimen
legacy and best-player-today are two completely different arguments |
Lebron has a lot of legacy building he has to do. Kobe was already a legend at 28 _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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murasakiANDgold Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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thumpinghead wrote: |
Lebron has a lot of legacy building he has to do. Kobe was already a legend at 28 |
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ucntgrd24 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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thumpinghead wrote: | ucntgrd24 wrote: | sure, nothing wrong with being biased, but you're still being delusional
one guy is 34 and in the twilight of his career
the other guy is 28, in his prime and a physical specimen
legacy and best-player-today are two completely different arguments |
Lebron has a lot of legacy building he has to do. Kobe was already a legend at 28 |
ok but how does that address the topic of this thread?
sorry, but objectively, Kobe is not the best player in the NBA today. Can Kobe consistently score at a high clip and guard the best player night in and night out???? NO, he cannot |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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CaBron is the top dog now in the NBA, time takes it s toll. Kobe was LeBron is.
We need to take the blinders off...
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Peanutz Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Darth Los Angeles wrote: | x75274 wrote: | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | x75274 wrote: | Kobe even at his very best would have had a hard time outproducing Lebron in a playoff setting. |
And you're basing this on... absolutely nothing. |
I chose to ignore that comment. It wasn't even worth fleshing it out. |
Im sure its as laughable as u saying Bryant is better than Lebron now...you have a point several years ago. Now you look like an idiot |
Chill with the names man. Just discuss the topic. | Discuss what?
Lebron is the best player in the NBA nuff said. |
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murasakiANDgold Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Peanutz wrote: | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | x75274 wrote: | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | x75274 wrote: | Kobe even at his very best would have had a hard time outproducing Lebron in a playoff setting. |
And you're basing this on... absolutely nothing. |
I chose to ignore that comment. It wasn't even worth fleshing it out. |
Im sure its as laughable as u saying Bryant is better than Lebron now...you have a point several years ago. Now you look like an idiot |
Chill with the names man. Just discuss the topic. | Discuss what?
Lebron is the best player in the NBA nuff said. |
You are just swinging on Lebron's tiny balls right now |
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Darth Los Angeles Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | Kobe still has the better career, but LBJ is putting up unheard of stats, has developed his game, is dominant on both ends, is definitely the man on his team, and is in his third straight finals with a chance to win back to back rings. I'd say he's the top dog of right now.
I don't know that terms like "spitting venom" really trump that. |
The thing that clouds all of this is Lebron running to play with Wade and Bosh. The Heat as a unit are head and shoulders better than everyone on the Eastern Conference except for the Pacers. Even then, it's not because they are a better team, it's just the players that were collected. Lebron knew is he stacked the deck he would win a ring. The problem is that despite Cleveland not being able to put the right pieces around him, Lebron STILL had some developing and learning to do in reference to his individual game.
When he ran off to Miami all he did was find a way to temporarily mask the deficiencies in is game by having other great players play in the role he is reluctant to accept. Now that Wade has lost a step and Bosh is being played out of position, you are seeing the same choker and indecisive Lebron that played in Cle.
As far as his numbers are concerned, you know, I really don't care. He should get those numbers being a facilitator in an offense that has Bosh, Wade, Allen, and Battier.
People keep saying Lebron has developed his game? I just don't see it. I really don't. This guy is in year ten! He is still playing off of his athleticism.
Kobe on the other hand came into the league with a raw skill set that was 100% scalable. By the time 2003 came around Kobe was complete. That is 7 yrs in. Lebron still isn't complete. _________________ “There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level.” ―Bruce Lee |
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Darth Los Angeles Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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ucntgrd24 wrote: | thumpinghead wrote: | ucntgrd24 wrote: | sure, nothing wrong with being biased, but you're still being delusional
one guy is 34 and in the twilight of his career
the other guy is 28, in his prime and a physical specimen
legacy and best-player-today are two completely different arguments |
Lebron has a lot of legacy building he has to do. Kobe was already a legend at 28 |
ok but how does that address the topic of this thread?
sorry, but objectively, Kobe is not the best player in the NBA today. Can Kobe consistently score at a high clip and guard the best player night in and night out???? NO, he cannot |
I disagree sir. But what does it matter if Lebron doesn't have the heart or courage to kill his opponent? To me it's very obvious. Lebron the better athlete. But even then, he really isn't more agile than Kobe. Lebron about 75% power. That's why he's been doing the same dunk since middle school.
