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I read that earlier today. If Bush and Schwarzenegger hadn't won a second terms I'd say he killed his chances to be president.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Bill Clinton Is Sorry For A Lot Of Things |
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| ribeye wrote: | Bill Clinton owns up.
Here are some of the mistakes he keeps apologizing for.
| Quote: | As president, Bill Clinton was wrong about Wall Street deregulation and various elements of his foreign policy, pushed trade policies that painfully drove up drug prices around the world, sowed chaos in Mexico through his prosecution of the drug war and exacerbated the problem of mass incarceration through an overly punitive approach to sentencing.
It may be a harsh judgment, but it's one that carries weight considering the source: former President Bill Clinton.
Unlike a lot of politicians, Clinton has shown a willingness to own up to his mistakes. Earlier this week, he offered a mea culpa around sentencing at the NAACP convention. Here's an incomplete list of policies he pursued as president that he has since acknowledged were not the best choices. |
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Too bad he won't apologize to UCLA students for taking their money and then not speaking when paid to do so bc of some BS reason (Excuse: Support the unions, Real Reason: Campus held a pro-Obama rally while Hillary was running).
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Donald Trump Is The World’s Greatest Troll
| Quote: | “A troll,” according to one definition, “is a person who sows discord … by starting arguments or upsetting people … with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
The goal of the troll is to provoke a reaction by any means necessary. Trolls thrive in communities that are open and democratic (they wouldn’t be invited into a discussion otherwise) and which operate in presumed good faith (there need to be some standards of decorum to offend). Presidential nomination contests are highly susceptible to trolling, therefore. Access is fairly open: There’s no longer much of a filter between the campaigns, the media and the public. And it’s comically easy to provoke a reaction. How many times between now and next November will we hear that a candidate’s statement is “offensive,” whether or not it really is?
Trolls operate on the principle that negative attention is better than none. In fact, the troll may feed off the negative attention, claiming it makes him a victim and proves that everyone is out to get him.
Sound like any presidential candidates you know?
There’s a notion that Donald Trump’s recent rise in Republican polls is a media-driven creation. That explanation isn’t entirely wrong, but it’s incomplete. It skims over the complex interactions between the media, the public and the candidates, which can produce booms and busts of attention. And it ignores how skilled trolls like Trump can exploit the process to their benefit.
Let’s look at some data. In the chart below, I’ve tracked how media coverage has been divided among the Republican candidates over roughly the past month (the data covers June 14 through July 12), according to article counts on Google News. In turn, I’ve shown the share of Google searches for each candidate over the same period. The data was provided to FiveThirtyEight by Google but should closely match what you’ll get by searching on Google Trends or Google News yourself. |
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| 32 wrote: | Donald Trump Is The World’s Greatest Troll
| Quote: | “A troll,” according to one definition, “is a person who sows discord … by starting arguments or upsetting people … with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
The goal of the troll is to provoke a reaction by any means necessary. Trolls thrive in communities that are open and democratic (they wouldn’t be invited into a discussion otherwise) and which operate in presumed good faith (there need to be some standards of decorum to offend). Presidential nomination contests are highly susceptible to trolling, therefore. Access is fairly open: There’s no longer much of a filter between the campaigns, the media and the public. And it’s comically easy to provoke a reaction. How many times between now and next November will we hear that a candidate’s statement is “offensive,” whether or not it really is?
Trolls operate on the principle that negative attention is better than none. In fact, the troll may feed off the negative attention, claiming it makes him a victim and proves that everyone is out to get him.
Sound like any presidential candidates you know?
There’s a notion that Donald Trump’s recent rise in Republican polls is a media-driven creation. That explanation isn’t entirely wrong, but it’s incomplete. It skims over the complex interactions between the media, the public and the candidates, which can produce booms and busts of attention. And it ignores how skilled trolls like Trump can exploit the process to their benefit.
Let’s look at some data. In the chart below, I’ve tracked how media coverage has been divided among the Republican candidates over roughly the past month (the data covers June 14 through July 12), according to article counts on Google News. In turn, I’ve shown the share of Google searches for each candidate over the same period. The data was provided to FiveThirtyEight by Google but should closely match what you’ll get by searching on Google Trends or Google News yourself. |
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Wow, there are so many upset bigots, um I mean Trump supporters, in the comments section.  |
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Politicians are in it to pocket money. Politicians essentially take bribes at the expense of the country. I see a conflict of interest there. Politicians got the U.S. into this $17 trillion hole. Why continue down the same path.
Rather give the guy who made $10 billion have a chance at it now.
If someone who made $10 billion is a side show clown troll, what does that make the corrupt politicians in office now? Politicians fear trump only because he's going to take away their bread and butter and clean up that mess of a corrupt system.
