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| Tagurt wrote: | Lakers > Spurs as an organization
Shaq > Duncan > Kobe as players |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | KobeIsTheOne wrote: | I have absolutely no problem rooting for the Spurs in this year's Finals.
The Spurs will have won 5 titles during the Duncan/Pop era, ostensibly equaling the Lakers dynasty in terms of overall greatness.
It becomes closer, for sure, but the Lakers still undeniably get the nod - for starters, they MADE IT to more NBA Finals, 7>5. They also managed to REPEAT as Champions, TWICE, and strung together a THREEPEAT for the first run. Defending your crown is much more difficult than taking a "breather" in between title defenses - it is indicative of sustained excellence, and being able to overcome all challengers and obstacles.
Secondly, the Lakers always got the best of the Spurs - Pop was sincerely upset when Shaq left because he knew he wouldn't get another shot at us. He compared Shaq leaving to the dissolving of the USSR.
Lastly, Kobe's individual numbers always outshined Duncan, particularly in head to head matchups. The biggest argument against Duncan's "legacy" this year is that it's universal that Parker is the best player on this squad now. Kobe's legacy as the best player of this generation is secure, regardless of what the outcome of the Finals are this year. However, I believe that Duncan (like Kobe) remaining with one team throughout his career, and also winning a 5th title would nudge him slightly over Shaq in the legacy department. |
stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
yup yup.
Just look at rule changes. Rule changes were made to slow shaq down (pro-perimeter, zone). On the other hand, rule changes seemed to help Duncan. He who needs help is the lesser player.
And for Kobe, they don't even change the rules. They just temporarily disable them when he's on the court.  Now that's real dominance. |
but they cant see this. they still can't see the handicap that these other guys are given.
they dont understand shaq walked in the nba bowling a 280, got to the lakers in his prime and was bowling a perfect 300, with NO handicap whatsoever.
Tim duncan walked in withe another bigman(bad back but still a legend) helping him lock up the paint, and timmy came into the nba getting calls he didnt deserve. timmy was also a 7 foot center with moves and a nice faceup game similar to drob just a bit slower. yet timmy played pf most of his career. sure he played some C. but he played PF because he didnt want to deal with really strong guys. so he plays PF to tower over his opponents. again that is a slight handicap as well. what are you afraid of timmy? you dont want to guard shaq all night every night? i think not.
and lets be clear. when duncan's team played shaq. they doubled shaq. but the lakers were not a doubling team. so we left our sorry pf's that we knew couldnt guard timmy on an island most of the game. this is a known fact.
so whatever shaq did to the spurs he did it to multiple guys guarding him. so lets say shaq averaged (in his prime) 24 ppg at above 50% fg vs the spurs. thats going thru double teams
duncan lets say he averaged the same 24 ppg vs the lakers. thats going thru single coverage. where the coverage isnt even shaq its horry or something like that. thats not the same 24ppg shaq got. thats more like 18ppg + 6 points of handicap since he gets to go 1 vs 1 all game long with a lesser player.
but again, most fans cant see that.
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| 67ShelbyGT wrote: | If Spurs get #5, only ONE thing spurs overtake from Lakers of the same era... Spurs FO > Lakers FO.
Nothing else. And that's not a slap the great doctor by any means. Just means during the era Buford/Pop managed talent better, found gems with same low picks where we may have swung for the fences one too many times taking shortcuts w FA. |
but even that is a silly argument.
how is the spurs FO better then the lakers FO? when the spurs have been to less finals? when the spurs can never win back 2 backs.
do you understand how difficult it is to win it all back to back then do it one more time for the 3 peat?
thats why its not being done by many teams or never has been done by a lot of teams.
only a small group of teams have been able to pull that off. and as much as the lakers have been able to do that. it tells you about our FO. no only are we good at putting pieces together to win a ring. we are great at knowing when NOT to pull the plug on a roster so we can win it again. i told you guys this before. part of the reason the spurs never win it twice in a row. is because the spurs are so good at tweaking their roster and keeping it going. that they OVER tweak at times. when they have a winning situation. they will move pieces around anyway. there are times you need to stand pat. the spurs ORG does not understand that concept.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
But one of the few who could slow a prime Shaq was a prime Duncan.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
But one of the few who could slow a prime Shaq was a prime Duncan. |
When did this happen?? What do you mean by "could slow"? Did he or did he not? Maybe prime Duncan slowed Shaq all the way from 30ppg to 25ppg.
