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| jodeke wrote: | | I didn't know trickle down worked. I thought it was a failure |
It didn't work. The little secret is that Reagan reversed course in the middle of his administration.
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Another Scientology advertisement in a Republican debate. 
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| Wouldn't be surprised if Jeb has a good showing in South Carolina. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Wouldn't be surprised if Jeb has a good showing in South Carolina. |
Well South Carolina is Ground Zero in the #keep_em_as_dumb_as_possible movement, so it's certainly possible.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Wouldn't be surprised if Jeb has a good showing in South Carolina. |
Most South Carolina polls have Trump in first with Jeb at a distant fourth. |
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Jeb - my mom is the strongest person I know
Trump- then she should be running |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Wouldn't be surprised if Jeb has a good showing in South Carolina. |
Most South Carolina polls have Trump in first with Jeb at a distant fourth. |
That was before the debate tonight.
I think Donald didn't do himself any favors in South Carolina....
For those people that are loyal to Trump, their opinions won't change tonight. But South Carolina tends to lean closer to the traditional GOP base. |
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| Quote: | According to a Bombs and Dollars analysis of Hillary and Bill Clinton’s paid speeches over the past two years, the Clintons earned $2.5 million giving speeches to companies that also lobbied the State Department while Clinton was Secretary of State and donated to the Clinton Foundation.
In all, the Clintons raked in $25 million giving paid speeches in 2014 and 2015, according to financial records summarized by Politico, with Bill demanding higher fees per speech–$254,000 to $235,000. |
9 Companies That Paid Clinton To Speak And Donated To Clinton Foundation Also Lobbied Clinton At State Department – OpEd |
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| kaoss128 wrote: | | Quote: | According to a Bombs and Dollars analysis of Hillary and Bill Clinton’s paid speeches over the past two years, the Clintons earned $2.5 million giving speeches to companies that also lobbied the State Department while Clinton was Secretary of State and donated to the Clinton Foundation.
In all, the Clintons raked in $25 million giving paid speeches in 2014 and 2015, according to financial records summarized by Politico, with Bill demanding higher fees per speech–$254,000 to $235,000. |
9 Companies That Paid Clinton To Speak And Donated To Clinton Foundation Also Lobbied Clinton At State Department – OpEd |
That was the reason she used her own private email account, to use her position as SS to get Bill speaking opportunities. That way she could communicate with "Dick" Weiner's wife to pursue and schedule those opportunities. And the one that was backed up on a server in someone's bathroom closet. Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.
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This is not a debate, it's a scream-fest. LINK The moderators seem to have no control.
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| jesus the GOP is a mess.. LMAO. |
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| marga86 wrote: | | jesus the GOP is a mess.. LMAO. |
The scary part is, one of these guys is going to win the nomination. Scarier than that, one may win the Presidency.   
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| Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | | Why does the GOP think Reagan was God? |
There are many reasons, including that he won both elections (especially his reelection) easily, that he symbolized a sense of re-birth after a sluggish Carter presidency, that his presidency happened to occur at the same time as the Soviet Union disintegrated, and that his presidency was relatively recent.
With those things in mind, he was gradually mythologized, which is a practice that goes back millennia with both real and imaginary people. So it no longer matters what he actually said or did, it matters more what his followers believe he said and did. So they emphasize the things they like about him (tax cuts, union busting, increase in defense spending, etc.), and they ignore the things they wouldn't like (tax increases, budget deficits, compromises with his political opponents, Iran-contra, the massacre of Marines and the subsequent withdrawal from Lebanon, etc.). They also give him extraordinary powers (single-handedly bringing down the Soviet Union and Communism in Eastern Europe).
So what they did was to reinvent a complex politician into an unwavering conservative hero. And that way they can just ask for his approval for anything they consider conservative, even if Reagan couldn't even imagine many of the problems we have today. For that reason, we always hear phrases like "This is what Reagan would have done if he were alive today."
I also think this is a consequence of the authoritarian impulses among many on the right. Reagan serves as this overseeing demigod that is always around to approve or reject their actions. But in reality, it's the followers that control what Reagan would have approved or rejected because they have recreated him in their own image.
Conservative leaders also know that the conservative base is not likely to read up on the real Reagan to understand the complexity of his presidency. So everyone gets from Reagan what they want, and the real Reagan is mostly lost them.
In the last debate, for instance, Rubio said that "they" (he never never said who "they" were) experimented with amnesty to solve the problem of illegal immigration. A few minutes later, he said that he grew up when Reagan was president and this nation needs a leader like Reagan. So in the former, he made sure not to mention that Reagan was one of "them" and, in the latter, he made sure to emphasize Reagan because it serves his argument.
Democrats have done similar things with FDR and Kennedy but it's nothing approaching what the Republicans have done with Reagan.
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| These fools are right to mythologize Reagan. The dude, for all his issues, could at least appear intelligent and in-command during a debate. Check out his bout with WFB Jr. in regard to the Panama Canal Treaties. |
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| Don Draper wrote: | | These fools are right to mythologize Reagan. The dude, for all his issues, could at least appear intelligent and in-command during a debate. Check out his bout with WFB Jr. in regard to the Panama Canal Treaties. |
He was a B movie actor, actor being the key word.
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Trump is awesome for the simple fact that he's made this election cycle the most entertaining of all time  Now he's threatening to run as an independent again! The GOP really shot themselves in the foot this year. |
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Hypothetically what would happen if Trump and Sanders ran as independents? Would there be four candidates on the ballot?
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| 32 wrote: | | Hypothetically what would happen if Trump and Sanders ran as independents? Would there be four candidates on the ballot? |
Sanders would never do that. He knows he wouldn't win and that it would only increase the likelihood of the Republican candidate taking the presidency. Trump, however, I could see doing it. He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Hypothetically what would happen if Trump and Sanders ran as independents? Would there be four candidates on the ballot? |
Sanders would never do that. He knows he wouldn't win and that it would only increase the likelihood of the Republican candidate taking the presidency. Trump, however, I could see doing it. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. |
I'm stunned by how many people on the left don't understand these dynamics. Between the ideas of splitting the vote or "I'm taking my vote and going home" there's no better way to ensure that what you DON'T want to see happen WILL happen. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Hypothetically what would happen if Trump and Sanders ran as independents? Would there be four candidates on the ballot? |
Sanders would never do that. He knows he wouldn't win and that it would only increase the likelihood of the Republican candidate taking the presidency. Trump, however, I could see doing it. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. |
I'm stunned by how many people on the left don't understand these dynamics. Between the ideas of splitting the vote or "I'm taking my vote and going home" there's no better way to ensure that what you DON'T want to see happen WILL happen. |
As a famous media pundit has said... eat the chicken.
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| 32 wrote: | | Hypothetically what would happen if Trump and Sanders ran as independents? Would there be four candidates on the ballot? |
Factually, Trump has only until March 1st to withdraw from the Texas Primary if he were to envision running as an Independent because Texas had a "Sore Loser" law that would preclude him from running as an Independent in that state if he runs on the Primary ballot and their Primary is March 1st.
And any candidate tha wishes to run as an independent nationally in all 50 states would have to clear the approx 900,000 petition signature total prior to the 1st Independent filing deadline which occurs in Texas on May 9th.
So the clock is definitely ticking, and this includes Bloomberg's decision. For all intents and purposes, May 9th is the "Drop-
Dead" filing date for an Independent to get on all 50 ballots.
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