Trump made a good point, these guys running the country see so many zero's of money that is not theirs, that they'll overpay for anything. Trump having managed his own money so well will negotiate everything. |
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| 32 wrote: | Donald Trump Is The World’s Greatest Troll
| Quote: | “A troll,” according to one definition, “is a person who sows discord … by starting arguments or upsetting people … with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
The goal of the troll is to provoke a reaction by any means necessary. Trolls thrive in communities that are open and democratic (they wouldn’t be invited into a discussion otherwise) and which operate in presumed good faith (there need to be some standards of decorum to offend). Presidential nomination contests are highly susceptible to trolling, therefore. Access is fairly open: There’s no longer much of a filter between the campaigns, the media and the public. And it’s comically easy to provoke a reaction. How many times between now and next November will we hear that a candidate’s statement is “offensive,” whether or not it really is?
Trolls operate on the principle that negative attention is better than none. In fact, the troll may feed off the negative attention, claiming it makes him a victim and proves that everyone is out to get him.
Sound like any presidential candidates you know?
There’s a notion that Donald Trump’s recent rise in Republican polls is a media-driven creation. That explanation isn’t entirely wrong, but it’s incomplete. It skims over the complex interactions between the media, the public and the candidates, which can produce booms and busts of attention. And it ignores how skilled trolls like Trump can exploit the process to their benefit.
Let’s look at some data. In the chart below, I’ve tracked how media coverage has been divided among the Republican candidates over roughly the past month (the data covers June 14 through July 12), according to article counts on Google News. In turn, I’ve shown the share of Google searches for each candidate over the same period. The data was provided to FiveThirtyEight by Google but should closely match what you’ll get by searching on Google Trends or Google News yourself. |
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That troll is on top of the leaderboards for the Republican nomination....
Whats hilarious is the media trying to get a public apology from the Donald......if anybody has watched his NBC show "The Apprentice", he's a larger than life personality, bombastic even if he is wrong....so he is riding this attention for all its worth. |
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| Media trashing Trump is really opening the doors for new people to hear Trumps agenda. Trump says something controversial, media whines to no end, people tune in to hear the entire story, like Trumps agendas, bumps him up in the polls. Its working out perfectly for Trump. Backfires on negative media. The media will cry all week over Trumps comments on McCain, are they distracted? Cause there are some REAL issues to talk about. |
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| LakerChampionTradition wrote: | | Media trashing Trump is really opening the doors for new people to hear Trumps agenda. Trump says something controversial, media whines to no end, people tune in to hear the entire story, like Trumps agendas, bumps him up in the polls. Its working out perfectly for Trump. Backfires on negative media. The media will cry all week over Trumps comments on McCain, are they distracted? Cause there are some REAL issues to talk about. |
Some truth to that, but that is one level up from why. Trump appeals to aggressive, pseudomacho xenophobes, and the media being against him is the proxy for their own experience with more civilized folks. |
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| Trump is a logical conclusion of where the party has been heading for years. I'm not surprised he's topping the polls. |
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| 24 wrote: | | LakerChampionTradition wrote: | | Media trashing Trump is really opening the doors for new people to hear Trumps agenda. Trump says something controversial, media whines to no end, people tune in to hear the entire story, like Trumps agendas, bumps him up in the polls. Its working out perfectly for Trump. Backfires on negative media. The media will cry all week over Trumps comments on McCain, are they distracted? Cause there are some REAL issues to talk about. |
Some truth to that, but that is one level up from why. Trump appeals to aggressive, pseudomacho xenophobes, and the media being against him is the proxy for their own experience with more civilized folks. |
Ah yes the "civilized folks" who let everything slide to be politically correct. Not the kind of spineless leader we need. The kind who is not bold cause he's more interested in votes than taking a strong stand. Atleast everyone knows where trump is coming from and what he intends on doing and he doesn't answer to special interests. A candidate who's not in it for the money. That equates to integrity in public office. |
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| LakerChampionTradition wrote: | | Media trashing Trump is really opening the doors for new people to hear Trumps agenda. Trump says something controversial, media whines to no end, people tune in to hear the entire story, like Trumps agendas, bumps him up in the polls. Its working out perfectly for Trump. Backfires on negative media. The media will cry all week over Trumps comments on McCain, are they distracted? Cause there are some REAL issues to talk about. |
You say that like it's a good thing, or even a thing. The reality is, those that are tuned into the political spectrum are already set on their course. Trump's stupid rant isn't gluing to change anyone's mind on his end of the political spectrum. His polling numbers are more a result of his being an outspoken and high-profile celebrity making a political run. His comments are not going top have any meaningful impact on his end of the voting spectrum.