The only "slowing" of prime Shaq I've ever seen is during the Portland series. And it took a borderline illegal defense to do it (Portland was basically zoning Shaq a year before zone was allowed). And it took a magnificent defensive performance by Pippen, who was roaming. Pippen's defensive performance that series is still one of the most impressive I have ever seen. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | Also, half the time, Duncan wasn't even arguably the best player on his team. In the beginning, you could have said Robinson was better. In the middle, it was sometimes a tie between Ginobli and Duncan. In the latter half, Parker was the better one.
Very few years where Duncan was even the clear cut best on his team. I like that. And we're talking Robinson, Parker, Gibobli. These aren't even top 10 players.
At least with Shaq, towards the end of his Laker career, it took GOAT level Kobe to equal/surpass him. Plus all the rule changes of course. Shaq had (according to my count) at least 3 unstoppable years robbed from him by rule changes. And I don't mean Lebron type unstoppable years (i.e. fake and hyped). I mean the real deal, 1999-2000 type years. |
There was never a tie between Duncan and Robinson in the beginning. And there wasn't a tie between he and Ginobili. But we know about you and your habit of saying things that have no basis in reality, so this isn't surprising. You could make a case for Parker in 2007 (though I would disagree) and now. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
But one of the few who could slow a prime Shaq was a prime Duncan. |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | how is the spurs FO better then the lakers FO? when the spurs have been to less finals? when the spurs can never win back 2 backs. |
Let's look at the timeline on how they did since the mid 90s.
1996 - Signed Shaq because LA is an attractive destination for a guy who wants to go to Hollywood. He would never sign in SA. Drafted Kobe but I wouldn't call it lucky as much as it was Jerry West's intuition.
1997 - SA managed to nab Duncan in the draft even though they are supposed to be a contender with D-Rob so I would say that is just as lucky as the Lakers being able to get Shaq.
2000 - Got Phil Jackson on board but that move forced Jerry West's departure, so it definitely did not come without sacrifice. However, for all of Phil's shortcomings no one can deny Phil's importance for our title runs and that the organization was better off with him than without him. At that time Pop still had very little coaching experience. Jackson would never even think about going to San Antonio and Peter Holt would never think about giving Phil as much power as Buss did.
2001, 2003 - SA drafted Parker and Manu respectively. Thus started the wave of scouting potential foreign draft picks.
2004 - Got Malone and Payton onboard, and everyone would have lauded it as a great haul if not for how dysnfunctional this team became because of internal issues. Were there any past prime superstars that wanted to join SA?
2008 - Traded for Pau. Back then Gasol still had 50 mil left on his contract so it wasn't a move that the Spurs could have done purely on a financial basis.
2012, 2013 - Nearly got CP3, and got Dwight and Nash a year later. Do you think CP3 would threaten to sue the league if Stern was vetoing his move to SA? Do you think Dwight or Nash would be onboard joining SA whether it be through trade or free agency?
The Lakers have definitely have made more big splashes than the Spurs, but it is predominantly based on the fact that they are in a favorable location. If the Lakers are in San Antonio they wouldn't have been able to pull off these crazy moves, and as generous as Buss is when it comes to building a contending roster he will definitely run a tighter budget when he can no longer sell courtside seat tickets for 30K apiece to celebrities. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
But one of the few who could slow a prime Shaq was a prime Duncan. |
LOL WHAT?
are we losing our mind on LG this summer.
