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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: Joel Embiid

Will be very interesting to see how he develops the next 4 months. If he improves, I would think you have to take someone with Hakeem upside over Carmelo or Tracy Mcgrady upside. Would love to have him on the Lakers next year.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:20 pm    Post subject:

I love this guy as well. His footwork seems so natural from the videos I have seen and also seems to have some nice touch around the basket. With a lot of hard work he can be great. (I think)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:10 am    Post subject:

I have been saying all along hes learning so fast and developing quickly that GMs are drooling over this guy because they think he can actually mold into a Hakeem player, he is easily a top 5 pick his upside besides Wiggins is off the charts
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:59 am    Post subject:

Replacement for D12.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:17 am    Post subject:

KB#8,#24 wrote:
Replacement for D12.


And cheaper too!

Seriously though, I've had my eye on Embiid for a while now. I would LOVE to see the Lakers get him. He could be a solid building block for the future.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject:

This year's draft is unbelievable. You end up with a #6 or better pick and you're guaranteed a good player. Really all of the projected top 10 look great.

Wiggins, Randle, Parker, Exum, Gordon, Embiid. -- That's my order.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:09 am    Post subject:

No one's guaranteed of anything, but there's nothing wrong with talking probabilities here.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:22 am    Post subject:

He could be good, but I have a feeling we're entering a new golden age of big men (not necessarily centers);

D12 will probably be relevant for at least four more years. Hibbert and Marc Gasol can play at this level for at least five more. Then there's Love and Griffin probably for the next ten. Then you have young guns like Vucevic, Cousins, Drummond and Davis. Nerlens Noel as well if he can come back as the player he was before tearing his ACL.

Can Embiid keep up with these guys?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:26 am    Post subject:

MambaMentality wrote:
He could be good, but I have a feeling we're entering a new golden age of big men (not necessarily centers);

D12 will probably be relevant for at least four more years. Hibbert and Marc Gasol can play at this level for at least five more. Then there's Love and Griffin probably for the next ten. Then you have young guns like Vucevic, Cousins, Drummond and Davis. Nerlens Noel as well if he can come back as the player he was before tearing his ACL.

Can Embiid keep up with these guys?


we're in the golden age of point guards.

these big men have nothing on the big men of previous decades. nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:08 am    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
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He could be good, but I have a feeling we're entering a new golden age of big men (not necessarily centers);

D12 will probably be relevant for at least four more years. Hibbert and Marc Gasol can play at this level for at least five more. Then there's Love and Griffin probably for the next ten. Then you have young guns like Vucevic, Cousins, Drummond and Davis. Nerlens Noel as well if he can come back as the player he was before tearing his ACL.

Can Embiid keep up with these guys?


we're in the golden age of point guards.

these big men have nothing on the big men of previous decades. nothing.


Apples and oranges

Sure, big men back then had a better back-to-the-basket game and, I'm guessing, they're physically stronger.

These new school guys (with the exception of Hibbert and Gasol) can play, and most importantly, guard multiple positions, can handle the ball better and are more athletic.

They aren't necessarily better or worse; they're just different.

As for the PGs, I think the new crop is getting way too much credit. The PG position is deep, but I can only see CP3, Westbrook, Rose, Irving and Curry as the ones with a chance of winning an MVP in their careers. The other guys, like Wall, Holiday, MCW, are good but I'm not too convinced they'll contend for that "best player alive" status.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject:

16 points 13 rebounds 2 block 7/7 from the field.

He's improving quick....looked way better today than in the Duke game.

How many 7 footers euro step? Even though he did not shoot, his jab near the 3 point line reminded me of Hakeem.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:06 pm    Post subject:

Corey78 wrote:
16 points 13 rebounds 2 block 7/7 from the field.

He's improving quick....looked way better today than in the Duke game.

How many 7 footers euro step? Even though he did not shoot, his jab near the 3 point line reminded me of Hakeem.


the guy if he puts it together IS HAKEEM! but nice game from him
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:15 am    Post subject:

Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:19 am    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.


Not completely, but he doesn't trip over his feet like D12, Griffin, and Okafor in the post.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.


