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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | I think we give Pau 3 years 24 mil. $10-8-6 on a declining scale. Should leave us enough for Love next summer and Durant or LBJ the following summer. I doubt he gets more money elsewhere. |
Is that possible to frontload Pau? Are there restrictions in the CBA?
I know you can frontload but I don't think you can have declining salaries.
Maybe a 2 yr $20M deal with $15M next year and $5M after. |
Just like he could get 7.5% raises from the Lakers, they can write the contract where he gets 7.5% reduction annually. |
7.5% reductions won't do much if you are starting at $10M per based on the sample above. You need more like 20-25% reductions. |
You could also just do a flat $8 mil per and should be ok. Kobe plus our first rounder will only be $30 mil next summer, plus another $5 mil or so in cap holds. Add Pau at $8 mil and we should still have about $20 mil for Love. The next summer Kobe's salary comes off and you can use that money for Durant.
I think Pau at $8 mil is a good deal for the next three years. He will continue to be one of the best low post scorers in the league for the next couple years. We just need better defenders around him and a coach that values D.
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| DoubleClutch wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | I think we give Pau 3 years 24 mil. $10-8-6 on a declining scale. Should leave us enough for Love next summer and Durant or LBJ the following summer. I doubt he gets more money elsewhere. |
Is that possible to frontload Pau? Are there restrictions in the CBA?
I know you can frontload but I don't think you can have declining salaries.
Maybe a 2 yr $20M deal with $15M next year and $5M after. |
Just like he could get 7.5% raises from the Lakers, they can write the contract where he gets 7.5% reduction annually. |
7.5% reductions won't do much if you are starting at $10M per based on the sample above. You need more like 20-25% reductions. |
You could also just do a flat $8 mil per and should be ok. Kobe plus our first rounder will only be $30 mil next summer, plus another $5 mil or so in cap holds. Add Pau at $8 mil and we should still have about $20 mil for Love. The next summer Kobe's salary comes off and you can use that money for Durant.
I think Pau at $8 mil is a good deal for the next three years. He will continue to be one of the best low post scorers in the league for the next couple years. We just need better defenders around him and a coach that values D. |
I actually think Pau is the problem. He provides no interior defense, shot blocking and his defensive rebounding is regressing. I'd pass on a further declining Pau
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| I completely agree. I don't think it has anything to do with Mike D'Antoni either. Pau Gasol doesn't really give effort on the defensive end. I liken his defense to those inflatable dolls with the flailing arms that are usually at car dealerships. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.
The guy plays no defense at all, none.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | I completely agree. I don't think it has anything to do with Mike D'Antoni either. Pau Gasol doesn't really give effort on the defensive end. I liken his defense to those inflatable dolls with the flailing arms that are usually at car dealerships. |
At this point those inflatable dolls would probably do a better job than Pau on D.
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Hey, I got a great idea--lets get DH--he pays awesome defense...oh wait...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| clever. it'd also help if the player wanted to actually play here though. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe next time we should give the player a reason to stay.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | Maybe next time we should give the player a reason to stay. |
So we should stop expecting championships, and surround him with young guys who like to have fun?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | Maybe next time we should give the player a reason to stay. |
It's the new era where we lose the star players we have and when we have cap space they don't wanna come here. |
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ch3cky0selff00
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| The free agency period hasn't even begun for them to use their cap space and you're already declaring star players don't want to come here? |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | The free agency period hasn't even begun for them to use their cap space and you're already declaring star players don't want to come here? |
Yes |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| JoJo Dancer wrote: | | ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | The free agency period hasn't even begun for them to use their cap space and you're already declaring star players don't want to come here? |
Yes |
Okay. Got it. Just making sure we were on the same page. 
I'll wait until after the draft / free agency period to proclaim that nobody wants to play for the Lakers. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | JoJo Dancer wrote: | | ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | The free agency period hasn't even begun for them to use their cap space and you're already declaring star players don't want to come here? |
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Okay. Got it. Just making sure we were on the same page.
I'll wait until after the draft / free agency period to proclaim that nobody wants to play for the Lakers. |
Easier to bet the field in a hear in which there may be no great targets.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| s&t pau for perkins,lamb and 1st rounder. |
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| Actually in regards to Pau I think that makes sense for the Lakers to see if they can find a deal where they are able to flip Pau to get youth/pick it would likely be late a late round pick and talent level that would likely only help fill out the bench, but a good team needs that balance. For it me it seems like the key is putting together a solid roster, a competitive roster where adding two marquee players will put them from competitive to championship contender, because I don't think it's as likely they Lakers get those marquee players in the draft as scoring them in FA and if we have a young talented roster, along with us being the lakers, with being in LA, a solid coaching choice, and cap space you are creating an environment where a stud FA will say hey yeah I could walk into that situation and really go far with that team |
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| ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | clever. it'd also help if the player wanted to actually play here though. |
Yeah, so lets find that awesome defensive/offensive big that wants to play here, that we can afford, and that is available. Hmmm, who would that be? Sacre?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| I still believe if lakers go back to a half court game and move pau back to pf and get a defensive center they could be a top team in the west. With there draft pick . |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.
The guy plays no defense at all, none. |
but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| GRE4T ONE wrote: | | I still believe if lakers go back to a half court game and move pau back to pf and get a defensive center they could be a top team in the west. With there draft pick . |
What year is this? |
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| Palin wrote: | | s&t pau for perkins,lamb and 1st rounder. |
yikes Perkins?  |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| GRE4T ONE wrote: | | I still believe if lakers go back to a half court game and move pau back to pf and get a defensive center they could be a top team in the west. With there draft pick . |
maybe someone like Gortat?
Can we get Gortat and Deng or we'd be over the cap?
Gortat/Sacre
Pau/Kelly
Deng/Young
Kobe/Meeks
Exum/Nash/Farmar
That team is pipe but I still don't think it's good enough to be a top playoff contender, maybe a 5 seed. |
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Palin
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| KobeDunk wrote: | | Palin wrote: | | s&t pau for perkins,lamb and 1st rounder. |
yikes Perkins? |
hes expiring since we are not gonna be a contender next year no problem for us to carry his salary for a year for a return of lamb and a first rounder. |
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| Horford would be great next to pau |
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ch3cky0selff00
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| magicdays wrote: | | ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | clever. it'd also help if the player wanted to actually play here though. |
Yeah, so lets find that awesome defensive/offensive big that wants to play here, that we can afford, and that is available. Hmmm, who would that be? Sacre? |
That's hilarious. You really got me there. Sick burn.
Off the bench, Robert Sacre is great for what he is and what he's paid. He's serviceable.
Never once in any other thread did I suggest Robert Sacre should be the starter. |
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