Prime duncan wasnt slowing shaq. Prime Duncan + 1 + refs were calling bogus offensive fouls on shaq for being to darn strong for timmy and his + 1.
i dont know how many times i screamed at the TV  when the refs would call that BOGUS offensive foul twice. just to get him into FAKE early foul trouble vs the spurs. so he wouldnt dominate timmy and Drob or timmy + whoever else they had playing center to cover timmys back.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
But one of the few who could slow a prime Shaq was a prime Duncan. |
When did this happen?? What do you mean by "could slow"? Did he or did he not? Maybe prime Duncan slowed Shaq all the way from 30ppg to 25ppg.
The only "slowing" of prime Shaq I've ever seen is during the Portland series. And it took a borderline illegal defense to do it (Portland was basically zoning Shaq a year before zone was allowed). And it took a magnificent defensive performance by Pippen, who was roaming. Pippen's defensive performance that series is still one of the most impressive I have ever seen. |
He did in the playoffs in the early 2000's. So holding a player to 5 points below his average is suddenly bad? That is a weird thing to say, as incorrect as it is.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
But one of the few who could slow a prime Shaq was a prime Duncan. |
LOL WHAT?
are we losing our mind on LG this summer.
Prime duncan wasnt slowing shaq. Prime Duncan + 1 + refs were calling bogus offensive fouls on shaq for being to darn strong for timmy and his + 1.
i dont know how many times i screamed at the TV when the refs would call that BOGUS offensive foul twice. just to get him into FAKE early foul trouble vs the spurs. so he wouldnt dominate timmy and Drob or timmy + whoever else they had playing center to cover timmys back. |
That's the spirit, blame it on the refs. That seems to always be your only argument. Watch those series again, in the 4th Pop would put TD on Shaq and TD made Shaq work. You seem to forget that TD was a top defensive big in those days. That is why he could challenge Shaq, he had the all around game that Shaq didn't. And there was no big in the league at the time that respected as much as he did TD.
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| Tagurt wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | how is the spurs FO better then the lakers FO? when the spurs have been to less finals? when the spurs can never win back 2 backs. |
Let's look at the timeline on how they did since the mid 90s.
1996 - Signed Shaq because LA is an attractive destination for a guy who wants to go to Hollywood. He would never sign in SA. Drafted Kobe but I wouldn't call it lucky as much as it was Jerry West's intuition.
1997 - SA managed to nab Duncan in the draft even though they are supposed to be a contender with D-Rob so I would say that is just as lucky as the Lakers being able to get Shaq.
2000 - Got Phil Jackson on board but that move forced Jerry West's departure, so it definitely did not come without sacrifice. However, for all of Phil's shortcomings no one can deny Phil's importance for our title runs and that the organization was better off with him than without him. At that time Pop still had very little coaching experience. Jackson would never even think about going to San Antonio and Peter Holt would never think about giving Phil as much power as Buss did.
2001, 2003 - SA drafted Parker and Manu respectively. Thus started the wave of scouting potential foreign draft picks.
2004 - Got Malone and Payton onboard, and everyone would have lauded it as a great haul if not for how dysnfunctional this team became because of internal issues. Were there any past prime superstars that wanted to join SA?
2008 - Traded for Pau. Back then Gasol still had 50 mil left on his contract so it wasn't a move that the Spurs could have done purely on a financial basis.
2012, 2013 - Nearly got CP3, and got Dwight and Nash a year later. Do you think CP3 would threaten to sue the league if Stern was vetoing his move to SA? Do you think Dwight or Nash would be onboard joining SA whether it be through trade or free agency?
The Lakers have definitely have made more big splashes than the Spurs, but it is predominantly based on the fact that they are in a favorable location. If the Lakers are in San Antonio they wouldn't have been able to pull off these crazy moves, and as generous as Buss is when it comes to building a contending roster he will definitely run a tighter budget when he can no longer sell courtside seat tickets for 30K apiece to celebrities. |
the clippers are in the same favorable location and it took them this long to start making actual SIGNING splashes vs Draft pick splashes because they sucked for so long you get high picks all the time some of them would turn out to be stars or close.
New york is a great area. yet it took them until getting melo and amare to finally put something together at least on paper. and thats been that way since pat ewing hung it up. what a shame.
