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theunknownsoldier Star Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | In terms of on-floor impact Hill is better than Sacre. But Sacre MIGHT have more upside down the road (hard to believe now, I know), which may be why MDA plays him more? I am not particularly fond of Hill as a player regardless. |
Sacre and upside in the same sentence should be banned. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | theunknownsoldier wrote: | epak wrote: | We're going small ball.
Besides, Hill is not that good. |
He's better than Sacre. |
true dat! |
Depends.
Sacre has better defense against bigger centers. |
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theunknownsoldier Star Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | pio2u wrote: | theunknownsoldier wrote: | epak wrote: | We're going small ball.
Besides, Hill is not that good. |
He's better than Sacre. |
true dat! |
Depends.
Sacre has better defense against bigger centers. |
His d was horrible against Lopez. |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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theunknownsoldier wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | In terms of on-floor impact Hill is better than Sacre. But Sacre MIGHT have more upside down the road (hard to believe now, I know), which may be why MDA plays him more? I am not particularly fond of Hill as a player regardless. |
Sacre and upside in the same sentence should be banned. |
Well at this point in Hill's career he has pretty much zero upside. So, comparatively speaking, Sacre probably has a higher upside than zero. Maybe like, one or two on a scale of one hundred? |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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theunknownsoldier wrote: | epak wrote: | pio2u wrote: | theunknownsoldier wrote: | epak wrote: | We're going small ball.
Besides, Hill is not that good. |
He's better than Sacre. |
true dat! |
Depends.
Sacre has better defense against bigger centers. |
His d was horrible against Lopez. |
Really?
Now think about that but worse with Hill ☺ |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Romano338 wrote: | What's going on with D'Antoni?
He is very inconsistent in his choices.
Hill will play 5 games, including 3 as a starter, while Kaman plays 0 minute. And suddenly, Hill is benched 4 games and Kaman becomes the #1 option offensively and plays 30 minutes.
And it's like that since the beginning of the season with quite a few players. |
He is consistently inconsistent. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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CBaller8 wrote: | Romano338 wrote: | What's going on with D'Antoni?
He is very inconsistent in his choices.
Hill will play 5 games, including 3 as a starter, while Kaman plays 0 minute. And suddenly, Hill is benched 4 games and Kaman becomes the #1 option offensively and plays 30 minutes.
And it's like that since the beginning of the season with quite a few players. |
He is consistently inconsistent. |
Heh. Tell Kaman to stop being injured. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | theunknownsoldier wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | In terms of on-floor impact Hill is better than Sacre. But Sacre MIGHT have more upside down the road (hard to believe now, I know), which may be why MDA plays him more? I am not particularly fond of Hill as a player regardless. |
Sacre and upside in the same sentence should be banned. |
Well at this point in Hill's career he has pretty much zero upside. So, comparatively speaking, Sacre probably has a higher upside than zero. Maybe like, one or two on a scale of one hundred? |
King Sacre needs to grow his hair back. Looks much more sexy that way. _________________ Kobe |
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clutchkobe Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | There is always a chance of injury with Hill. |
spoken like a true mda lover......hill is very effective if used correctly....when you have a coach who loves ryan kelley...what should you do? fire the coach.
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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We should buy out Hill and Kaman and Nash _________________ Kobe |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | theunknownsoldier wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | In terms of on-floor impact Hill is better than Sacre. But Sacre MIGHT have more upside down the road (hard to believe now, I know), which may be why MDA plays him more? I am not particularly fond of Hill as a player regardless. |
Sacre and upside in the same sentence should be banned. |
Well at this point in Hill's career he has pretty much zero upside. So, comparatively speaking, Sacre probably has a higher upside than zero. Maybe like, one or two on a scale of one hundred? |
King Sacre needs to grow his hair back. Looks much more sexy that way. |
Im sure he would if he could |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:28 am Post subject: |
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You guys act like Sacre throwing Lopez's shoe off the court didn't bring back shades of Metta ... er I mean Ron Artest! We need a brute on our team. Maybe Sacre can learn to be one. Heh.
Bring on the brute squad!
You are the brute squad.
I'm the man in the black mask. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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I like Jordan Hill, but we generally play worse as a unit when he's on the court. Whether it's his fault or not is immaterial...you gotta find groups of 5 that work well together. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:22 am Post subject: |
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clutchkobe wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | There is always a chance of injury with Hill. |
spoken like a true mda lover......hill is very effective if used correctly....when you have a coach who loves ryan kelley...what should you do? fire the coach. |
Really? Do I need to cite Hill's injury history? You seem rather clueless about the direction the Lakers will be going. To start with, Kelly is a better defender than Hill. And a better offensive option. Hill is definitely the better rebounder. But Hill hasn't put together a relatively healthy season in the NBA. I would say the chances are good that Kelly will be here next season and that Hill won't. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:36 am Post subject: |
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he's, uhm...
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theunknownsoldier Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:02 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | clutchkobe wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | There is always a chance of injury with Hill. |
spoken like a true mda lover......hill is very effective if used correctly....when you have a coach who loves ryan kelley...what should you do? fire the coach. |
Really? Do I need to cite Hill's injury history? You seem rather clueless about the direction the Lakers will be going. To start with, Kelly is a better defender than Hill. And a better offensive option. Hill is definitely the better rebounder. But Hill hasn't put together a relatively healthy season in the NBA. I would say the chances are good that Kelly will be here next season and that Hill won't. |
Wow. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Hill is a below average defender. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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theunknownsoldier Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:10 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Hill is a below average defender. |
So Kelly is average? EVen more of a wow. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:17 am Post subject: |
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theunknownsoldier wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Hill is a below average defender. |
So Kelly is average? EVen more of a wow. |
True, but as a rookie, and a decent one at his draft spot (or even many slots higher), Kelly has a potential future here, and Hill does not. Neither does Kaman. So they sit and the team evaluates and develops guys they actually have potential plans for beyond the season. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: |
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theunknownsoldier wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Hill is a below average defender. |
So Kelly is average? EVen more of a wow. |
No, but he provides the spacing we like.
And his defense isn't that much worse than Hill's.
So you take a little less offensive rebounds for the spacing. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Hill's good. In the Phil Jackson-era, the guy would have been immensely valuable, I bet. But on a D'Antoni team that preaches smallball, he's supposedly not "refined" enough, which is codespeak for the fact that he lacks the range D'Antoni likes in his bigs. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Kelly is a better defender than Hill. _________________ Kobe |
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theunknownsoldier Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | theunknownsoldier wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Hill is a below average defender. |
So Kelly is average? EVen more of a wow. |
No, but he provides the spacing we like.
And his defense isn't that much worse than Hill's.
So you take a little less offensive rebounds for the spacing. |
If that's spacing, not exactly a strength right now. His offense has been a non factor, especially the deep ball as of late. |
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magicdays Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hill versus Kelly just depends on what you value more. Hill is way better rebounder and defender against big men but does not shoot as well. Kelly shoots better (and pump fakes better!) but does not rebound as well and gets manhandled by offensive big men.
In my view, we have plenty of other shooters but we get killed on the boards (especially offensive rebounds). I would rather see Hill over Kelly for that reason. _________________ Ahhhh, those were the days...time for a new beginning! |
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theunknownsoldier Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | Kelly is a better defender than Hill. |
Better at what? Being more physical? Man to man? Moving his feet? Don't see it. But the Kelly lovefest is in full blast. |
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