Not completely, but he doesn't trip over his feet like D12, Griffin, and Okafor in the post.


Okay, but that doesn't put him anywhere near the category of Hakeem athletically, he was other worldly in terms of speed, quickness, fluidity.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:03 pm    Post subject:

best player in the class imo.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:26 pm    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.


Not completely, but he doesn't trip over his feet like D12, Griffin, and Okafor in the post.


Okay, but that doesn't put him anywhere near the category of Hakeem athletically, he was other worldly in terms of speed, quickness, fluidity.


Everything he is doing right now is a young Hakeem you cant deny that watching him play

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:34 pm    Post subject:

Money23 wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.


Not completely, but he doesn't trip over his feet like D12, Griffin, and Okafor in the post.


Okay, but that doesn't put him anywhere near the category of Hakeem athletically, he was other worldly in terms of speed, quickness, fluidity.


Everything he is doing right now is a young Hakeem you cant deny that watching him play



I don't think I've ever seen a seven footer euro-step so naturally/gracefully. Indeed, I'm not sure I've ever seen a seven footer euro step, period.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject:

Corey78 wrote:
Money23 wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.


Not completely, but he doesn't trip over his feet like D12, Griffin, and Okafor in the post.


Okay, but that doesn't put him anywhere near the category of Hakeem athletically, he was other worldly in terms of speed, quickness, fluidity.


Everything he is doing right now is a young Hakeem you cant deny that watching him play



I don't think I've ever seen a seven footer euro-step so naturally/gracefully. Indeed, I'm not sure I've ever seen a seven footer euro step, period.


Thats scary!! indeed
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject:

Money23 wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.


Not completely, but he doesn't trip over his feet like D12, Griffin, and Okafor in the post.


Okay, but that doesn't put him anywhere near the category of Hakeem athletically, he was other worldly in terms of speed, quickness, fluidity.


Everything he is doing right now is a young Hakeem you cant deny that watching him play



I'm saying he's not close to being the same athlete as him, that's it. Do you dispute that?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject:

Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Money23 wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Fan0Bynum17 wrote:
Please stop comparing him to Hakeem, he doesn't have his agility.


Not completely, but he doesn't trip over his feet like D12, Griffin, and Okafor in the post.


Okay, but that doesn't put him anywhere near the category of Hakeem athletically, he was other worldly in terms of speed, quickness, fluidity.


Everything he is doing right now is a young Hakeem you cant deny that watching him play



I'm saying he's not close to being the same athlete as him, that's it. Do you dispute that?


Ok good but this guy stock is rising fast
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject:

He may not be perceived as quick or jump as high as Hakeem, but I think we're judging a polished Akeem Olajuwon out of college.

Honestly, I would debate Embiid #1. All of the physical tools with the hoop IQ, should make adding a post game naturally easy. Fluid athlete with mobile, heavy feet. Once those feet are set, they're planted, and that's idea for holding post position. Nevermind the fact that he's unselfish and has a shooting touch at the FT line.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:24 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
He may not be perceived as quick or jump as high as Hakeem, but I think we're judging a polished Akeem Olajuwon out of college.

Honestly, I would debate Embiid #1. All of the physical tools with the hoop IQ, should make adding a post game naturally easy. Fluid athlete with mobile, heavy feet. Once those feet are set, they're planted, and that's idea for holding post position. Nevermind the fact that he's unselfish and has a shooting touch at the FT line.


agree w/embiid at #1 even if he enters the draft after just a single season(assuming he keeps developing at this rate)

what would lock it up imo would be hand measurements. if he has giant hands that he can grip the ball with like other freak centers e.g. deandre j then it makes him that much more complete. babyhands force too much extra thought for moves imo. have to be conscious of it getting stripped, etc. if you have a vicegrip on the ball like a kawhi leonard it just opens up the moveset

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:49 am    Post subject:

9 points / 8 rebounds / 1.7 assist / 1 block at 69.2%FG in 19 minutes, it looks quite good so far.
He doesn't seem better than most big guys at the FT line (56.3%) and I would expect a bit more blocks for a 7-footer but that's not bad.
Being a center he will be picked higher than he would be if being at an other position. He is announced mid top 10 so far.
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