Kobe has slayed so many of these athletic cats and he is still doing it. My money is on the Mamba! Still! _________________ “There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level.” ―Bruce Lee |
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Darth Los Angeles wrote: | By the time 2003 came around Kobe was complete. |
That is not entirely true. Kobe has developed many parts of his game after 2003. He added a floater, improved his hookshot, learned a one legged jump shot, and greatly improved his footwork, especially when his athleticism started to decline. _________________ Kobe |
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ucntgrd24 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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this thread is pointless as you are obviously immune to logic
you have some support here because it's a lakers forum, but you would get laughed out of the convo in any other place
and don't think for one second that I'm not a huge Kobe fan, see my handle |
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Darth Los Angeles Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | By the time 2003 came around Kobe was complete. |
That is not entirely true. Kobe has developed many parts of his game after 2003. He added a floater, improved his hookshot, learned a one legged jump shot, and greatly improved his footwork, especially when his athleticism started to decline. |
Well, this is coming from the horses mouth. Kobe said he was complete in 2003 in an interview a few months back. _________________ “There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level.” ―Bruce Lee |
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Peanutz Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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murasakiANDgold wrote: | Peanutz wrote: | Cmon bro lets be real here. Lebron is the best player in the NBA, even if you don't like him. |
So what did the "best player" do when he got the inbound pass in the corner with 5 seconds left in game 1 of the finals and down by 4? He passed it!!!!!! He passed it like a hot potato! Kobe would of taken a 3 pointer out of that corner 100 times out of 100. Lebron doesn't have that Mamba DNA. The best player would not have passed it in that situation down 4. End of story. Kobe is and will always be better than Lebron. End of story. | Let me say first i'm a Lakers fan and a big fan of Kobe but...
I'm not a homer Kobe fan, I respect his game and his overall body of work is better than Lebron's. But when you have people who say homer statements like Kobe is the best player in the NBA currently and Kobe is and always will be better than Lebron is just crazy.
So if Kobe is the best player in the NBA how come he only led this team to a 8th seed in the West. (Not bashing Kobe, just trying to explain to the Kobe fan boys that think he is the best player in the NBA). Meanwhile Lebron is playing in the Finals for the 3rd straight year. If Kobe was the best player in the NBA we should have been better than a 8th seed.
Having said that I would take prime Kobe over prime Lebron any day of the week. |
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Darth Los Angeles Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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ucntgrd24 wrote: | this thread is pointless as you are obviously immune to logic
you have some support here because it's a lakers forum, but you would get laughed out of the convo in any other place
and don't think for one second that I'm not a huge Kobe fan, see my handle |
Immune to logic?
Your argument is basically this:
"We don't care of he is a choker or lacks heart. All that matters is he puts up numbers and that makes him the best." _________________ “There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level.” ―Bruce Lee |
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Peanutz Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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murasakiANDgold wrote: | Peanutz wrote: | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | x75274 wrote: | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | x75274 wrote: | Kobe even at his very best would have had a hard time outproducing Lebron in a playoff setting. |
And you're basing this on... absolutely nothing. |
I chose to ignore that comment. It wasn't even worth fleshing it out. |
Im sure its as laughable as u saying Bryant is better than Lebron now...you have a point several years ago. Now you look like an idiot |
Chill with the names man. Just discuss the topic. | Discuss what?
Lebron is the best player in the NBA nuff said. |
You are just swinging on Lebron's tiny balls right now | No i'm just telling the truth. Who is better than Lebron right now? |
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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thumpinghead wrote: | dhemmati wrote: | LeBron had a 18, 18, 10, and it was considered a bad game. Enough.
This is not even a close comparison anymore. Primes? Maybe, but right now, no.
You are also not taking into account that Kobe will never be the same Kobe.
This achilles injury is being forgotten by all the fans.
Regardless of how soon he comes back, this injury will completely take away all of his athleticism, and we will be lucky to see him average 22 a game.
Anyway, enough with this no killer instinct thing. LeBron has also become the most clutch player in the league.
Just because his under 5-minute shots and game winners are layups rather than jump shots does not make it any less impressive; rather, it actually makes him even more impressive. |
get this heat fan outta here. stats mean nothing if you dont win the game right?
Kobes injury means NOTHING. Lebron still has alot to prove before hes Kobes age, and he better get started he has 5 years to win 4 titles to catch up to Kobe.
Nobody cares if you score a layup versus a fadaway. If you love athleticism so much SHAQ is a way better player then Lebron. |
LOL Kobe is my favorite player by far. Nothing wrong with being objective.
I also did not ever mention one thing about athleticism.
I said in their prime it's a fair question, but right now, no.
About winning games, LeBron just won a ring and is in the finals, while our Lakers...yeah.
I'm not a Heat fan at all, and I don't even like LeBron.
What's wrong with being objective? |
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