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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:25 am    Post subject:

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I still believe if lakers go back to a half court game and move pau back to pf and get a defensive center they could be a top team in the west. With there draft pick .


maybe someone like Gortat?

Can we get Gortat and Deng or we'd be over the cap?

Gortat/Sacre
Pau/Kelly
Deng/Young
Kobe/Meeks
Exum/Nash/Farmar

That team is pipe but I still don't think it's good enough to be a top playoff contender, maybe a 5 seed.



Pau is soft, Kelly is softer.... Kelly'd be nice as a third string shooter off the bench..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject:

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Pau is soft, Kelly is softer.... Kelly'd be nice as a third string shooter off the bench..


Kelly is not softer than Gasol.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:43 am    Post subject:

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Horford would be great next to pau


Horford is a natural 4...so that would need to be his spot.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:03 am    Post subject:

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If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.

The guy plays no defense at all, none.



but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here.


Assuming we're offering him below market terms, why would Pau stay?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:07 am    Post subject:

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If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.

The guy plays no defense at all, none.



but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here.


Assuming we're offering him below market terms, why would Pau stay?


Because of Kobe Bryant :


Apparently he's the only reason he would consider staying a laker next season.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:10 am    Post subject:

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If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.

The guy plays no defense at all, none.



but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here.


Assuming we're offering him below market terms, why would Pau stay?


Why would we want him to stay? $10 million to Pau or $12 - 14 million to try and steal Monroe???

Im sorry, but a 24 year old player that is already averaging 16 and 10, that should be our main target. I know people say that he is horrible at defense but the guy is ONLY 24!!!! We bring him here and bring Kareem in to work with him.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:12 am    Post subject:

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composite wrote:
KobeDunk wrote:
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If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.

The guy plays no defense at all, none.



but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here.


Assuming we're offering him below market terms, why would Pau stay?


Why would we want him to stay? $10 million to Pau or $12 - 14 million to try and steal Monroe???

Im sorry, but a 24 year old player that is already averaging 16 and 10, that should be our main target. I know people say that he is horrible at defense but the guy is ONLY 24!!!! We bring him here and bring Kareem in to work with him.


I hope you don't think that Monroe is a center.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:17 am    Post subject:

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deal wrote:
Pau is soft, Kelly is softer.... Kelly'd be nice as a third string shooter off the bench..


Kelly is not softer than Gasol.



He's a Lilly...


You don't want him against real PF's, he'd be a liability...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:19 am    Post subject:

If, the Lakers fail to convince Pau to take a paycut.... I wouldn't mind sending Pau to Denver in a S&T for Faried.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:22 am    Post subject:

I guess let the games begin. I expect this thread to catch fire for the next few months.

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The Bulls, Rockets, Lakers and Clippers are among the teams expected to pursue unrestricted free agent Carmelo Anthony.
The Knicks can offer Anthony a five-year, $129 contract. The max he can get from other teams is four years and $95 million. But the Knicks have almost no room to reshape their roster, so re-signing there would not give Anthony his best shot at his stated goal of winning. If he's serious about competing for a title, Melo will take a massive pay cut and sign with Chicago, which could field a starting five of Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, Anthony, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10797307/carmelo-says-winning-most-important-factor-free-agency-decision
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:23 am    Post subject:

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If, the Lakers fail to convince Pau to take a paycut.... I wouldn't mind sending Pau to Denver in a S&T for Faried.


Why would Denver trade Faried for Gasol? We'd have to take back a bad contract like McGee or Gallinari as well. No thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:23 am    Post subject:

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rock0100 wrote:
composite wrote:
KobeDunk wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.

The guy plays no defense at all, none.



but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here.


Assuming we're offering him below market terms, why would Pau stay?


Why would we want him to stay? $10 million to Pau or $12 - 14 million to try and steal Monroe???

Im sorry, but a 24 year old player that is already averaging 16 and 10, that should be our main target. I know people say that he is horrible at defense but the guy is ONLY 24!!!! We bring him here and bring Kareem in to work with him.


I hope you don't think that Monroe is a center.


He can be a MUCH better center than what is out there right now. Some of you guys are hoping for a center that plays like they did in 90s. Those days are long gone.

I would much rather sign Monroe this summer as opposed to keeping Pau, waiting on Love or drafting Embiid.

That is just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:25 am    Post subject:

I like Monroe but we would likely have to overpay to get him. I wouldn't give him anything over 10M per year.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:31 am    Post subject:

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deal wrote:
Pau is soft, Kelly is softer.... Kelly'd be nice as a third string shooter off the bench..