But he did however manage to shake up the Latino end of the spectrum. If anything, the media coverage of his comments is going to hurt him way more than it helps. He may be shoring up a few people who agree with him, but he is on a war path to alienate everyone else.
The "best" part? It's not the media who have created the situation, it's Trump. This Trump thing is NOT a function of the media. Trump has shot his mouth off since forever, and once he announced his candidacy he has stepped that up. Trump has been chasing media attention from the beginning. It's why he has been saying controversial things - to get the spotlight.
He will do quite well for himself in the early days leading up to the Primaries, but once things get real, Trump is long gone from the Presidential campaign.
The encouraging thing is that the rest of his competition in the Republican party is just as pathetic as he is, so when it becomes November 2016, I believe the portion of our nation that resides to the left to any degree will do the right thing and show up to the polls - the last thing people who agree with Trump, or his political equals, want. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | LakerChampionTradition wrote: | | Media trashing Trump is really opening the doors for new people to hear Trumps agenda. Trump says something controversial, media whines to no end, people tune in to hear the entire story, like Trumps agendas, bumps him up in the polls. Its working out perfectly for Trump. Backfires on negative media. The media will cry all week over Trumps comments on McCain, are they distracted? Cause there are some REAL issues to talk about. |
You say that like it's a good thing, or even a thing. The reality is, those that are tuned into the political spectrum are already set on their course. Trump's stupid rant isn't gluing to change anyone's mind on his end of the political spectrum. His polling numbers are more a result of his being an outspoken and high-profile celebrity making a political run. His comments are not going top have any meaningful impact on his end of the voting spectrum.
But he did however manage to shake up the Latino end of the spectrum. If anything, the media coverage of his comments is going to hurt him way more than it helps. He may be shoring up a few people who agree with him, but he is on a war path to alienate everyone else.
The "best" part? It's not the media who have created the situation, it's Trump. This Trump thing is NOT a function of the media. Trump has shot his mouth off since forever, and once he announced his candidacy he has stepped that up. Trump has been chasing media attention from the beginning. It's why he has been saying controversial things - to get the spotlight.
He will do quite well for himself in the early days leading up to the Primaries, but once things get real, Trump is long gone from the Presidential campaign.
The encouraging thing is that the rest of his competition in the Republican party is just as pathetic as he is, so when it becomes November 2016, I believe the portion of our nation that resides to the left to any degree will do the right thing and show up to the polls - the last thing people who agree with Trump, or his political equals, want. |
Politicians have so much blood, dirt and corruption on their hands and have put this country in a serious hole and its only going to be more of the same. Politicians can't do what is right because they're either greedy or answer to special interests. I'm over it. Someone needs to come in with no other agendas than making this country thrive
Trump was already a celebrity, he always had the limelight, a successful television personality. He's actually taking a step down to become president when you consider the life he lives. He doesn't need to run for president for attention. What is Trump going to say if he wins, oops this went to far, time to resign? He's in it for real. I've listened to all his interviews I could find, probably 10 hours worth and its nothing of what the media portrays. If people form opinions based on what the media says, you're ignorant. Media sidetracks and glorifies the controversial statements. They're a joke. |
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| LakerChampionTradition wrote: | | If people form opinions based on what the media says, you're ignorant. Media sidetracks and glorifies the controversial statements. They're a joke. |
That's true, but sound bites are a reality of our culture. If you don't know how to deal with it, then you will never get your message through the filter. A number of the candidates -- in particular Jeb Bush -- are showing that they are inept at dealing with this reality. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | LakerChampionTradition wrote: | | If people form opinions based on what the media says, you're ignorant. Media sidetracks and glorifies the controversial statements. They're a joke. |
That's true, but sound bites are a reality of our culture. If you don't know how to deal with it, then you will never get your message through the filter. A number of the candidates -- in particular Jeb Bush -- are showing that they are inept at dealing with this reality. |
Yeah, he was for it before he was against it, or he pals around with terrorists, got a lot of play.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Not at all. If it is poorly constructed, dried out, and tastes like cardboard, it's an authentic Cuban. If it's a good cigar, it's probably Dominican or Nicaraguan with a fake band. |
He knows his stuff! Haha. |
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I'm not bothered as much by candidates like Trump as I am by the gullible American voter.
When I heard his rant about "What Mexico's sending us," a rant straight out of "Cocaine Cowboys" a documentary by filmmaker Billy Corben, I thought, is he really serious about running for president?
After making that statement, why he's still a viable candidate is troublesome to me. There are probably some in the forum that are thinking of voting for him so I won't assign any labels.
