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mastersworddude
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 Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: No one sees that this team is well coached? |
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There is no reason this team should be even competing in most of these games, they aren't getting blown out like most of the other tanking teams.
MDA is getting the most out of nothing, they just don't have enough talent. |
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InstinctualGenius
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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This is the Lakers.
Only W's & L's matter when it comes to coaching.
I agree though that MDA has been doing well given the situation the team is in.
He had this team of broken toys and castoffs competing against several Finals contenders.
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Peoples Hernandez
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Truth be told, M'A is doing a good job but we are the Lakers. A franchise that employed Bill Sharman, Pat Riley, and Phil Jackson. When we evaluate coaches it's not if they can help us win BS regular season games. It's can they win rings. That's why M'A isn't liked or welcomed around these parts. Dudes a joke and most fans know this.
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TheElectronica
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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They are well coached.
D'Antoni is a very good coach. There is a reason why Phoenix was always so competitive and pre-Melo Knicks looked very good. The issue for D'Antoni has always been his ability to control the egos on his team as well as the fact that he falls in love with floor spacing which results in poor rebounding. That works when you have guys like Marion being an elite rebounder as well as an elite floor spacing 4, but he puts a premium on floor spacing which hurts rebounding and interior defense. |
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LakerLanny
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Pringles is tight you are saying?
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Jajwanda
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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The main problem is that Pau and Kelly can't defend the basket along with a bunch of injuries.
I'll put it to you this way:
- A guy from the D-League
- A cast off SG from Philly
- A bust
- A late 2nd rounder
- A big man that no one wanted at the trade deadline in Chris Kaman
Nearly beat OKC. |
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Chad09
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| He just needs one of the best P&R PG to ever play the game, and one of the best P&R big man to ever play to make him look good and have a winning record. Jeff Hornacek is already a better coach than MDA. |
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theunknownsoldier
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: No one sees that this team is well coached? |
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| mastersworddude wrote: | There is no reason this team should be even competing in most of these games, they aren't getting blown out like most of the other tanking teams.
MDA is getting the most out of nothing, they just don't have enough talent. |
Well coached d? |
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: No one sees that this team is well coached? |
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| mastersworddude wrote: | There is no reason this team should be even competing in most of these games, they aren't getting blown out like most of the other tanking teams.
MDA is getting the most out of nothing, they just don't have enough talent. |
Because everyone is judging him against the past success and championships of Phil Jackson. They think that with Phil in the high chair, this roster would be having the typical success of a Phil team even though this roster has nowhere near the talent of even the worst of Phil's teams.
I think eventually the fans will get their wish and DAntoni will be fired and they can go back to blaming Jim Buss and dreaming about the mythical day that Phil comes out of retirement. |
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Nnamdi21
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I think Dantoni is a good coach who might be able to get a team a decent playoff spot but will have issues getting them over the hump. Sort of like Del Harris. He's not a bad choice for them right now and for the next few years. Once they have compiled enough talent to compete for a championship, he'll be on the hot seat. this will all work out.  |
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ch3cky0selff00
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Peoples Hernandez wrote: | | Truth be told, M'A is doing a good job but we are the Lakers. A franchise that employed Bill Sharman, Pat Riley, and Phil Jackson. When we evaluate coaches it's not if they can help us win BS regular season games. It's can they win rings. That's why M'A isn't liked or welcomed around these parts. Dudes a joke and most fans know this. |
LOL.
This is his first full season which has been a disaster in terms of injuries. There isn't a coach on the planet that could've made this a championship team with the amount of injuries the Lakers have had to overcome. Not. A Coach. On. This. Planet.
His first season.. he inherited a dysfunctional team. Dwight Howard didn't want to be there. Period. If Steve Nash has issues with you.. you know something is wrong.
Give Mike D'Antoni a team that stays healthy.. and I think alot of you guys would be surprised with the outcome. But then.. it would be all because of the players and not because of the coach. |
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Chad09
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| People are defending the same coach that made Dwight leave. Amazing. |
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Will2Win
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| D'antoni is the greatest coach ever, he has won 6 championships, led the knicks to the best record in the East, and is even willing to let his amazing achievements falter just to give the Lakers a top pick in this years draft. Also best management of minutes in the League. |
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InstinctualGenius
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| Chad09 wrote: | | People are defending the same coach that made Dwight leave. Amazing. |
Made Dwight leave?
Kobe probably made Dwight leave more than the coach.
Even nice guy Nash was talking sh1t about Howard.
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Chad09
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| InstinctualGenius wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | People are defending the same coach that made Dwight leave. Amazing. |
Made Dwight leave?
