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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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This reminds me of the "What if Adam Morrison becomes a Hall of Famer" from a few years ago. I'm optimistic about Young, but let's calm down about him. Assuming this team is healthy, Young is at best the third offensive option on this team. How many third options are averaging 20 ppg? If he is averaging 20 ppg it means we are suffering through a disastrous season where we are dependent on Young to put up points just to compete. |
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KingKobe20 Franchise Player
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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if mwp av 12 last year, Young is a lock for 14, and im happy with that on this team. but i wont be surprised AT ALL if he avg 18. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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same hesitation move both ways. me likey going left. |
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KingKobe20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: |
same hesitation move both ways. me likey going left. |
Yup he definitely has a range of moves on the offensive end. I think he still needs to put in some muscle which should be expected working out with Kobe.
He's never had any issues putting the ball in the hole , his defense is something he's gonna have to prove him selfs to the Lakers Nation.
An for those who followed his short career thus far he's a good on ball defender. Off ball is his issue where he'll hopefully adjust correct as a Laker.
P.S mods sorry I meant this post the youtube vid in the Nicky Young thread. Not trying to post pad. _________________ "Tryin' to get that Kobe number, One Over Jordan"
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | This reminds me of the "What if Adam Morrison becomes a Hall of Famer" from a few years ago. I'm optimistic about Young, but let's calm down about him. Assuming this team is healthy, Young is at best the third offensive option on this team. How many third options are averaging 20 ppg? If he is averaging 20 ppg it means we are suffering through a disastrous season where we are dependent on Young to put up points just to compete. |
This is a guard friendly offense and Pau is very unselfish when it comes to scoring. If it can happen it can most def happen here. Pau could be second in touches but be third in scoring like he was when Bynum was here. _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | I think we are pretty safe from having this issue. |
how so? |
It is highly doubtful Nick Young averages 20 points a game. |
Just saying it doesn't make it true. The guy already avg 17.4ppg before so saying it's unlikely doesn't make it true. will he? I don't know but it wont be hard for him to he's very capable. I expect him to be around 17ppg. |
He's gotten around 17 points per game twice in his 7 year career. Most seasons he hovers around 10 PPG. Those 17 point years he was on terrible teams and was one of the primary options; like KBH said, here he's be at best third unless Kobe takes a ton of time to come back. A guy nearly doubling his career production in one year is insanely unlikely. I feel very safe in assuming that Nick Young will get nowhere near 20ppg, I'd be happy if he gets 15 PPG. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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What's this drew league? Looks better than the nba summer league ! |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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mhan00 wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | I think we are pretty safe from having this issue. |
how so? |
It is highly doubtful Nick Young averages 20 points a game. |
Just saying it doesn't make it true. The guy already avg 17.4ppg before so saying it's unlikely doesn't make it true. will he? I don't know but it wont be hard for him to he's very capable. I expect him to be around 17ppg. |
He's gotten around 17 points per game twice in his 7 year career. Most seasons he hovers around 10 PPG. Those 17 point years he was on terrible teams and was one of the primary options; like KBH said, here he's be at best third unless Kobe takes a ton of time to come back. A guy nearly doubling his career production in one year is insanely unlikely. I feel very safe in assuming that Nick Young will get nowhere near 20ppg, I'd be happy if he gets 15 PPG. |
15ppg is very close to 20ppg the idea that he has hasn't done it before so he can't do it is wrong. Mike james was 9 years in before he avg 20ppg again I think he'll be around 16-17ppg but 20 wont surprise me. _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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MickMgl Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: If Young becomes a 20ppg scorer do we still pursue Melo or... |
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Car54 wrote: | do we go and get someone like Kyrie? and before any of you say Young can't score 20ppg. Nick has already avg 17.4ppg on 44%fg while shooting 39% from 3pt. he's very capable. |
Boy, are you setting yourself up for some disappointment. That was 17 ppg on a thoroughly crappy Wizards team where everybody was gunning for themselves. If Nick Young averages 20 ppg here, something will have gone terribly wrong.
