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C M B Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:36 pm Post subject: What are your thoughts on racism (against any "race") in the United States? Does it exist? How bad is it? |
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I'd like to read a composite of opinions. Please lock if this is an inappropriate topic. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Some races are stereotyped as better at basketball. |
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tlim Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Driving in Orange County here in LA, I still get derogatory Chinese names.
I hate going down there, tbh. My brother lives there and he's just plain accepted it and thinks it's "OK". Brainwashed Republican that he is. |
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NickF Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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racism probably has a genetic component, and almost everyone (black white, asian whatever) IMO is racist to a degree, just as long as people don't let it influence the decisions they make |
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NickF Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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tlim wrote: | Driving in Orange County here in LA, I still get derogatory Chinese names.
I hate going down there, tbh. My brother lives there and he's just plain accepted it and thinks it's "OK". Brainwashed Republican that he is. |
have live here for 30 years and haven't noticed racism to asians being that bad (i'm white) here, several of my long time neighbors are asian (not that that makes any difference) |
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Jeffs Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Of course it exists.
There is prejudice against every race, religion, and culture. It is all equally repugnant, and I detest those who assert that certain racism is okay while another sort is not.
Unfortunately, everyone has some inherent prejudice. The key is whether someone decides to act on it, or chooses to remain a fair and kind human being. We should all strive to be the latter. _________________ Jeffs
I feel like I just watched someone TRULY give 100%. Not the BS I'm-gonna-give-a-110%-just-like-everyone-else-says platitudes, but someone that went until he just....broke. - GT |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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On the same weekend an acquittal was handed down in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager, I saw a movie, "Fruitvale Station", inspired by the true story of a 27 year old unarmed black man getting fatally killed (the cop who killed him served 11 months in prison and is now free) and was reminded of "Do The Right Thing", a film that also climaxes with the death of an unarmed black man at the hands of police. That movie came our 24 years ago.
You tell me. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Jeffs Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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And here comes the lock. _________________ Jeffs
I feel like I just watched someone TRULY give 100%. Not the BS I'm-gonna-give-a-110%-just-like-everyone-else-says platitudes, but someone that went until he just....broke. - GT |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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It exists. But it is dying. As a mixed race person I have trouble taking this issue seriously though (being white and something else makes it difficult to connect to racial squabbles) so I may be biased. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | It exists. But it is dying. |
It is less socially acceptable, but I don't think it will ever die. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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My kids are half Korean and Jamaican. I went through hell because my parents couldn't accept my wife. Yes racism exists but I changed their hearts and minds. And now we are all good. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | It exists. But it is dying. |
It is less socially acceptable, but I don't think it will ever die. |
It's a biologically natural thing that exists implicitly in every person. It's not going to die any time soon. _________________ Kobe |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Racism is merely one manifestation of xenophobia, or fear/mistrust of the "other". It is built into our limbic system as part of the fight/flight response of social animals. Our entire existence is built around in and out groups. The first differentiation we make is mother/not mother, and from there we move to family, friends, neighbors, fellow citizens, etc.
It is important to realize that like violence, xenophobia is natural to, and inherent in, all of us. We are civilized by conscious desire, not by nature. So we are never "over it". Like the rest of civilized behavior, it is but a thin veneer that can be stripped off rather quickly. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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JoJo Dancer Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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It exist and it's as bad as it's ever been IMO. I've lived in about 10 states and 2 countries outside the United States. I have so many police stories that I have lost count but I have never been in trouble with the law. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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I was raised in the north. Went to school with all races.
As I youngster it didn't dawn on me that because Caucasians lived on one side of town African Americans on the other it was racist. I thought racism only existed in the south.
As I grew my parents explained racism to me. My father taught if a person calls you a N..... don't get angry with them, understand the person was afflicted. They had a illness that could only be cured by themselves.
Steer clear of such people and as long as they just talk it won't hurt. If they touched you get Newark on them.
I didn't then and don't now think I'm beneath anyone regardless of race. I've dated all races of females but feel most comfortable with my people.
Those who are in interracial relationships I applaud for having the strength of their convictions. I don't feel I've achieved the necessary awareness to step to the world in a mixed relationship.
I'm still in the mode, if I see two men fighting and know neither, if one is Black the other White, I pull for the Black man.
Racism exists and will do so. How you allow it to make your path is on you. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Wolverine Star Player
Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 7846 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Jeffs wrote: | Unfortunately, everyone has some inherent prejudice. The key is whether someone decides to act on it, or chooses to remain a fair and kind human being. We should all strive to be the latter. |
24 wrote: | Racism is merely one manifestation of xenophobia, or fear/mistrust of the "other". It is built into our limbic system as part of the fight/flight response of social animals. Our entire existence is built around in and out groups. The first differentiation we make is mother/not mother, and from there we move to family, friends, neighbors, fellow citizens, etc.