Chi town has been trying, they're a big time city. shoot seattle is a beautiful city, even before stern trashed them and ran to OK, seattle wasnt trying to give ray ray and rashard real help. they had one good run and seattle wouldnt resign some of those guys, and they sucked the following season. the sonics have not looked hot since GP, detlef, and Shawn Kemp.
its not just the weather and the city. its that and the fact we have shown a GREAT, A+ track record of taking care of our superstar players when it comes to giving them the help necessary to win it all, not just once. but more then once, not just more then once. but back 2 backs. NO other team can say that no matter where they are located. like i said, if the heat wins this year. pat riles can start saying they have a reputation. but even that is very recent. and riles is a laker brother. he got it from the buss fam and JW, how to run a basketball team. why go to the imitation when you can come to the real thing? why wear costume jewelry when you can wear the real thing? that aint louis vuitton thats a knock off. not a bad looking knock off. but still a knock off.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Why even if Spurs win in '13, Lakers dynasty > Spurs, Kobe > Duncan, but Duncan > Shaq |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | stop with the duncan is better then shaq talk just because tim has a jumpshot. there's no need to shoot jumpers when 2 men cant stop you downlow. jumpers are for those who are not powerful enough to deal with a double team on the block and other really strong defenders. thats what a faceup game is for. its a counter to size and strength. but if you have the size, the strength and athleticism to trump all of that. no need for a faceup game. and thats what shaq was in his prime. |
But one of the few who could slow a prime Shaq was a prime Duncan. |
LOL WHAT?
are we losing our mind on LG this summer.
Prime duncan wasnt slowing shaq. Prime Duncan + 1 + refs were calling bogus offensive fouls on shaq for being to darn strong for timmy and his + 1.
i dont know how many times i screamed at the TV when the refs would call that BOGUS offensive foul twice. just to get him into FAKE early foul trouble vs the spurs. so he wouldnt dominate timmy and Drob or timmy + whoever else they had playing center to cover timmys back. |
That's the spirit, blame it on the refs. That seems to always be your only argument. Watch those series again, in the 4th Pop would put TD on Shaq and TD made Shaq work. You seem to forget that TD was a top defensive big in those days. That is why he could challenge Shaq, he had the all around game that Shaq didn't. And there was no big in the league at the time that respected as much as he did TD. |
Timmy did not make shaq work that much in his prime. what would happen is the REFS would have shaq in FAKE foul trouble early. this would make shaqs power game become a less power game. its not about blaming the refs. i'm stated what i saw with my own two eyes. if you're the type that doesnt want to admit what you see. thats on you. you can make an assessment based on partial facts. i'm talking about the entire thing. TD + 1 + REFS= somewhat slowed shaq.
again you're lying to yourself saying TD slowed shaq. PERIOD.
stop it Vent. stop it.
timmy's prime 2003, when they beat the lakers to win it all after there first * championship a few years prior. this is the kobe/fisher crying playoffs series i believe.
guess who fouls out of game 1 to set the tone? Shaq. like i said, TIMMY + 1 + REFS = solid defense on shaq.
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People are overrating the hell out of TD right now. We're talking about the same dude that essentially quit the Olympics?
He's an all-time great, but c'mon son! |
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This is the NBA, who gives a damn about amatuer ball.
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| 22 wrote: | People are overrating the hell out of TD right now. We're talking about the same dude that essentially quit the Olympics?
He's an all-time great, but c'mon son! |
see see lol, i didnt want to bring that up. i wasnt going to go there. and rehash that. i had to explain this the year he did it, right here on LG.
people didnt realize he was the FIRST of a new generation of players that i saw stern GIVING bogus calls to very early in his career. like YEar 1 of his rookie season. was he good? YEP. did i like his game? since wakeforest. sure did. but the calls he was getting you would've thought his name was david robinson. like he put in 12 years already and you know now he deserves some touch calls. they were gifting him things early on in his career. that turned him into a whiner. he never whined like that in college, he just beasted people. didnt matter if the refs helped him or not. so i knew he had the game. but that nba life giving him to much ref love to early. made him into a big time cry baby. so much so, when he couldnt have his way in the olympics he virtually quit.
he couldnt understand why the olympic officials were not giving him TOUCH fouls like the nba did. TD couldnt understand why the olympic refs were calling him for his patent push in the back to get a rebound.