Kelly is not softer than Gasol.



He's a Lilly...


You don't want him against real PF's, he'd be a liability...


He weighs like 150 pounds. He's a rook. He'll add strength this offseason and next and be a legit NBA role player.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:35 am    Post subject:

IF Bucks draft Embiid and are ready to give up on Sanders, should we make a run at him? It's a bad contract right now but if he can get back to the level he was in 2012-2013 season, then it's a different story.

Obviously Nash would be a part of this trade and the Bucks could buy him out.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:37 am    Post subject:

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I like Monroe but we would likely have to overpay to get him. I wouldn't give him anything over 10M per year.


We probably will have to overpay, but I truly believe he can improve his game, especially here, and become worth his contract within a year.

The Lakers know how to develop and get the best out of bigs. I don't know how high Detroit will be willing to go to match, but it is worth the try for us.

Only other free agents that interest me are Bledsoe, Lowry and Lance. I think if we get two of Bledsoe, Lowry, Lance or Monroe plus our draft pick, we will be in REALLY good shape next year.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:38 am    Post subject:

rock0100 wrote:
SickwithIt1010 wrote:
rock0100 wrote:
composite wrote:
KobeDunk wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.

The guy plays no defense at all, none.



but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here.


Assuming we're offering him below market terms, why would Pau stay?


Why would we want him to stay? $10 million to Pau or $12 - 14 million to try and steal Monroe???

Im sorry, but a 24 year old player that is already averaging 16 and 10, that should be our main target. I know people say that he is horrible at defense but the guy is ONLY 24!!!! We bring him here and bring Kareem in to work with him.


I hope you don't think that Monroe is a center.


He can be a MUCH better center than what is out there right now. Some of you guys are hoping for a center that plays like they did in 90s. Those days are long gone.

I would much rather sign Monroe this summer as opposed to keeping Pau, waiting on Love or drafting Embiid.

That is just my opinion.


Monroe is horrible on defense, he gets away with it in Detroit because he has a rim protector in Drummond. Monroe is a 4 and nothing else. If we signed Monroe it would be because we had Embiid or a very good defensive 5. I like his game, but he is not a center.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:39 am    Post subject:

deal wrote:
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deal wrote:
Pau is soft, Kelly is softer.... Kelly'd be nice as a third string shooter off the bench..


Kelly is not softer than Gasol.



He's a Lilly...


You don't want him against real PF's, he'd be a liability...


real PF's are a scarcity anymore. he competes on defense at least, which puts him light years ahead of pau.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:39 am    Post subject:

The Joker wrote:
I guess let the games begin. I expect this thread to catch fire for the next few months.

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The Bulls, Rockets, Lakers and Clippers are among the teams expected to pursue unrestricted free agent Carmelo Anthony.
The Knicks can offer Anthony a five-year, $129 contract. The max he can get from other teams is four years and $95 million. But the Knicks have almost no room to reshape their roster, so re-signing there would not give Anthony his best shot at his stated goal of winning. If he's serious about competing for a title, Melo will take a massive pay cut and sign with Chicago, which could field a starting five of Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, Anthony, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10797307/carmelo-says-winning-most-important-factor-free-agency-decision


How in the hell do they figure that the Clippers could sign him?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:41 am    Post subject:

deal wrote:
KobeDunk wrote:
GRE4T ONE wrote:
I still believe if lakers go back to a half court game and move pau back to pf and get a defensive center they could be a top team in the west. With there draft pick .


maybe someone like Gortat?

Can we get Gortat and Deng or we'd be over the cap?

Gortat/Sacre
Pau/Kelly
Deng/Young
Kobe/Meeks
Exum/Nash/Farmar

That team is pipe but I still don't think it's good enough to be a top playoff contender, maybe a 5 seed.



Pau is soft, Kelly is softer.... Kelly'd be nice as a third string shooter off the bench..


Kelly is no scrub. if the draft was done again kelly would be going in 10-25 1st round.

He needs to learn to keep his base strong so he can go after rebounds and play defense.

He has shown to have a extremely high IQ for a rookie
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SickwithIt1010 wrote:
rock0100 wrote:
SickwithIt1010 wrote:
rock0100 wrote:
composite wrote:
KobeDunk wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
If the Lakers bring Pau back, it is a sign they have given up on contending anytime in the near future.

