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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: BULLS -at- LAKERS - 2-9-14 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Too Little, Too Late… The Lakers went scoreless out of the gates and played behind from there. The Kaman/Hill bigman combo once again helped right the ship as they battled for a combined 42 points and 19 boards off the bench (they were a +12 and +15, respectively).

While they played together, they made things close down the stretch behind Kaman’s season-high 27. They could never get over the hump, however, and the Lakers fell 92-86.

ABC threw Steve Javie into the announcing crew to throw some different color into the mix as well as throwing a mic on the refs. I actually liked it. The view of what the refs are looking at, what they should be doing/thinking, etc., all made for some added insight you don’t usually get. (Would have been interesting had he been there during that Cavs/Laker came a couple games back.)

Props to Staples for staying in this game and giving some loud “Defense!” chants down the stretch. The lineup has been decimated, but fans still cheer for the W’s.


Nash -- -- Nash came up hobbling in the second half after some contact. He played a few minutes after that and seemed to look better. On the sideline, you could see him talking with Vitti about it. Apparently, he took a shot to the same injured leg that had caused the nerve problems. He didn’t return after that. Who knows what the status will be, but they need a consistent vet on this team. The Lakers went scoreless for the first few minutes of the game. Out of the timeout after that, you could see Nash get them on track by setting up a teammate for a score, then scoring on three straight trips himself. This is what your vet impact players need to do. The Lakers just haven’t had that this season when things go wrong early on. Having Kobe, Nash and Pau out there can quickly solve a lot of issues. In the second half, Nash had the only score for the first few minutes, as well, when the Lakers struggled. Then sat with the injury. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 3-4 shooting (2-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 21 minutes. He was a -24. The Action: He set up Sacre for the Lakers first score. He attacked next time down and hit the running bank hook over his man. He swished a pull-up 16-footer off the high screen next time down. He attacked, drew contact and threw it up at the rim for FTs, he made both. He attacked the paint and threw it away. He setup Hill for a layup off the screen-roll. Second Half: He was blocked on a reverse. He attacked the paint and banked to get the Lakers scoring going in the second half after a couple minutes of scoreless ball. He was stripped and wanted the foul and came up limping briefly. He attacked the paint and threw it away.

Blake -- -- We saw a Blake, Nash, Marshall trio all out there at the same time today. The Bulls had a couple PGs to help make this possible, but definitely something you never see. Blake helped the Lakers trim the lead down late with a couple of nice setups and a big steal at midcourt. He had a huge turnover, though, with 24 seconds left trying to hit Kaman rolling. That killed the Laker run. But that tough two-way play has been so rare for this Laker team, and Blake’s contributions there when healthy have been huge to the little success the team has had. Tough game from him today on a shooting and turnover standpoint. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 3-12 shooting (2-6 from three) to go with 4 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, 5 turnovers and 4 fouls in 40 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He missed a tough turnaround up against the shotclock. He missed a corner three and wanted the foul. He bobbled away a bounce pass. He drained a wing three off the handoff. He missed a three off the handoff out of a timeout. He threw a pass away in transition (he had bobbled one out of bounds earlier). He missed a wing three on a kickout. Second Half: He bricked a turnaround. He drew a charge on a drive on help D. He missed a corner three. He swished a wing three on the Marshall kickout. He drew another offensive foul, taking a hit to the face on a drive. He missed the short, open runner inside the FT line, big miss that could have cut it to 6. He tried to draw a foul at the three line and airballed (no Nick Young on that one). He attacked and set up Kaman for the score. He then swiped the ball at midcourt and it led to a Wes dunk to cut it to 4. Big turnover trying to hit Kaman rolling with a bounce pass. He missed a tough leaner when a play busted.

Kelly -- -- Slow start for Kelly, missing shots early on and having Gibson go at him at the other end. His minutes were limited and he was scoreless. Not a good game from him. You’re going to have these from your young guys. But the Sacre/Kelly inconsistency hurts the Lakers chances, for sure, considering the minutes. At least Kelly seems to bounce back from these and sting together more good ones than bad ones. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-5 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 2 boards, 1 assists, 1 block and 1 foul in 16 minutes. He was a -5. The Action: He missed a three on the Lakers first attempt. He blocked Hinrich’s jumper. He badly missed a floater in the lane. He missed a pull-up at the elbow. He stripped Gibson on a post up (after Gibson scored easily on him on the previous play). He found Hill in the interior for the short one. He attacked in transition and was blocked. Second Half: He missed a wing three an wanted the foul.

