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Very powerful. Sanders positions are forums seeped in Pollyanna-ism. In today's political climate how doable are they?
Deep seeded racism is the problem. How do you rid the country, world, of this plight?
I want to be a multi triliionair. Give me the formula, I'll bottle it and split the proceeds.
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | There's a generational divide among blacks. Older blacks are strong for Hillary, younger people haven't committed to anyone. That's why Bernie meeting with Sharpton seemed forced and ultimately pointless. The people he can reasonably reach don't care about Sharpton and people like him. |
Is the divide purely generational, or is it a case of establishment versus upstarts within the black community? Or is it a case where "establishment" and "older generation" indistinguishable? |
According to Chuck Todd, it's mostly generational. Young black people, many of whom are jobless or in debt, haven't really embraced Obama's presidency as much as those that have memories of the civil rights movement. So I guess older people trust the establishment, in this case Hillary and people like the CBC, a lot more.
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I believe it's party. Blacks have not been swayed to vote Republican. IMO, Obama is revered by Blacks. Hillary is party. Bernie's going to give HRC a run for her money.
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The daughter says that Bernie is a protester, and tbh, it seems that's what he is. He is great at pointing out the faults and championing the change.
The execution of his policies would seem like they would fall apart quite quickly. |
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Would any of Sanders' supporters here be willing to put together a list, as cursory or comprehensive as you please, as to why a Clinton backer should consider him instead? I'm not exactly on the fence, yet not totally closed to the idea.
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An even better Bernie ad.
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His campaign has been killing it with the ads. |
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Vox: Hillary Clinton finally found her argument against Bernie Sanders
| Quote: | We agree that we've got to get unaccountable money out of politics. We agree that Wall Street should never be allowed to wreck Main Street again. But here's the point I want to make tonight. I am not a single issue candidate, and I do not believe we live in a single issue country.
I think that a lot of what we have to overcome to break down the barriers that are holding people back, whether it's poison in the water of the children of Flint, or whether it's the poor miners who are being left out and left behind in coal country, or whether it is any other American today who feels somehow put down and oppressed by racism, by sexism, by discrimination against the LGBT community, against the kind of efforts that need to be made to root out all of these barriers, that is what I want to take on.
And here in Wisconsin I want to reiterate, we've got to stand up for unions and working people who have been at the core of the American middle class and who are being attacked by ideologues, by demagogues. Yes, does Wall Street and big financial interests along with drug companies, insurance companies, big oil, all of it, have too much influence? You're right.
But if we were to stop that tomorrow, we would still have the indifference, the negligence that we saw in Flint. We would still have racism holding people back. We would still have sexism preventing women from getting equal pay. We would still have LGBT people who get married on Saturday and get fired on Monday. And we would still have governors like Scott Walker and others trying to rip out the heart of the middle class by making it impossible to organize and stand up for better wages and working conditions. |
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Henry Kissinger’s War Crimes Are Central to the Divide Between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders
Dan Froomkin | Feb. 12 2016
The Intercept
Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.
The Clintons and the Kissingers regularly spend holidays together at a beachfront villa.
David Corn | Feb. 12, 2016
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Vox: Hillary Clinton finally found her argument against Bernie Sanders
| Quote: | We agree that we've got to get unaccountable money out of politics. We agree that Wall Street should never be allowed to wreck Main Street again. But here's the point I want to make tonight. I am not a single issue candidate, and I do not believe we live in a single issue country.
I think that a lot of what we have to overcome to break down the barriers that are holding people back, whether it's poison in the water of the children of Flint, or whether it's the poor miners who are being left out and left behind in coal country, or whether it is any other American today who feels somehow put down and oppressed by racism, by sexism, by discrimination against the LGBT community, against the kind of efforts that need to be made to root out all of these barriers, that is what I want to take on.
And here in Wisconsin I want to reiterate, we've got to stand up for unions and working people who have been at the core of the American middle class and who are being attacked by ideologues, by demagogues. Yes, does Wall Street and big financial interests along with drug companies, insurance companies, big oil, all of it, have too much influence? You're right.