Kobe probably made Dwight leave more than the coach.
Even nice guy Nash was talking sh1t about Howard. |
It was clear when they first hired MDA that Dwight didn't like the hire. Everyone knows that they picked MDA over Dwight. Jim Buss ego is to big to fire him after 1 season.
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Nnamdi21
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| Chad09 wrote: | | People are defending the same coach that made Dwight leave. Amazing. |
I think dwight made the right choice. Hate that this went down like this but any coach with this roster could not win more than Dantoni has. He's maxing out potential. Dwight is with the better talented team. |
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postandpivot
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: No one sees that this team is well coached? |
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| mastersworddude wrote: | There is no reason this team should be even competing in most of these games, they aren't getting blown out like most of the other tanking teams.
MDA is getting the most out of nothing, they just don't have enough talent. |
exactly.
but you cant say this because if you do. then you wont have a good reason to hate the coach or the FO.
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Treble Clef
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| Chad09 wrote: | | People are defending the same coach that made Dwight leave. Amazing. |
It seemed like the majority of the fans wanted Dwight gone anyway. I think they played a bigger part in him leaving than the coach or front office. I think Kobe and his shadow didnt help, the immediate future of the team didnt help. He ultimately went to a team that plays very similar to how the Lakers played so its hard to see how coaching was a significant factor. |
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postandpivot
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| TheElectronica wrote: | They are well coached.
D'Antoni is a very good coach. There is a reason why Phoenix was always so competitive and pre-Melo Knicks looked very good. The issue for D'Antoni has always been his ability to control the egos on his team as well as the fact that he falls in love with floor spacing which results in poor rebounding. That works when you have guys like Marion being an elite rebounder as well as an elite floor spacing 4, but he puts a premium on floor spacing which hurts rebounding and interior defense. |
the truth is mda has never had the BEST group of players on his team.
phil did every time he won. the heat does right now. there is no coincedence when you win back 2 back rings. or even multiple rings in a small time frame Spurs..duncan, parker, gino
mda had a great pg.
but as good as amare was. amare isnt duncan or shaq
as great as nash was. he wasnt lebron.
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| Chad09 wrote: | | People are defending the same coach that made Dwight leave. Amazing. |
oh you are one of those.lol you really think mda ran dwight off? haa haa. dwight ran dwight off. and if you dont know that. shame on you.
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Chad09
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Dwight left because he felt like he didn't have a voice in the room. Like Hiring MDA. He wanted Phil. This was clear right after they fired MB. That was a great first step in showing Dwight that you wanted him here long term. You go out and hire a coach for the 39YO PG, and not the next franchise center for the Lakers. |
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ch3cky0selff00
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Dwight Howard imo wanted to be with teammates that were going to do the stupid dances, handshakes, joking around and stuff like he does.
Kobe wanted nothing of that. Nash and Gasol are professional. Steve Blake is a gym-rat (not to say that Dwight isn't.. but Blake seems like he's all business)
I honestly believe if it were down to Houston and San Antonio.. he would've chosen Houston still.
I don't think D'Antoni had anything to do with it. He never really wanted to be with the Lakers. He wasn't even trying imo. |
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lakerjoshua
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Hes doing a good job with what he has but Im not a fan of MDA as a long term solution and he's absolutely not in the Phil/Riley club. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| InstinctualGenius wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | People are defending the same coach that made Dwight leave. Amazing. |
Made Dwight leave?
Kobe probably made Dwight leave more than the coach.
Even nice guy Nash was talking sh1t about Howard. |
Houston's offense is exactly the same as the Mike Dantoni offense. I mean exactly the same. They just have better 3 point shooters & a younger 2. That's it
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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No, this is the furthest from the truth as possible how can a guy be praised when this is our first HOME win since beating a pathetic Jazz team on 1/3/14, since that point we have gone an abysmal 5-17. Losing 137-115 at home to the Nuggets, 123-86 to the Clippers, 96-79 at home to the Jazz and 134-108 at home to the Rockets besides numerous other games we lost by double digits. But yet we've been uber competitive.
To expand even further in the past 30 games we have given up 100 or more points in 26 of those games and 2 of the 4 games that we held the opponent under 100, we got blown out by the Bucks and the Jazz. In contrast the Charlotte Bobcats with Defensive Stalwart Al Jefferson patrolling the paint has given up 100 or more 13 games this entire season.
So no I’m not praising a person’s coaching who helped us lose a franchise record 8 straight home games, while playing the likes of Cleveland, Denver, Charlotte and Utah. |
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