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Thanks Obama.
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And, uh, a list of those states?
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| encina1 wrote: | | And, uh, a list of those states? |
Colorado and Washington are two. I think there's one more. |
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This has always been a subject of interest for me, being a civil libertarian--note the word civil.
Here's a question for our thoughtful attorney's among the flock.
We had the 18th amendment. Why?
If the Federal government can simply use the commerce clause to enact federal legislation, why didn't they in 1919?
Our constitution required a constitutional amendment to abolish the sale of liquor, but only took a congressional vote to pass a Federal law, or series of laws, to criminalize marijuana--even to the point, under Reich, that someone with a valid (yeah I know) prescription, can't grow a single pot plant in California, as it interferes with some non-existent legal commerce.
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| KOBemaster wrote: | | encina1 wrote: | | And, uh, a list of those states? |
Colorado and Washington are two. I think there's one more. |
Those are the only two states that have passed laws for non-medical MJ use. I believe it was on the ballot in Oregon as well last year but was voted down.
There are a number of states that have medical MJ laws.
They are trying to push to get it on the California ballot next year. This ruling by the Federal government should help as many states are afraid of federal interference.
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By the time it is decriminalized in Calif, it will be so regulated and taxed, and controlled by the plutocracy or cartels, that we'll (you'll/they'll) wish it was illegal.
Then again, I've heard it is easy to grow . . .
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| How about doing something about that federal legislation? Or does the government enjoy the privileges that these laws allow them too much? |
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| ribeye wrote: | By the time it is decriminalized in Calif, it will be so regulated and taxed, and controlled by the plutocracy or cartels, that we'll (you'll/they'll) wish it was illegal.
Then again, I've heard it is easy to grow . . . |
I really don't know. Prop 19, which was defeated back in 2012, was a bit of a mess and even the growers opposed it. From what I've been reading, this new coalition pushing to get it on the ballot in 2014 has their support this time. I think California didn't want to be the first state and, like many states, feared Federal reprisal if the law passed. I honestly believe there needs to be some regulation for consumer safety reasons and taxation is pretty much a forgone conclusion. Without tax revenue from sales why would any non-smokers care?
I really don't worry too much about big corporation getting involved. I almost see it as another conclusion to keep with demand, but if Budweiser and micro-breweries can co-exist they can too.
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| numero-ocho wrote: | | KOBemaster wrote: | | encina1 wrote: | | And, uh, a list of those states? |
Colorado and Washington are two. I think there's one more. |
Those are the only two states that have passed laws for non-medical MJ use. I believe it was on the ballot in Oregon as well last year but was voted down.
There are a number of states that have medical MJ laws.
They are trying to push to get it on the California ballot next year. This ruling by the Federal government should help as many states are afraid of federal interference. |
I know the governor of Colorado had an issue with the legalization. I have no doubt he thought the government would step in, but now he has to suck it up. |
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I know the governor of Colorado had an issue with the legalization. I have no doubt he thought the government would step in, but now he has to suck it up. |
And rural Colorado now wants to divide the state in two.
Fine, just as long as California get more proportional representation in the Senate; hence more electoral votes.
But if this is just two more senators for 55 people crap, then, sorry, you shouldn't get California's vote for a new state.
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I voted to legalize marijuana in Washington because I think it's the right thing to do, but I also felt somewhat uneasy about it because I don't believe in nullification. I hope the federal government repeals the federal law instead of just deciding not to enforce it. It probably won't happen anytime soon because there are too many people in Congress that believe in the gateway drug nonsense.
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| Wilt wrote: | | I voted to legalize marijuana in Washington because I think it's the right thing to do, but I also felt somewhat uneasy about it because I don't believe in nullification. I hope the federal government repeals the federal law instead of just deciding not to enforce it. It probably won't happen anytime soon because there are too many people in Congress that believe in the gateway drug nonsense. |
They will die or retire then be replaced in my lifetime. Change takes time, fortunately I've plenty. |
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| encina1 wrote: | | And, uh, a list of those states? |
PM me the address of the rock you live under and I'll mail you the list  |
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| lakerjoshua wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | I voted to legalize marijuana in Washington because I think it's the right thing to do, but I also felt somewhat uneasy about it because I don't believe in nullification. I hope the federal government repeals the federal law instead of just deciding not to enforce it. It probably won't happen anytime soon because there are too many people in Congress that believe in the gateway drug nonsense. |
They will die or retire then be replaced in my lifetime. Change takes time, fortunately I've plenty. |
As long as the alcohol, logging, paper, and cotton industries have a say, this issue will be around for awhile.
