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theunknownsoldier
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| jorkerjork wrote: | | Hill's good. In the Phil Jackson-era, the guy would have been immensely valuable, I bet. But on a D'Antoni team that preaches smallball, he's supposedly not "refined" enough, which is codespeak for the fact that he lacks the range D'Antoni likes in his bigs. |
Sacre has no range at center, yet he plays. |
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epak
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| theunknownsoldier wrote: | | epak wrote: | | theunknownsoldier wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Hill is a below average defender. |
So Kelly is average? EVen more of a wow. |
No, but he provides the spacing we like.
And his defense isn't that much worse than Hill's.
So you take a little less offensive rebounds for the spacing. |
If that's spacing, not exactly a strength right now. His offense has been a non factor, especially the deep ball as of late. |
It is spacing if his man has to stay near him at the 3 point line.
Make or miss, the defense won't sag off on him to help on the inside.
On the other hand, if Jhill is at the 3pt line (which he usually isn't, in which case he's not creating much space) they sag off him. |
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epak
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| theunknownsoldier wrote: | | jorkerjork wrote: | | Hill's good. In the Phil Jackson-era, the guy would have been immensely valuable, I bet. But on a D'Antoni team that preaches smallball, he's supposedly not "refined" enough, which is codespeak for the fact that he lacks the range D'Antoni likes in his bigs. |
Sacre has no range at center, yet he plays. |
The Center doesnt need range.
The way we space the floor, it's usually 1 in and 4 out.
Now if you wanna argue the case that Hill should play the Center spot. Sure that's debatable. But i still say sacre has better man to man defense against bigger guys than Hill. |
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Sacreligious
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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^ epak knows what's up.
Really though, who cares? I highly doubt that we will actually keep Hill after this season. We might as well start developing our young bigs. Luckily for us, those bigs actually have some potential. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I've heard the question of "who's the worst big, help defender in the league" posed, and the most common names that come up are Jordan Hill & Enes Kanter, FWIW. |
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My name is -----
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| jorkerjork wrote: | | Hill's good. In the Phil Jackson-era, the guy would have been immensely valuable, I bet. But on a D'Antoni team that preaches smallball, he's supposedly not "refined" enough, which is codespeak for the fact that he lacks the range D'Antoni likes in his bigs. |
why do people talk about floor spreading bigs as if its not something that phil didn't rely on himself? shaq was flanked by robert horry and horace grant. pau gasol, with range himself, was flanked by lamar odom. with the bulls basically all his bigs could hit the mid range shot except rodman. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| My name is ----- wrote: | | jorkerjork wrote: | | Hill's good. In the Phil Jackson-era, the guy would have been immensely valuable, I bet. But on a D'Antoni team that preaches smallball, he's supposedly not "refined" enough, which is codespeak for the fact that he lacks the range D'Antoni likes in his bigs. |
why do people talk about floor spreading bigs as if its not something that phil didn't rely on himself? shaq was flanked by robert horry and horace grant. pau gasol, with range himself, was flanked by lamar odom. with the bulls basically all his bigs could hit the mid range shot except rodman. |
This way they can complain even more about MDA! |
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epak
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| My name is ----- wrote: | | jorkerjork wrote: | | Hill's good. In the Phil Jackson-era, the guy would have been immensely valuable, I bet. But on a D'Antoni team that preaches smallball, he's supposedly not "refined" enough, which is codespeak for the fact that he lacks the range D'Antoni likes in his bigs. |
why do people talk about floor spreading bigs as if its not something that phil didn't rely on himself? shaq was flanked by robert horry and horace grant. pau gasol, with range himself, was flanked by lamar odom. with the bulls basically all his bigs could hit the mid range shot except rodman. |
That's ur definition of spreading the floor as a big?
My idea of spreading the floor as a big is a guy who can draw his man out to the 3 point line. LO, was not. Grant was not. Pau is not.
Robert Horry? I'll give you that one. Horry would actually be amazing in our system. |
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theunknownsoldier
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| epak wrote: | | theunknownsoldier wrote: | | jorkerjork wrote: | | Hill's good. In the Phil Jackson-era, the guy would have been immensely valuable, I bet. But on a D'Antoni team that preaches smallball, he's supposedly not "refined" enough, which is codespeak for the fact that he lacks the range D'Antoni likes in his bigs. |
Sacre has no range at center, yet he plays. |
The Center doesnt need range.
The way we space the floor, it's usually 1 in and 4 out.
Now if you wanna argue the case that Hill should play the Center spot. Sure that's debatable. But i still say sacre has better man to man defense against bigger guys than Hill. |
Sacre is playing decent. Team wants to tank it's obvious. Im cool with that. |
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epak
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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On a side note, Kelly played great defense today.
Taking charges and blocking shots.
Decent rotations.
Keep it up kid. |
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| Quote: | Mike Trudell @LakersReporter 2h
Jordan Hill is out tonight with a sore right knee. The team feared he had cartilage damage, but an MRI came back negative. |
So explains that.
Makes much more sense. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Quote: | Mike Trudell @LakersReporter 2h
Jordan Hill is out tonight with a sore right knee. The team feared he had cartilage damage, but an MRI came back negative. |
So explains that.
Makes much more sense. |
Thanks. That does make more sense.... |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| also, his name is jordan hill. |
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| Hill is a hustle player who needs to be surrounded by playmakers who can handle the offense while he fights for offensive boards |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | Hill is a hustle player who needs to be surrounded by playmakers who can handle the offense while he fights for offensive boards |
in other words: a one-dimensional "specialist". |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time.
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| Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
except he can't defend. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
So that explains why Sacre is getting his minutes. Thanks.
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| 24 wrote: | | Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
So that explains why Sacre is getting his minutes. Thanks. |
That comment is totally off the wall.....
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| Voices wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
So that explains why Sacre is getting his minutes. Thanks. |
That comment is totally off the wall..... |
Hill is sitting, Sacre is playing, Hill makes no 3's, Sacre makes no 3's. See where I'm headed?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
except he can't defend. |
Thanks, I got it now, if you play defense for MDA you get playing time. Talking defense in the context of getting playing time for a MDA coached team is seriously funny.
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| 24 wrote: | | Voices wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
So that explains why Sacre is getting his minutes. Thanks. |
That comment is totally off the wall..... |
Hill is sitting, Sacre is playing, Hill makes no 3's, Sacre makes no 3's. See where I'm headed? |
I have no idea where the Lakers are headed, nothing makes sense right now. Normal satire does not apply to this team. Sorry
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
With Hill's injuries he will never get regular playing time.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Voices wrote: | He is parked on MDA bench, can't make a three then you sit on MDA coached team.
I'm not sold that Hill is a good everyday player, however he certainly has produced good numbers when given the chance especially as an offensive rebounder. Given regular min an a normal coached team Hill just might be a good fit for a team that plays both ends of the floor.
If PJ was coaching, he loves offensive rebounding, I believe Hill would get regular playing time. |
With Hill's injuries he will never get regular playing time. |
That just might be true. But injury talk in Lakersville is a sore subject this season. It kind of applies to everyone.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | Hill is a hustle player who needs to be surrounded by playmakers who can handle the offense while he fights for offensive boards |
in other words: a one-dimensional "specialist". |
Nothing wrong with that. Every championship team has them. Our problem isn't Jordan Hill, it's our overall talent and coach.
That, and we're tanking. |
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