Setting Yourself Up For Disappointment, Part 2:
The Lakers shouldn't go after Melo anyway, in my opinion, and they won't "go and get" Kyrie Irving. They don't have a ghost of a chance at that one. Not in the immediate future, anyway. |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | I think we are pretty safe from having this issue. |
how so? |
It is highly doubtful Nick Young averages 20 points a game. |
Just saying it doesn't make it true. The guy already avg 17.4ppg before so saying it's unlikely doesn't make it true. will he? I don't know but it wont be hard for him to he's very capable. I expect him to be around 17ppg. |
He's gotten around 17 points per game twice in his 7 year career. Most seasons he hovers around 10 PPG. Those 17 point years he was on terrible teams and was one of the primary options; like KBH said, here he's be at best third unless Kobe takes a ton of time to come back. A guy nearly doubling his career production in one year is insanely unlikely. I feel very safe in assuming that Nick Young will get nowhere near 20ppg, I'd be happy if he gets 15 PPG. |
15ppg is very close to 20ppg the idea that he has hasn't done it before so he can't do it is wrong. Mike james was 9 years in before he avg 20ppg again I think he'll be around 16-17ppg but 20 wont surprise me. |
Mike James jacked up shots on an awful Toronto Raptors team. You're supporting my previous post that something awful has happened if Nick Young is putting up 20 ppg on this team. If he's simply putting up 20 ppg because everyone has gone down due to injury, this has absolutely no effect on our FA interests.
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MickMgl Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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LA_PRIDE wrote: | You get rid of Kobe, point blank. It's not like any free agents want to play with him anyway. |
Other than the ones that do want to play with him, nobody wants to play with him. |
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FreakofNature Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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I see Young as a 25 minute per game 13PPG spark plug. Perhaps on nights when he is on, he can get 20+ in 30 or so minutes.
Kobe and pau will be the guys that do the heavy lifting. I "hope" that Wes Johnson can be a 33-36 minute player and get us 15 to 20 a night, that is key.
Either way Young is a steal at the $$$ he signed on for, as is Wes.... |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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FreakofNature wrote: | I see Young as a 25 minute per game 13PPG spark plug. Perhaps on nights when he is on, he can get 20+ in 30 or so minutes.
Kobe and pau will be the guys that do the heavy lifting. I "hope" that Wes Johnson can be a 33-36 minute player and get us 15 to 20 a night, that is key.
Either way Young is a steal at the $$$ he signed on for, as is Wes.... |
Wes will not be getting more play than Young lol _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | FreakofNature wrote: | I see Young as a 25 minute per game 13PPG spark plug. Perhaps on nights when he is on, he can get 20+ in 30 or so minutes.
Kobe and pau will be the guys that do the heavy lifting. I "hope" that Wes Johnson can be a 33-36 minute player and get us 15 to 20 a night, that is key.
Either way Young is a steal at the $$$ he signed on for, as is Wes.... |
Wes will not be getting more play than Young lol |
he wont score more either |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | Car54 wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | I think we are pretty safe from having this issue. |
how so? |
It is highly doubtful Nick Young averages 20 points a game. |
Just saying it doesn't make it true. The guy already avg 17.4ppg before so saying it's unlikely doesn't make it true. will he? I don't know but it wont be hard for him to he's very capable. I expect him to be around 17ppg. |
He's gotten around 17 points per game twice in his 7 year career. Most seasons he hovers around 10 PPG. Those 17 point years he was on terrible teams and was one of the primary options; like KBH said, here he's be at best third unless Kobe takes a ton of time to come back. A guy nearly doubling his career production in one year is insanely unlikely. I feel very safe in assuming that Nick Young will get nowhere near 20ppg, I'd be happy if he gets 15 PPG. |
15ppg is very close to 20ppg the idea that he has hasn't done it before so he can't do it is wrong. Mike james was 9 years in before he avg 20ppg again I think he'll be around 16-17ppg but 20 wont surprise me. |
Mike James jacked up shots on an awful Toronto Raptors team. You're supporting my previous post that something awful has happened if Nick Young is putting up 20 ppg on this team. If he's simply putting up 20 ppg because everyone has gone down due to injury, this has absolutely no effect on our FA interests. |
People thought Kobe was putting up numbers a bad team back in 2005 -2009 that's not a knock on the player. It takes talent to put up numbers on good fg% _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Car54 wrote: | FreakofNature wrote: | I see Young as a 25 minute per game 13PPG spark plug. Perhaps on nights when he is on, he can get 20+ in 30 or so minutes.