The guy plays no defense at all, none.



but who else is out there as a free agent that would be better than Pau? Ofcourse I'm going on the assumption Pau would take a significant paycut to stay here.


Assuming we're offering him below market terms, why would Pau stay?


Why would we want him to stay? $10 million to Pau or $12 - 14 million to try and steal Monroe???

Im sorry, but a 24 year old player that is already averaging 16 and 10, that should be our main target. I know people say that he is horrible at defense but the guy is ONLY 24!!!! We bring him here and bring Kareem in to work with him.


I hope you don't think that Monroe is a center.


He can be a MUCH better center than what is out there right now. Some of you guys are hoping for a center that plays like they did in 90s. Those days are long gone.

I would much rather sign Monroe this summer as opposed to keeping Pau, waiting on Love or drafting Embiid.

That is just my opinion.


Monroe is horrible on defense, he gets away with it in Detroit because he has a rim protector in Drummond. Monroe is a 4 and nothing else. If we signed Monroe it would be because we had Embiid or a very good defensive 5. I like his game, but he is not a center.


I completely understand your point of view, I am just one that thinks a team can win using semi small ball.

His defense can still improve. That would be the beauty of signing Monroe. The fact that he is already showing a lot of talent, yet he is still young enough to grow before entering his prime in 4 years. Guys like him and Lance should be our targets. I'm tired of signing guys 30 years or older.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:47 am    Post subject:

The Joker wrote:
I guess let the games begin. I expect this thread to catch fire for the next few months.

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The Bulls, Rockets, Lakers and Clippers are among the teams expected to pursue unrestricted free agent Carmelo Anthony.
The Knicks can offer Anthony a five-year, $129 contract. The max he can get from other teams is four years and $95 million. But the Knicks have almost no room to reshape their roster, so re-signing there would not give Anthony his best shot at his stated goal of winning. If he's serious about competing for a title, Melo will take a massive pay cut and sign with Chicago, which could field a starting five of Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, Anthony, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10797307/carmelo-says-winning-most-important-factor-free-agency-decision


meh. with Phil coming there is 0% chance that Melo is leaving.

CP3 demanded and got Doc Rivers. Signed the contract
Melo demanded and got Phil Jackson. Will sign the contract
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:49 am    Post subject:

Jim99187 wrote:
The Joker wrote:
I guess let the games begin. I expect this thread to catch fire for the next few months.

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The Bulls, Rockets, Lakers and Clippers are among the teams expected to pursue unrestricted free agent Carmelo Anthony.
The Knicks can offer Anthony a five-year, $129 contract. The max he can get from other teams is four years and $95 million. But the Knicks have almost no room to reshape their roster, so re-signing there would not give Anthony his best shot at his stated goal of winning. If he's serious about competing for a title, Melo will take a massive pay cut and sign with Chicago, which could field a starting five of Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, Anthony, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10797307/carmelo-says-winning-most-important-factor-free-agency-decision


meh. with Phil coming there is 0% chance that Melo is leaving.

CP3 demanded and got Doc Rivers. Signed the contract
Melo demanded and got Phil Jackson. Will sign the contract


You are probably right, although, Chicago is by far the best opportunity for him to win.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:59 am    Post subject:

rock0100 wrote:
Jim99187 wrote:
The Joker wrote:
I guess let the games begin. I expect this thread to catch fire for the next few months.

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The Bulls, Rockets, Lakers and Clippers are among the teams expected to pursue unrestricted free agent Carmelo Anthony.
The Knicks can offer Anthony a five-year, $129 contract. The max he can get from other teams is four years and $95 million. But the Knicks have almost no room to reshape their roster, so re-signing there would not give Anthony his best shot at his stated goal of winning. If he's serious about competing for a title, Melo will take a massive pay cut and sign with Chicago, which could field a starting five of Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, Anthony, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10797307/carmelo-says-winning-most-important-factor-free-agency-decision


meh. with Phil coming there is 0% chance that Melo is leaving.

CP3 demanded and got Doc Rivers. Signed the contract
Melo demanded and got Phil Jackson. Will sign the contract


You are probably right, although, Chicago is by far the best opportunity for him to win.


not even that, it's the best fit for him period. especially since rose is basically done, he wouldn't have to alter his game a bit.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:16 am    Post subject:

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Pau is soft, Kelly is softer.... Kelly'd be nice as a third string shooter off the bench..


Kelly is not softer than Gasol.


LOL ... it's the debate on which toilet paper is softer.
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