Also, here's a man who's filed for bankruptcy 4 times. What's makes voters think he's qualified to run a country when he's 4 times put business entities in the red. It's mind boggling,
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I was just talking to someone about Trumps bankruptcies
the whole media system is a farce and built to brainwash Americans
Google doesn't even autocomplete "trump bankruptcy" when I type it on my phone
What have his bankruptcies cost us citizens would be a good question |
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McCain and the POW cover-up
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/07/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
McCain’s Role
An early and critical McCain secrecy move involved 1990 legislation that started in the House of Representatives. A brief and simple document, it was called “the Truth Bill” and would have compelled complete transparency about prisoners and missing men. Its core sentence reads: “[The] head of each department or agency which holds or receives any records and information, including live-sighting reports, which have been correlated or possibly correlated to United States personnel listed as prisoner of war or missing in action from World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam conflict, shall make available to the public all such records held or received by that department or agency.”
Bitterly opposed by the Pentagon (and thus McCain), the bill went nowhere. Reintroduced the following year, it again disappeared. But a few months later, a new measure, known as “the McCain Bill,” suddenly appeared. By creating a bureaucratic maze from which only a fraction of the documents could emerge – only records that revealed no POW secrets – it turned the Truth Bill on its head. (See one example, when the Pentagon cited McCain’s bill in rejecting a FOIA request.) The McCain bill became law in 1991 and remains so today. So crushing to transparency are its provisions that it actually spells out for the Pentagon and other agencies several rationales, scenarios and justifications for not releasing any information at all – even about prisoners discovered alive in captivity. Later that year, the Senate Select Committee was created, where Kerry and McCain ultimately worked together to bury evidence.
McCain was also instrumental in amending the Missing Service Personnel Act, which had been strengthened in 1995 by POW advocates to include criminal penalties, saying: “Any government official who knowingly and willfully withholds from the file of a missing person any information relating to the disappearance or whereabouts and status of a missing person shall be fined as provided in Title 18 or imprisoned not more than one year or both.” A year later, in a closed House-Senate conference on an unrelated military bill, McCain, at the behest of the Pentagon, attached a crippling amendment to the act, stripping out its only enforcement teeth, the criminal penalties, and reducing the obligations of commanders in the field to speedily search for missing men and to report the incidents to the Pentagon. |
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Donald Trump: ‘I love the Mexican people
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Have to admit Donald more than held his own in this back and forth with Jose Diaz-Balart, Balart was totally over matched.
Donald had no answer for what he'd replace Obamacare with, but no other Republican has either.
Great video. IMO. Donald actually makes a lot of sense.
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I find this sort of stuff to be disgraceful. While I am not a fan of John McCain, I find it ludicrous to accuse him of covering up information about missing POWs. While I question calling McCain a war hero, I find it despicable to fault him for being broken through torture. The idea that he covered up information about missing POWs because of his shame over his "confession" . . . Well, out of respect for the mods I will just say that I find that theory distasteful.
Let's be better than this. Didn't we learn anything from the swift boat garbage? |
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I find this sort of stuff to be disgraceful. While I am not a fan of John McCain, I find it ludicrous to accuse him of covering up information about missing POWs. While I question calling McCain a war hero, I find it despicable to fault him for being broken through torture. The idea that he covered up information about missing POWs because of his shame over his "confession" . . . Well, out of respect for the mods I will just say that I find that theory distasteful.
Let's be better than this. Didn't we learn anything from the swift boat garbage? |
Precisely. I am deeply disappointed with the direction McCain went politically (after kind of liking him back in 2000), but the man paid a huge price for serving his country, and I have nothing but respect for that. |
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After reading this article I have to admonish myself for not remembering the facts but believing from the heart.
I forgot McCain had broken. I ask for a senior citizen moment mulligan. I've done this on numerous occasions.
He acknowledged his weakness. I respect that. If the article is true I don't respect his continuing to cover the reality of missing prisoners left behind.
Acknowledging won't bring them home but would give rise to uncovering the truth for the benefit of families who have missing family members.
Hope can be a cruel, painful desire. If I had a missing family member I'd want to know.
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| 24 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: |
I find this sort of stuff to be disgraceful. While I am not a fan of John McCain, I find it ludicrous to accuse him of covering up information about missing POWs. While I question calling McCain a war hero, I find it despicable to fault him for being broken through torture. The idea that he covered up information about missing POWs because of his shame over his "confession" . . . Well, out of respect for the mods I will just say that I find that theory distasteful.
Let's be better than this. Didn't we learn anything from the swift boat garbage? |
Precisely. I am deeply disappointed with the direction McCain went politically (after kind of liking him back in 2000), but the man paid a huge price for serving his country, and I have nothing but respect for that. |
so, is the story false? |
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