It is important to realize that like violence, xenophobia is natural to, and inherent in, all of us. We are civilized by conscious desire, not by nature. So we are never "over it". Like the rest of civilized behavior, it is but a thin veneer that can be stripped off rather quickly. |
Couldn't agree more. |
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kinchan Sixth Man
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently my post in the Travon thread was labeled "racist" by one of the mods. I put:
Quote: | Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL. |
Mod edited my post and put this:
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Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL.
[Really. In 2013 you're so dumb that you don't even know how to ever so slightly encode your racism? ] |
If I had said "Asians on twitter are scary. Do they know he's Latino?", guaranteed I would not be called a racist. Because I said "Blacks", I'm deemed a racist?
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Wilt LG Contributor
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Race is an ideology and it's used to maintain and legitimize unequal power relations. It became politicized in the 19th century and has been a primary driver of how empires and states have functioned ever since. It's similar to gender, which is the politicization of sexual difference. Thus, it's a social construct, at least the political manifestation of it.
So yes, race and racism are still relevant. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Wolverine Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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kinchan wrote: | Blacks on twitter are scary. |
That's racist. Generalization based on race is racism.
kinchan wrote: | If I had said "Asians on twitter are scary.", guaranteed I would not be called a racist. |
Sorry, that's racist too (see explanation above). |
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SilverBullet Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Racism is still exist in any place of the world. I don't think it will ever go away. IMO
It just that nowadays you can be put on the spotlight (internet, media, newspaper, social network, etc) if you act out your racism in public places. So I believe that is why most people put on that non-racist mask that is acceptable in our society; which is not to appear as a racist. The whole cyber thing really play a big role in helping people hide their identity when it comes to free speech. That is when it enables them to say the things they really want to say, which can be very racist. I know this because I go on internet a lot. I'm also a member of many websites. I notice racist everywhere. Lets be honest, even here too. I saw many OP made racist jokes and got away with it.
But I think deep inside, you always have that racist thing toward certain races. Whether black, white, Asian, Israel, or whatever. One day when things go chaos, I bet people will start to act out their racism toward other races. _________________ You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take. |
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Christopher C Star Player
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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kinchan wrote: | Apparently my post in the Travon thread was labeled "racist" by one of the mods. I put:
Quote: | Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL. |
Mod edited my post and put this:
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Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL.
[Really. In 2013 you're so dumb that you don't even know how to ever so slightly encode your racism? ] |
If I had said "Asians on twitter are scary. Do they know he's Latino?", guaranteed I would not be called a racist. Because I said "Blacks", I'm deemed a racist? |
That was me, and yes, yes you would. Because quite clear you are making a specific, explicitly racist statement. Because you don't understand the difference between "some people who are angry at a certain event are posting quite scary things on twitter" and "black people on twitter are scary". It's not even a subtle difference. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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kinchan Sixth Man
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | kinchan wrote: | Apparently my post in the Travon thread was labeled "racist" by one of the mods. I put:
Quote: | Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL. |
Mod edited my post and put this:
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Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL.
[Really. In 2013 you're so dumb that you don't even know how to ever so slightly encode your racism? ] |
If I had said "Asians on twitter are scary. Do they know he's Latino?", guaranteed I would not be called a racist. Because I said "Blacks", I'm deemed a racist? |
That was me, and yes, yes you would. Because quite clear you are making a specific, explicitly racist statement. Because you don't understand the difference between "some people who are angry at a certain event are posting quite scary things on twitter" and "black people on twitter are scary". It's not even a subtle difference. |
You're right. I could've worded it better. Didn't mean for it to sound so generalized. Just seen a bunch of scary, threatening tweets and comments. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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kinchan wrote: | 24 wrote: | kinchan wrote: | Apparently my post in the Travon thread was labeled "racist" by one of the mods. I put:
Quote: | Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL. |
Mod edited my post and put this:
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Blacks on twitter are scary. One guy said 6 whites got killed in Florida and that he's proud and more is coming. Do they even know Zimmer is Latino? LOL.
[Really. In 2013 you're so dumb that you don't even know how to ever so slightly encode your racism? ] |
If I had said "Asians on twitter are scary. Do they know he's Latino?", guaranteed I would not be called a racist. Because I said "Blacks", I'm deemed a racist? |
That was me, and yes, yes you would. Because quite clear you are making a specific, explicitly racist statement. Because you don't understand the difference between "some people who are angry at a certain event are posting quite scary things on twitter" and "black people on twitter are scary". It's not even a subtle difference. |
You're right. I could've worded it better. Didn't mean for it to sound so generalized. Just seen a bunch of scary, threatening tweets and comments. |
I figured that was possible, which is why I didn't run you immediately. But please be more careful. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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As long as there are different races, racism will inevitably exist. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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