Johnson -- -- Quite a bit of settling for jumpers out of gates in this one. When he didn’t and attacked, good things usually happened. He had a couple of nice drives where he drew the D in the paint and setup a teammate. If he can pass off the dribble or elevate over defenders with his superior ups, why not do it more often? To impose your will on an opponent, you have to play to your strengths. Don’t settle. Very bipolar ball from him. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-8 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 4 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 30 minutes. He was a -10. The Action: He airballed a wing three. He sank a wing jumper. He missed a long pull-up chuck in transition. He attacked off the three line, drew the D and set up Kaman for the dunk. He elevated over his man off a give and go and scored the layup. Second Half: He missed a sideline three. He missed a jumper. He rejected a shot at the rim in transition, good job hustling back to support Marshall. He settled and misfired another long jumper, sigh. He attacked and fed Hill under the hoop for a layup. He dunked off the interior feed from Kaman.

Sacre -- -- The Sacre/Kelly or Sacre/Williams lineups struggled quite a bit. Offensively, they couldn’t find rhythm. Defensively, the units just gave up scores at will. Just awful. They just stole minutes from Hill/Kaman today. Sacre did nothing out there. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-6 shooting to go with 4 boards and 3 fouls in 20 minutes. He was a -18. The Action: He hit a floater off the two-man game with Nash for the Lakers first score. Second Half: He missed a hook in the post to start the half. He missed a one-hander, way short on his next touch. He missed an 18-footer, uggh. He shoved Noah under the hoop on the defensive glass instead of using his body to give up a second chance. He was blocked trying to power up under the hoop.

Marshall -- -- Van Gundy was talking about Marshall’s low release on his jumper. I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone block it yet. Maybe once, but I don’t recall it happening. It may not be ideal, but if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. He’s deadly from behind the arc and willing to take the shot. He sank several today. He did a great job orchestrating the offense, as usual. I would have liked to see him a little more aggressive, taking the game upon himself, when the Lakers had a couple of lulls offensively. But he’s still young and developing his weapons. He had a few too many turnovers today, but a couple of those looked like they weren’t hit fault. The Stats: He scored 13 points on 5-6 shooting (3-3 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 11 assists, 1 block, 5 turnovers and no fouls in 37 minutes. He was a +14. The Action: He setup Kaman off the two-man game for a score in the lane. He came off a screen and threaded a pass to Kaman for the layup. He threw a pass out of bounds trying to hit Wes cutting, who he thought was held. He drained a wing three on a kickout. He measured and drained a wing three on the cross-court kickout. Sweet touch pass from the corner on a Blake-to-Nash-to-Marshall, bang-bang passing sequence in transition to set up Hill for the uncontested score under the hoop just before the halftime buzzer. Second Half: Sloppy pass off the screen, layup the other way. He curled into the lane and scored a layup with speed around his man (used the body well after turning the corner). He drained a quick-fire corner three with a man on. He missed an 18-footer, pulling up after coming around a screen. He set up Kaman for FTs off the two-man game. He attacked, ball-faked to freeze the D in the paint, then scored the layup between the defenders. He found Blake cross-court for the three.

Hill -- -- He and Kaman had one of the Lakers better stretches again today. When we ran Kaman without him, the Lakers floundered. Hill gave the Lakers that bulk on the boards they needed. It made a huge difference on both ends. We got second chances on offense and low post scores and on D he boxed out well and gave us one-and-out possessions. Very active game from him. He had a big block on Noah that was called for a foul late, too bad he didn’t get the call. That was a key sequence. The offensive board numbers don’t show how effective he was there today. The Stats: HE scored 15 points on 6-12 shooting (3-3 from the line) to go with 9 boards (3 offensive), 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 26 minutes. He was a +15. The Action: He missed a turnaround after backing his man down in the lane. He hit the jumphook in the lane off the interior feed from Kelly. He scored a layup over a man off the two-man game with Nash. He tried to force a pass to Sacre in the paint, turnover. He was blocked trying to power up in the paint. Not close on the pick-and-pop jumper. He scored a layup on the quick-fire corner feed from Marshall at the end of the half. Second Half: Nice boxout and board. Wes attacked, drew the D and hit Hill under the hoop, who then hooked over his man. He regained a possession battling on the glass, we went back to him and he scored an And-1 layup in the post, he made the FT. He iso’d missed, got it back, attacked, missed, got it back and reset the offense. Doing work early, he moved a rebounder, skied for the miss and was fouled to reset the offense. He swished a 14-footer inside the FT line off the two-man game with Marshall. He grabbed a Blake miss and was tapped on the And-1 putback, that would have been big with 10 seconds left to cut it to 3, he made both FTs.