But if we were to stop that tomorrow, we would still have the indifference, the negligence that we saw in Flint. We would still have racism holding people back. We would still have sexism preventing women from getting equal pay. We would still have LGBT people who get married on Saturday and get fired on Monday. And we would still have governors like Scott Walker and others trying to rip out the heart of the middle class by making it impossible to organize and stand up for better wages and working conditions. |
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She's gonna have to come up with a better argument that that. The obvious counter is that money in politics effects every issue.
And Bernie isn't a single issue candidate either. He has covered all of the issues that Hillary mentioned. Hillary saying she isn't a single issue candidate just makes it sound like she doesn't have a strong issue to stand on. Why is she running for president? Besides the fact that she wants the power. |
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Bernie is softening up Hillary for a Trump presidency....  |
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | Would any of Sanders' supporters here be willing to put together a list, as cursory or comprehensive as you please, as to why a Clinton backer should consider him instead? I'm not exactly on the fence, yet not totally closed to the idea. |
Bro, I hope Hillary is the first big booty woman that you EVER! endorse. Bernie lives in Candy Land. I guess he pushes the right buttons with his idealism and it's natural that youngsters who don't wanna pay back their student loans are attracted to his promises of free college. Even if that came to fruition, it wouldn't be retroactive to the young voters who have already signed their promissory notes. Those are binding contracts, kiddies. What I don't understand is how they can be so convinced of the bankruptcy of the government/Congress/Supreme Court and at the same time actually believe he can enact all that he's promising. Bill Clinton makes a point to mention that he had to abandon most of his campaign promises because the economy after 8+ yrs of "voodoo economics" (per Bush, 1980) was worse than he realized. Greenspan told him what to give up in order for the Fed to lower short term interest rates. Billy had to go on telly to address the nation what happened. Sh like that happens when the winner actually takes the mantle.
There also doesn't seem to be much substance to Sanders' foreign policy bent beyond repeating that he was against the two front war. His point about Kissinger was silly and out of the blue. Kissinger has a different reputation to old and young people, he's only speaking to the choir when he makes those kind of "artful smears".
I know Hillary's reputation is shot. Years and years of these so-called scandals have taken their toll. As smart as she is, she's not nearly as good at deflecting that kinda stuff as Bill was. However, like Bill, she's good at thinking on her feet when it comes to policy issues. I think she's a centrist like Bill. I don't have a problem with that, tbh. Those kind of presidents generally are decent stewards if not profoundly great leaders. If she's elected, I think the economy will continue to rebound. I gotta admit, tho, she's got a dis-likable and shrill way about her. She has ever since her first shot a mic during Bill's 92 run. It's not a deal-breaker as far my vote will go, but I'm concerned about Bernie's momentum. She unfortunately drew ANOTHER opponent who hordes of people actually LIKE. Like Maher said, "Hillary, you're running agianst a Socialist Jew. We're trying to make it easy for you."
This is the first time that I particularly don't want to vote for one of the Democrats (Bernie), should he get the nomination. He does not appeal to me at all. I'm personally surprised that I feel that way, it's weird.
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Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.
| Quote: | What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.
It was odd that the Clintons, locked in a fierce fight to win Democratic votes, would name-check a fellow who for decades has been criticized—and even derided as a war criminal—by liberals. Bill and Hillary Clinton themselves opposed the Vietnam War that Nixon and Kissinger inherited and continued. Hillary Clinton was a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee that voted to impeach Nixon, and one of the articles of impeachment drafted by the staff (but which was not approved) cited Nixon for covering up his secret bombing of Cambodia. In the years since then, information has emerged showing that Kissinger's underhanded and covert diplomacy led to brutal massacres around the globe, including in Chile, Argentina, East Timor, and Bangladesh.
