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DaMuleRules
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| LarryCoon wrote: | Bump
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I wish that were the standard practice. It makes sense on so may levels. |
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DaMuleRules
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | All this arguing over bovines at night. |
You are extremely late to the party with that joke. |
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ExPatLkrFan
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| Still why should it be a percentage of the bill. It takes no more effort to take the order for and deliver an expensive meal than a cheaper one. Perhaps a per person flat service fee would be better. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | Bump
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Great article. It's what I've been insisting on except I'd just raise the price of food instead, letting patrons know not to leave tips. |
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ExPatLkrFan
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There are all sorts of business models. Some places let the customer decide how much to pay. I read in an interview some time ago that at one restaurant people paid on average more than when they had prices on the menu.
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ExPatLkrFan wrote: | There are all sorts of business models. Some places let the customer decide how much to pay. I read in an interview some time ago that at one restaurant people paid on average more than when they had prices on the menu.
Ten Restaurants That Let You Pay As You Wish |
Cafe Gratitude has a daily dish that is offered by donation. (Though I believe they have put a minimum of $3 to avoid abuse.) It gives low income and homeless people a place to get a fresh, organic, vegetarian meal for only a few bucks. And in appreciation and support of the restaurant, more well off customers will donate $15-$20. |
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TheGOATWears#24
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Is there a particular rule to tip a barber/hairstylist you guys follow?
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choylaychunkuen
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In China(except for SunJun), Thailand, Hong Kong, Macau there is no tipping. Any loose small coins we had left, we just gave it to them. Food is cheap over there so can't compare prices to US. Restaurants in US could give workers a raise depending on how well they serve their customers, handle tough situations(ppl who want something for free by complaining, or food is not correct/cold/taste funny).
I guess if restaurants start following the no tipping or customers leaving loose change they don't need/want, then maybe service will be better. But the problem is the rest of the service industry. If other industries don't follow, then I'm not sure what's going to happen. We might just have nothing but fast food. If this is going to happen, our culture in the service industry will need a tune up. |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | Bump
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Just noticed this post and article. Interesting indeed. Still, this could be the exception rather than the rule.
Also, though I only hear this from friends of my daughters or friends of friends, many servers cut in the cooks already via tip pools.
And then there is this, if an owner can see his cooks getting more via the 18% surcharge, would this then become the new normal and the hourly wage decline or stagnate?
Whatever model will work, the better the team, from top to bottom or bottom to top, the better the product. The more each member feels valuable, the better they tend to perform. Compensation is one way, recognition is another, and team decision making another.
But it usually starts with good management and Jay Porter, the owner/author sure seems to fit that description.
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| TheGOATWears#24 wrote: | | Is there a particular rule to tip a barber/hairstylist you guys follow? |
20%. Course I'm not getting a cut costing 3 digits like some.
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| ribeye wrote: | | LarryCoon wrote: | Bump
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Just noticed this post and article. Interesting indeed. Still, this could be the exception rather than the rule.
Also, though I only hear this from friends of my daughters or friends of friends, many servers cut in the cooks already via tip pools.
And then there is this, if an owner can see his cooks getting more via the 18% surcharge, would this then become the new normal and the hourly wage decline or stagnate?
Whatever model will work, the better the team, from top to bottom or bottom to top, the better the product. The more each member feels valuable, the better they tend to perform. Compensation is one way, recognition is another, and team decision making another.
But it usually starts with good management and Jay Porter, the owner/author sure seems to fit that description. |
21 pages later and were back to: The rest of the world is right. Restaurants should pay their staff and let customers throw in some extra if the service was special.
Too bad it actually becomes a legal issue depending how you implement it.  |
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| The only problem with the gratuity included is late night, when I'm with a group and we're all half-crocked... and then proceed to tip 20% on the total amount which already included the tip. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | Bump
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Don't add it on to the food prices though, anything but that. |
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10%-20% everytime.
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| Laker Lover wrote: | | LarryCoon wrote: | Bump
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Great article. It's what I've been insisting on except I'd just raise the price of food instead, letting patrons know not to leave tips. |
If you read it, they didn't abolish tipping, they just standardized it at 18% across the board.
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| ExPatLkrFan wrote: | There are all sorts of business models. Some places let the customer decide how much to pay. I read in an interview some time ago that at one restaurant people paid on average more than when they had prices on the menu.
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I think this thread is proof that as a general practice industry-wide, this approach will not work. Too many people will use it as an excuse to low-ball the price.
I believe that the built-in service fee is the best approach. |
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| Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | LarryCoon wrote: | Bump
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Don't add it on to the food prices though, anything but that. |
Makes sense, since there is no definition of what "good" service is, having a tipping system probably doesn't benefit anyone.
There have been social science experiments regarding the reward system, this probably is a tie in. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ExPatLkrFan wrote: | There are all sorts of business models. Some places let the customer decide how much to pay. I read in an interview some time ago that at one restaurant people paid on average more than when they had prices on the menu.
Ten Restaurants That Let You Pay As You Wish |
I think this thread is proof that as a general practice industry-wide, this approach will not work. Too many people will use it as an excuse to low-ball the price.
I believe that the built-in service fee is the best approach. |
Just saying there are many different business models out there. People act like there is only one. It is up to the owner to figure out how to make it work. But with franchising there is only ONE way to do it. The Franchise Way thus you are "guaranteed a profit" it is part of what you are paying for as a franchisee. Thankfully the world has not yet reached the point that everyone and everything has to be the same. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | | All this arguing over bovines at night. |
You are extremely late to the party with that joke. |
I was gonna go with a Mr. Pink line, but I just knew someone musta beaten me to it.
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Be careful here. When I click, my Kasperky denies me access calling it a phishing url.
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| That's not phishing. False positive. |
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I hate when people cover for my part of the ridiculous 15% instead of respecting my choice not to care about the stupid archaic and random gratuity number. don't pay more and just point me out to the waiter if you like, I don't care .
ok vent over, lol . tipping sucks |
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| oliverginob wrote: | I hate when people cover for my part of the ridiculous 15% instead of respecting my choice not to care about the stupid archaic and random gratuity number. don't pay more and just point me out to the waiter if you like, I don't care .
ok vent over, lol . tipping sucks |
Yeah the numbers are arbitrary.
I haven't seen people breaking it down to arrive at what is a "decent living wage" or whatever that means. Of course a "living wage" includes an iPhone and car.
I forgot to mention that most of these people pay ZERO taxes on cash tips. Hey how come they get to do that? |
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| in asia u dont tip. even ktv. |
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