Kobe and pau will be the guys that do the heavy lifting. I "hope" that Wes Johnson can be a 33-36 minute player and get us 15 to 20 a night, that is key.
Either way Young is a steal at the $$$ he signed on for, as is Wes.... |
Wes will not be getting more play than Young lol |
he wont score more either |
exactly wes wont avg more than 8ppg _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi |
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PassiontoWin Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Young definitely has the skills and ability to put up 20 PPG. He's done 17 before. Young is good enough to do it, but I'm not sure if he will get enough shots to get it on this roster. He's the 3rd option at best on this team. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, we do. Never stop looking for alternatives, because the players always have a Plan B. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Car54 wrote: | FreakofNature wrote: | I see Young as a 25 minute per game 13PPG spark plug. Perhaps on nights when he is on, he can get 20+ in 30 or so minutes.
Kobe and pau will be the guys that do the heavy lifting. I "hope" that Wes Johnson can be a 33-36 minute player and get us 15 to 20 a night, that is key.
Either way Young is a steal at the $$$ he signed on for, as is Wes.... |
Wes will not be getting more play than Young lol |
he wont score more either |
exactly wes wont avg more than 8ppg |
Sad truth. Thanks Mitch |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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If you have a chance to get Melo, you get him first and ask questions later...you guys are funny to say the least reminding me of Joe Dumars. Melo is legit Superstar! _________________ #mamba4ever! |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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KobeDunk wrote: | What's this drew league? Looks better than the nba summer league ! |
Kobe v Harden |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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FreakofNature wrote: | I see Young as a 25 minute per game 13PPG spark plug. Perhaps on nights when he is on, he can get 20+ in 30 or so minutes.
Kobe and pau will be the guys that do the heavy lifting. I "hope" that Wes Johnson can be a 33-36 minute player and get us 15 to 20 a night, that is key.
Either way Young is a steal at the $$$ he signed on for, as is Wes.... |
Wes is much, much, MUCH less likely than Nick Young to get 20 ppg, and Young's chances are infinitesimal as is. |
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FreakofNature Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Car54 wrote: | FreakofNature wrote: | I see Young as a 25 minute per game 13PPG spark plug. Perhaps on nights when he is on, he can get 20+ in 30 or so minutes.
Kobe and pau will be the guys that do the heavy lifting. I "hope" that Wes Johnson can be a 33-36 minute player and get us 15 to 20 a night, that is key.
Either way Young is a steal at the $$$ he signed on for, as is Wes.... |
Wes will not be getting more play than Young lol |
he wont score more either |
exactly wes wont avg more than 8ppg |
I think because of his defense he will get the starters job.
You can not overlook his final two Months last season. He averaged 13.1 PPG in 28 minutes, you add another 6 to 7 minutes there and he is at 16+..... But if given real starters minutes he averaged 18.4PPG in 8 games that he played 33 or more minutes... He just turned 26 the other day, and with Kobe as his mentor he can improve even more so, plus the extra space he will see due to Kobe getting so much attention...
I think he will be a major surprise. I know I am in the minority on this, and I can understand where you are coming from, but I think he will be a surprise hit for us... ...Anyways better hope I am right, Young can still get his while Wes proves to be the real deal...
Nick Young will be getting 24 to 28 minutes a night as a spark plug. Score 12 to 15.... |
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | vanexelent wrote: | Nick Young isn't very consistent. |
But isn't he consistent at being inconsistent? |
He sucks. |
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