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Bball is bball. Fact is TD got frustrated and couldn't hang on that stage.
His career speaks for itself. Hall of famer w/o question. TD's career may turn out to be better than Snaq's.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | This is the NBA, who gives a damn about amatuer ball. |
we do. its more evidence that timmy was protected early in his career by refs. so much so they made him BELIEVE he deserved all the bs calls he got. to the point that he whined to the olympic refs when he couldnt get those same BOGUS touch fouls or when he got called for his push in the back to grab a board. he lost it. cause those things were NEVER called on him in the nba. but olympic officiating is better then nba officiating. because unlike the nba. the refs in the olympics for the most part have learned to stay out of it. unless they see a situation where two teams are darn near hacking each other about to start a fight.
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| 22 wrote: | Bball is bball. Fact is TD got frustrated and couldn't hang on that stage.
His career speaks for itself. Hall of famer w/o question. TD's career may turn out to be better than Snaq's.
But who is the better ball player?.....I'm taking the Big Aristotle lol |
and thats all i'm saying.
TD is the man, anyone saying any different needs to log off asap. but anyone saying he was better then shaq during shaqs prime is out of their mind and is enamored with bigmen who shoot jumpers.
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| postandpivot wrote: | | 22 wrote: | People are overrating the hell out of TD right now. We're talking about the same dude that essentially quit the Olympics?
He's an all-time great, but c'mon son! |
see see lol, i didnt want to bring that up. i wasnt going to go there. and rehash that. i had to explain this the year he did it, right here on LG.
people didnt realize he was the FIRST of a new generation of players that i saw stern GIVING bogus calls to very early in his career. like YEar 1 of his rookie season. was he good? YEP. did i like his game? since wakeforest. sure did. but the calls he was getting you would've thought his name was david robinson. like he put in 12 years already and you know now he deserves some touch calls. they were gifting him things early on in his career. that turned him into a whiner. he never whined like that in college, he just beasted people. didnt matter if the refs helped him or not. so i knew he had the game. but that nba life giving him to much ref love to early. made him into a big time cry baby. so much so, when he couldnt have his way in the olympics he virtually quit.
he couldnt understand why the olympic officials were not giving him TOUCH fouls like the nba did. TD couldnt understand why the olympic refs were calling him for his patent push in the back to get a rebound. |
Keep giving them that truth PnP! lol
I had to go there because the TD love has gone from respect to jock riding in the past few weeks. It needs to be stopped lol |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | This is the NBA, who gives a damn about amatuer ball. |
we do. its more evidence that timmy was protected early in his career by refs. so much so they made him BELIEVE he deserved all the bs calls he got. to the point that he whined to the olympic refs when he couldnt get those same BOGUS touch fouls or when he got called for his push in the back to grab a board. he lost it. cause those things were NEVER called on him in the nba. but olympic officiating is better then nba officiating. because unlike the nba. the refs in the olympics for the most part have learned to stay out of it. unless they see a situation where two teams are darn near hacking each other about to start a fight. |
I guess exhibition sports are liked by some, but I prefer to discuss the NBA where the best play. And if you ever posted something that didn't mention the refs or Stern I think half the posters here would have a heart attack. That one trick pony is getting real old, especially when it is nothing but BS.
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C'mon VLF. You can't call Olympic ball amatuer anymore when all the players are professionals.
Obviously the best competition lies within the NBA, but that's just more reason why TD should have dominated on the international court.
TD is great but he falls short of prime Shaq IMO. |
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It is just exhibition basketball, guys playing once every 4 years with rules that are different than the NBA. I haven't watched one Olympic basketball game since they stopped sending the college players. So it has little value when discussing the NBA. Which is where the Lakers play. I don't know who said that TD was as good as prime Shaq, it wasn't me.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I don't know who said that TD was as good as prime Shaq, it wasn't me. |
Then we're on the same page then  |
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