With all this history, it was curious that in 2014, Clinton wrote a fawning review of Kissinger's latest book and observed, "America, he reminds us, succeeds by standing up for our values, not shirking them, and leads by engaging peoples and societies, the sources of legitimacy, not governments alone." In that article, she called Kissinger, who had been a practitioner of a bloody foreign-policy realpolitik, "surprisingly idealistic." |
Is Henry Kissinger A War Criminal? |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Vox: Hillary Clinton finally found her argument against Bernie Sanders
| Quote: | We agree that we've got to get unaccountable money out of politics. We agree that Wall Street should never be allowed to wreck Main Street again. But here's the point I want to make tonight. I am not a single issue candidate, and I do not believe we live in a single issue country.
I think that a lot of what we have to overcome to break down the barriers that are holding people back, whether it's poison in the water of the children of Flint, or whether it's the poor miners who are being left out and left behind in coal country, or whether it is any other American today who feels somehow put down and oppressed by racism, by sexism, by discrimination against the LGBT community, against the kind of efforts that need to be made to root out all of these barriers, that is what I want to take on.
And here in Wisconsin I want to reiterate, we've got to stand up for unions and working people who have been at the core of the American middle class and who are being attacked by ideologues, by demagogues. Yes, does Wall Street and big financial interests along with drug companies, insurance companies, big oil, all of it, have too much influence? You're right.
But if we were to stop that tomorrow, we would still have the indifference, the negligence that we saw in Flint. We would still have racism holding people back. We would still have sexism preventing women from getting equal pay. We would still have LGBT people who get married on Saturday and get fired on Monday. And we would still have governors like Scott Walker and others trying to rip out the heart of the middle class by making it impossible to organize and stand up for better wages and working conditions. |
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Off point but want make mention of the bold, italicized, underlined. Watched The Price Is Right the other day. They had newly wed couples day. One of the couples was same sex, two women, contestants. They won their way to the stage, lost their game.
Tip of the hat to TPIR and CBS.
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | Would any of Sanders' supporters here be willing to put together a list, as cursory or comprehensive as you please, as to why a Clinton backer should consider him instead? I'm not exactly on the fence, yet not totally closed to the idea. |
I'm on the fence, and as such I really couldn't care less who you vote for in the Primary as long as you are not one of those dolts who won't vote in the General Election if your candidate doesn't advance.
Such people should have their right to vote permanently revoked. |
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| Anybody watching the debate on CBS? Trump making friends with the audience again.... |
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| Trump is telling truths the audience didn't want to hear... |
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| TRUMP is on fire.... |
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| Trump: 9/11 happened under Bush watch, middle east destablization was Bush's fault, Jeb waffled 5 days whether to say Iraq War was a mistake.. |
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| Trump: 9/11 attacks was GWB fault. |
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Trumps smart enough to understand that he's in the very heart of Bubble-Land and that calling the 9-11 attacks on Bush's watch - Bush's responsibility is never going to fly with those dyed in the wool tards. He's posturing for the general election right now. To BubblepPeople, such comments are sacrilege, but to more moderate voters - it's a display of his being more reasonable than the typical conservative candidate and therefore palatable.
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| Aussiesuede wrote: | | Trumps smart enough to understand that he's in the very heart of Bubble-Land and that calling the 9-11 attacks on Bush's watch - Bush's responsibility is never going to fly with those dyed in the wool tards. He's posturing for the general election right now. To BubblepPeople, such comments are sacrilege, but to more moderate voters - it's a display of his being more reasonable than the typical conservative candidate and therefore palatable. |
Kasich tried to straddle the line. Gotta give Trump some credit though. Strange to hear something like that from a front-running Republican candidate. It may cost him though. He's already being accused of being a liberal in hiding, that doesn't help. That said, however, it seems his renegade persona is what got him this far in the first place, so what do I know?
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| The Party leaders in the RNC are gonna be crapping in their pants if Trump gets the nomination. He's a wildcard that can't be controlled....Blaming 9/11 on Bush Jr? |
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| Marco Rubios program for tonight is family. |
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