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| Wilt wrote: | | I voted to legalize marijuana in Washington because I think it's the right thing to do, but I also felt somewhat uneasy about it because I don't believe in nullification. I hope the federal government repeals the federal law instead of just deciding not to enforce it. It probably won't happen anytime soon because there are too many people in Congress that believe in the gateway drug nonsense. |
You really think that's why it stays illegal? Because they're true believers? It stays illegal because it benefits the government and certain special interests that grease their palms. |
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| Wilt wrote: | | It probably won't happen anytime soon because there are too many people in Congress that believe in the gateway drug nonsense. |
so naive.
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| Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | I voted to legalize marijuana in Washington because I think it's the right thing to do, but I also felt somewhat uneasy about it because I don't believe in nullification. I hope the federal government repeals the federal law instead of just deciding not to enforce it. It probably won't happen anytime soon because there are too many people in Congress that believe in the gateway drug nonsense. |
You really think that's why it stays illegal? Because they're true believers? It stays illegal because it benefits the government and certain special interests that grease their palms. |
That's one of the reasons. Lawmakers are corrupt, yes, but many of them are stupid, too. I seriously think they believe in that stuff because that's all they hear, whether it's from their constituents or special interests. The same people also seriously believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that life can be explained through intelligent design. Don't ever underestimate the stupidity of people in Congress, given that they reflect the people that elected them.
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Lawmakers only make laws that favors them.
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| Wilt wrote: | | Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | I voted to legalize marijuana in Washington because I think it's the right thing to do, but I also felt somewhat uneasy about it because I don't believe in nullification. I hope the federal government repeals the federal law instead of just deciding not to enforce it. It probably won't happen anytime soon because there are too many people in Congress that believe in the gateway drug nonsense. |
You really think that's why it stays illegal? Because they're true believers? It stays illegal because it benefits the government and certain special interests that grease their palms. |
That's one of the reasons. Lawmakers are corrupt, yes, but many of them are stupid, too. I seriously think they believe in that stuff because that's all they hear, whether it's from their constituents or special interests. The same people also seriously believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that life can be explained through intelligent design. Don't ever underestimate the stupidity of people in Congress, given that they reflect the people that elected them. |
Some lawmakers are stupid, but I believe the majority of them support the laws because they are paid to do so by special interests.
In the 1930's, inventors invented a machine that could process hemp in the same way that the cotton gin manufactured cotton. Hemp, unlike cotton is pretty much a weed. You can grow it anywhere. You can grow it in tropical climates like Florida or cold climates like Montana or Canada. And unlike cotton, hemp can be utilized to make paper, clothing, and hemp based ethanol for cars similar to corn based ethanol but much more efficient to produce. Hemp doesn't require as much water or nutrients in the soil that cotton or corn do.
Industries lobbied congress in the 1930's to establish cannabis as a "dangerous drug" and even called it "Marihuana" to associate it with foreigners. They then went on to ban the growing of hemp just because it looked like "Marihuana".
The prime mover behind these special interests was William Randolph Hearst, who owned a newspaper empire in addition to investments in several logging interests. Because of his ownership stakes in the logging industry he was able to afford to print newspapers at a lower cost than his competitors. If paper manufactured from a cheap source like hemp took place, the cost of entry for starting a newspaper would be dramatically reduced. Ditto with a clothing business.
This issue is more than just a "gateway drug" theory. There is big money involved and many are in a position to lose. With the newspaper industry hurting due to the advent of the internet, many of the newspaper interests have begun to lose their grip. Ditto with logging interests thanks to environmental policy changes. The cigarette and alcohol industries still have power, but considerably less now than they did 60 years ago.
Strangely enough, the Obama administration didn't say a word about hemp growing in it's statement to the press. They only mentioned "recreational use" of cannabis. Hemp is where the "big money" interests are at play. The politicians are still trying to appease their cronies that keep them in power while appearing more "sensible" to the public over cannabis. They will eventually have to answer the "hemp question" at some point. When that happens, the proverbial "poop" will hit the fan.
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