Kaman -- -- A season high today. He was aggressive offensively throughout the game. The Kaman/Hill duo again helped dig the Lakers out of a big hole early in the game. Chris was aggressive and effective offensively, getting to the rim for scores or hitting short jumpers. In the third quarter, he didn’t have as much luck, missing quite a bit, but picked it back up in the fourth. That’s been our best lineup in the last couple of games over the Sacre/Kelly duo. Good job by Kaman doing his thing and keeping the Lakers competitive. He should have had a few more minutes in this game, but MDA may have been fooled by how bad the smaller PFs looked alongside Kaman vs. Hill. “How can you have a doghouse when you don’t have any players?” Michael Cooper asked afterward about D’Antoni’s play of Kaman. The Stats: He scored 27 points on 13-23 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-4 from the line) to go with 10 boards, 3 assists, 2 blocks, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 28 minutes. He was a +12. The Action: He missed an elbow jumper. He scored in the lane off the two-man game with Marshall. He sank a wing jumper. He dribbled the ball off his foot, unforced turnover. He dunked off the drive and dish from Wes. He took a pass trailing the break, spun around a defender and scored a layup. He set a screen, rolled to the hoop and Marshall hit him for the layup. He found Wes on the give and go for a layup. He missed a short jumphook at the front of the rim. He missed a turnaround from the left side. He backed Noah down, pump-faked to lose him and hit the short turnaround. He iso’d and hit the Dirk fade in the lane over Noah. He attacked and threw it away for a layup the other way. Second Half: He missed a 16-footer, looked like a hitch in that jumper. He took too long to figure out what he was going to do and was stripped in the paint. He missed an elbow jumper next time down. Low position and he drew a whistle, he made one FT. He missed a wing jumper. He overpowered Noah and scored a layup over him. He drew FTs off the two-man game with Marshall, he missed both. He scored easily around Noah after low position, but gave up too good a look for Noah at the FT line on the other end. He spun and hit the lefty jumphook next time down. He missed a wing jumper. He attacked a crowd, brought the ball back to his right hand and was blocked. He got dunked on by Noah on the other end. Out of a timeout, he posted up and hit the lefty jumphook with a nice touch. He got tapped on a layup. He sank a wing jumper to trim it to 6 with 1:40. He powered in a layup off the Blake drive with over a minute left. He hit Wes for the dunk after drawing the D. He airballed a three with 4 seconds left.


Williams -- -- Usual quiet sort of game from him. He scratched out a few scores for us, which is what you want with him stretching the floor. He missed a big three in the fourth during a stretch the Lakers were struggling to get over the hump against the Bulls. Didn’t like it when we ran him at PF. Much better at SF with the longer lineups. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 2-6 shooting (1-5 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 1 steal and 2 fouls in 22 minutes. He was a -6. The Action: He ball faked and hit the wing three after freezing his defender. He missed a half court heave at the buzzer. Second Half: He swished a baseline jumper when his man gave him room. Looked like he blocked his man and Kaman controlled it. He missed a wing jumper. He attacked in transition and drew a blocking foul, he made both FTs. He missed a corner three. He missed a big open three trailing the break.

D’Antoni -- -- The Lakers were down 10-0 out of the gates, bricking everything during the first 4 minutes. This is where Nash needs to step up and get them on track. He hadn’t taken a shot… Out of that timeout, Nash had an assist and three scores. Thanks, Steve!… He brought in Williams for Kelly down 6… Down 13, he subbed in Marshall and Kaman for Nash and Sacre… The Lakers were down by 11 after the first, trailing 34-23… He started the tall Kaman, Hill, Kelly unit with Johnson and Marshall. Then after cutting the lead to 5, went with the small Marshall, Nash, Blake trio all on the court at once. Another new lineup we’ve never seen… They trimmed it to three, then called a timeout down 5 after a turnover… Out of that timeout, he sat Kaman for Sacre… The Lakers trailed 52-46 at the half… Down 11, he sat Kelly for Williams… Down 13, he went with Kaman, Williams, Blake, Nash and Marshall… He sat Nash for Johnson and they discussed Nash’s back on the sideline… Lakers struggled to get stops and trailed by as many as 19… Down 14, they went with a Kaman, Hill, Williams, Johnson, Marshall lineup… The Lakers trailed by 15 to start the fourth, down 77-62… He went with a Sacre, Hill, Williams, Blake, Marshall unit… They cut the lead to 10 forcing a timeout… He brought in Kaman for Sacre… The two teams traded hoops for a while before the mandatory timeout came… He sat Williams for Johnson… Kaman helped them cut it to 6 with a minute and a half left… They cut it to 4 with under a minute left, forcing a timeout… Big turnover by Blake trying to run the two-man game. That ended it… The Lakers had 18 turnovers…
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:09 pm    Post subject:

First! (if anyone cares)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:11 pm    Post subject:

Thibb's offense is so challenged that they can't even score 100 against the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:25 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB...mentioned it in another thread but I would like Kaman to stick around...very underrated center whose skills won't diminish much in the next couple years...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:30 pm    Post subject:

After watching Kaman and Hill today, I have to ask again, as I did every single game since Sacre got into the lineup, why the (bleep) does Rob play? He has zero skills. He can't score, he can't shoot, he can't board, he can't pass, and he isn't a very good defender. He works hard, but he does NOTHING on the floor because he sucks.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject:

^Maybe because Mike D'Antoni wants to tank and that meeting between Kupchak and D'Antoni earlier was to do just that?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject:

Feeling kind of emo and down today...I think the winter is really starting to get to me. Watching this game did not help.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:48 pm    Post subject:

Missed the game so thanks for the recap.

Cooper is right, how can Kaman be in the doghouse when we barely have enough healthy players to field a team? MDA needs to use the guys he has.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:45 pm    Post subject:

MDA cannot continue to make excuses for playing Sacre over Kaman. Kaman has game--MDA may not like it but Kaman deserves to play starter minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Kamans season high should of been a win for him but it got wasted
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:55 pm    Post subject:

Just inexplicable to me why they have let Kaman rot on the bench all year if they're not tanking intentionally.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:22 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Just inexplicable to me why they have let Kaman rot on the bench all year if they're not tanking intentionally.


This, so much this. There is zero excuse for playing Sacre over Kaman. Kaman isn't great, but he has offensive skill and can occasionally grab boards, which is far, far more than anyone can claim about Sacre.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:25 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Just inexplicable to me why they have let Kaman rot on the bench all year if they're not tanking intentionally.


This, so much this. There is zero excuse for playing Sacre over Kaman. Kaman isn't great, but he has offensive skill and can occasionally grab boards, which is far, far more than anyone can claim about Sacre.


Sacre's offense is just so offensive. Kaman has a wet mid-range shot, and his offense is light years ahead of Sacre's. I just don't understand.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Just inexplicable to me why they have let Kaman rot on the bench all year if they're not tanking intentionally.


This, so much this. There is zero excuse for playing Sacre over Kaman. Kaman isn't great, but he has offensive skill and can occasionally grab boards, which is far, far more than anyone can claim about Sacre.


Sacre's offense is just so offensive. Kaman has a wet mid-range shot, and his offense is light years ahead of Sacre's. I just don't understand.


Tanks for that analysis
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mhan00 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Just inexplicable to me why they have let Kaman rot on the bench all year if they're not tanking intentionally.


This, so much this. There is zero excuse for playing Sacre over Kaman. Kaman isn't great, but he has offensive skill and can occasionally grab boards, which is far, far more than anyone can claim about Sacre.


It illustrates rather well why D'Antoni shouldn't be in the long term plans for this team as a coach.

He takes everything personally and doesn't like guys like Kaman who challenge his authority. Unfortunately, it is easy to mask his terrible coaching job with the unprecedented level of injuries that have struck the squad. However, those injuries themselves are a symptom of his coaching choices.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:46 pm    Post subject:

Thanks again DB.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:16 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Thibb's offense is so challenged that they can't even score 100 against the Lakers.
other offensively-challenged teams have scored 110 points
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:53 pm    Post subject:

Hey, DB, thanks!

You say Lakers need Nash's vet leadership an loosing him again may be costly. Yet, Nash was -24 while Marshall was +14. The way I see, Nash is more hurting the team than helping (except for the some stints like the one after the time out).

Kaman playing like this (I think he has been ready for it the whole season) makes Pau expendable. Let's get some value back for him if we can.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:35 am    Post subject:

I live in SF, and I always try to come out to staples at least once a year. I paid for our tickets at the beginning of the season expecting this to be a good game. You know how that turned out.

Our team just looked horrible. I was glad it was a close game towards the end.... until we just turned the ball over (theme of the game).

Go Lakers...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject:

s_habe wrote:
Hey, DB, thanks!

You say Lakers need Nash's vet leadership an loosing him again may be costly. Yet, Nash was -24 while Marshall was +14. The way I see, Nash is more hurting the team than helping (except for the some stints like the one after the time out).

Kaman playing like this (I think he has been ready for it the whole season) makes Pau expendable. Let's get some value back for him if we can.


Nash started with the Sacre/Kelly lineup, which wasn't working like the Kaman/Hill combo that Marshall played with. Big difference in +/- because of that. Can't look at those stats in a vacuum.
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