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zass17
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 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: some kobe's clutch stats for reference |
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delete this if it has been post before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_bryant#Late-game_heroics
01/19/98: Lakers 92 - Magic 89
02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT)
05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Suns 96 (Western Conference Semifinals)
06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals)
11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110
02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Suns 83
01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86
02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94
03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96
05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (Western Conference Semifinals)
12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103
04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101
04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (OT)
02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86
02/19/04: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99
03/03/04: Lakers 96 - Rockets 93
03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT)
04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT)
03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116
11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT)
01/07/06: Lakers 112 – Clippers 109
01/12/06: Lakers 99 – Cavaliers 98
Note: Currently, Bryant has made 22 game-winning shots so far in his career. In comparison, Jordan had made 28 throughout his playing career. |
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CaCHooKa_Man
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| he probably will in the next 2 or 3 years. hes averaging around 3 game winning shots per year so its a possibility. |
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think he'll have 5 more this year alone.
Gotta remember that he wasn't always the only option for such shots,
while this year he's (generally) the only option at that point in the game.
He's also playing the best year of his career (or at least the only year
comparable to his 2002-2003 season).
I'll say by the end of next season's playoffs he has 28 or more. |
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tgf5
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty SURE there was one against the Hornets, but earlier than 2002. Back before 2000 at least... hm... |
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uberzev
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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If you guys see a missing game winner don't hesitate to edit the article.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Wow, this is great stuff. Go Kobe!!!
I bet he"ll have at least 3 more game winners this year.
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eniq 0x00
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | I think he'll have 5 more this year alone.
Gotta remember that he wasn't always the only option for such shots,
while this year he's (generally) the only option at that point in the game.
He's also playing the best year of his career (or at least the only year
comparable to his 2002-2003 season).
I'll say by the end of next season's playoffs he has 28 or more. |
Yeah, and remember that we're playing a lot of close games this season too. It equals way more opportunities for him to own the game.
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zass17
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| uberzev wrote: | | If you guys see a missing game winner don't hesitate to edit the article. |
hey mod
is the items of poll limited to 3 only?
was gonna add an "after 2007", but it won't let me
thank you! |
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uberzev
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| zass17 wrote: | | uberzev wrote: | | If you guys see a missing game winner don't hesitate to edit the article. |
hey mod
is the items of poll limited to 3 only?
was gonna add an "after 2007", but it won't let me
thank you! |
No its not. You just have to keep clicking on "add another option".
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zass17
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| uberzev wrote: | | zass17 wrote: | | uberzev wrote: | | If you guys see a missing game winner don't hesitate to edit the article. |
hey mod
is the items of poll limited to 3 only?
was gonna add an "after 2007", but it won't let me
thank you! |
No its not. You just have to keep clicking on "add another option". |
thanks but i could not edit the poll content no more |
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uberzev
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| zass17 wrote: | | uberzev wrote: | | zass17 wrote: | | uberzev wrote: | | If you guys see a missing game winner don't hesitate to edit the article. |
hey mod
is the items of poll limited to 3 only?
was gonna add an "after 2007", but it won't let me
thank you! |
No its not. You just have to keep clicking on "add another option". |
thanks but i could not edit the poll content no more |
I did it for you. 
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| love ya, yoda man |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| This season maybe Kobe will surpass MJ, but I repeast again maybe. I'm sure there's gonna be many close games where Kobe will make clutch shots in crunchtime. To surpass MJ, Kobe needs only 6 game-winners. He can do it. Lakers have 44 games left, so it's reachable thing, cuz we'll play in playoffs too. |
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| Hmm, not to kill everyon's buzz here... but a game winning shot is defined as a shot that puts the team ahead, and happens to be the last score of the game. I noticed a couple games here where that's not the case... Kobe may have fewer than 22 at this point. |
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| andrewonearth wrote: | | Hmm, not to kill everyon's buzz here... but a game winning shot is defined as a shot that puts the team ahead, and happens to be the last score of the game. I noticed a couple games here where that's not the case... Kobe may have fewer than 22 at this point. |
Yeah, and I see some games that are absent from that list that I would consider clutch shot masterpieces. What about the game in Dallas earlier this year, with under a minute left, and Kobe launches a 35 footer under pressure that essentially wins the game. It may not have been, technically, the last score, but when it comes to clutch, you know that Mark Cuban knows exactly who beat his team. |
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| Richcbt wrote: | | andrewonearth wrote: | | Hmm, not to kill everyon's buzz here... but a game winning shot is defined as a shot that puts the team ahead, and happens to be the last score of the game. I noticed a couple games here where that's not the case... Kobe may have fewer than 22 at this point. |
Yeah, and I see some games that are absent from that list that I would consider clutch shot masterpieces. What about the game in Dallas earlier this year, with under a minute left, and Kobe launches a 35 footer under pressure that essentially wins the game. It may not have been, technically, the last score, but when it comes to clutch, you know that Mark Cuban knows exactly who beat his team. |
True, there's no way to objectively measure "clutch shots". Basically, the only way I've seen it quantified is in "game winners". Where the player makes a shot that puts the team in the lead, and happens to be the last score of the game. So the Rockets game, where the lakers won by 3, that's when Kobe hit the big go-ahead shot over yao ming, and then the lakers made another 2 pts to seal the win. Same case with the clippers game earlier this year. With the cavs game this year, he made the shot to put the team up by 2, then lebron made 1 of 2 free throws to make the final score. Technically, those 3 games don't count.
I'm just pointing out the "official" way of measuring game winning shots. Kobe's hit a lot of game-tying shots at the buzzer as well, but unfortunately those are not counted. |
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^ Yes, game winners are just one side (and probably the most important) of being clutch. Game-tying shots sending the game to overtime (Kobe against Detroit, anyone?) should also be counted. Defense plays securing the win when the game is on the line (a steal or a rebound) should be counted too.
That's the reason because is so difficult to says who's more clutch - it's VERY HARD to track these stats. Not to mention that a game winner in regular season is nothing compared to a game winner in the playoffs.
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Good find, thanks  |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| I knew he was clutch,.. but DAMN!!!! The cat is MONEY!!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Where is Lakeshow09 when need him to put together a Kobe mix with all of his buzzer beaters. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I will never forget that game Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT) when Kobe with his 3 pointers win the game, the first 3 pointer tied the game went to OT and his last shot was crazy... |
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AirKobe8
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Depends what you consider game winning, do those 28 Jordan game winners count Shots where his team didint have last posession? (Like Lakers X Cavs, technically, LeBron lost the game cuz he took the last shot)
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zass17
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| KB8SD wrote: | | Where is Lakeshow09 when need him to put together a Kobe mix with all of his buzzer beaters. |
i remember there's a series of clutch shot clips taped together, the file name is called "kobe is NOT clutch" does any one have something like that? |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I did not know Kobe was this close to MJ |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| zass17 wrote: | | KB8SD wrote: | | Where is Lakeshow09 when need him to put together a Kobe mix with all of his buzzer beaters. |
i remember there's a series of clutch shot clips taped together, the file name is called "kobe is NOT clutch" does any one have something like that? |
For those who haven't seen that vid: http://storeandserve.com/download/73082/kobe-is-NOT-clutch.avi.html |
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