Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:06 am Post subject: Does Dwight leave once Phil realizes he doesnt have a great post up game?
Does Dwight leave once Phil realizes he doesnt have a great post up game?
i have to ask this question.
cause i still see a ton of responses and threads about if PHIL would've been chosen instead MDA.
ok. lets imagine that. dwight is the same big kid he was with or without phil. thats dwight being dwight.
now the same shaky post game dwight. but great pick n roll big that wants to get more low post touches and less pick n roll stuff.
what do you guys think would happen once pjax found out. "wait a second this guy's low post game is questionable at best in the half court."?
me thinks, pjax would've been all in the media trying to push dwight to tighten up his game. and asking why has he been in the nba for this long and not have tighten that part up sooner. especially if he's making special requests for extra touches down low.
imagine a guy that wasnt that good of a 3pt shooter asking for more touches behind the arc. you would think.. "dude you've been in the nba for how long and your jumpshot is still suspect and you're a guard. shame on you. go to the basket and do what you always do to score. stop trying to be something you're not. you're not a shooter...get over it."
^^thats what pjax would've done to dwight.
now how do you guys think dwight mr softy would've responded to that type of in media criticism from 11 rings? then kobe barking at him in the locker room to boot... gasol looking at him funny like dude we beat you with ease in the finals cause you dont have any moves down low STILL.
do yall think big kid dwight would've stayed around for that? _________________ LAL4K3RS wrote: He(Kobe) is the white haired kung fu master that you realize is older than dirt but can still kick your arse when in a sitting position drinking a nice herbal tea.
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Don't know, but with this stat line, I'm not sure Phil would care about his post ups as much as some of us...
68 GP, 34.0 MPG, .590 FG%, still has .548 FT with 1.8 BLK and 18.5 PPG
Howard is not perfect but he's tough inside and gets his points around the rim. So many players suck on O but give you a lot of D, Howard wants both but as long as his O is not a liability to the game, I'm no sure anyone cares...
I won't dwell on Howard, he's no longer a Laker and we have enough problems o solve...
bingo. does dwight want to be considered luc longley on the lakers? NO
so does dwight bolt?
did luc cry about low post touches when he was a great pick n roll big? NOPE.
now luc had a little low post game but no pick n roll game. so if i were him i would always ask for a few more touches cause i'm not getting any with jordan in the post more then me. thats a different situation. _________________ LAL4K3RS wrote: He(Kobe) is the white haired kung fu master that you realize is older than dirt but can still kick your arse when in a sitting position drinking a nice herbal tea.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:26 am Post subject:
Who cares, he was the least entertaining, most frustrating to watch, annoying to listen to and wussiest Laker of all time. _________________ "The best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.", said Bret Hart regarding the Los Angeles Lakers.
Don't know, but with this stat line, I'm not sure Phil would care about his post ups as much as some of us...
68 GP, 34.0 MPG, .590 FG%, still has .548 FT with 1.8 BLK and 18.5 PPG
Howard is not perfect but he's tough inside and gets his points around the rim. So many players suck on O but give you a lot of D, Howard wants both but as long as his O is not a liability to the game, I'm no sure anyone cares...
I won't dwell on Howard, he's no longer a Laker and we have enough problems o solve...
and you're wrong. stats are stats. if you want to bring up stats. we could bring up guys that feel up the stat sheet all over the nba.
do you know why pjax held bynum out of all the extra touches for so long? because drew wasnt ready either. in addition he was always hurt(no fault of his own guys crashing into his knees but it is what it is). you cant cry about give me more if you cant handle more. sound familiar? sounds like jordan hill wanting more time. wait we gave you time. a lot of time. so much time that you stop producing because it was too much time for your body. you aint ready so shut up complaining. thats all pjax would say.
stats or no stats. pjax would tell dwight GET OUT OF THE POST and let gasol get down there. or let kobe get down there.
next thing you know dwight is talking about how he isnt used properly. now he's sulking on the court cause all he is at that point is a glorified ben wallace/kenneth F. thats the one thing kobe basically asked him to be. he said be bill russell. which alludes to what? "Sorry dwight you aint that good in the post buddy, your offensive game is suspect numbers aside. what you need to do is be a hustler big, grab boards, roll hard on the screens, set solid screens, and man the paint on defense.
dwight knows that kind of big isnt getting the same love as a scoring big. not in this day an age. bill russell got love for not having a great offensive game but playing lock down defense. thats due to the era he played in.
kenneth F gets love. but not Tmobile superstar Love. thats reserved for guys who score a lot.
what makes you think dwight was cool with just being an afterthought?
and for the record dwight's o in the post is a liability at times. ? hack a howard, see his ft% its better now but still awful. oh and lets not forget the strips and To's. no thanks. pick n roll big fella. grab a board and get a put back or 3. thats how you get your 18 to 20. you aint ready to put in the work to be a great scorer and thats fine. you're great at what you do with ease(rebound, run the floor, pick n roll, block shots and clog the paint.) be content with those things you can do and excel at. _________________ LAL4K3RS wrote: He(Kobe) is the white haired kung fu master that you realize is older than dirt but can still kick your arse when in a sitting position drinking a nice herbal tea.
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Don't know, but with this stat line, I'm not sure Phil would care about his post ups as much as some of us...
68 GP, 34.0 MPG, .590 FG%, still has .548 FT with 1.8 BLK and 18.5 PPG
Howard is not perfect but he's tough inside and gets his points around the rim. So many players suck on O but give you a lot of D, Howard wants both but as long as his O is not a liability to the game, I'm no sure anyone cares...
I won't dwell on Howard, he's no longer a Laker and we have enough problems o solve...
and you're wrong. stats are stats. if you want to bring up stats. we could bring up guys that feel up the stat sheet all over the nba.
do you know why pjax held bynum out of all the extra touches for so long? because drew wasnt ready either. in addition he was always hurt(no fault of his own guys crashing into his knees but it is what it is). you cant cry about give me more if you cant handle more. sound familiar? sounds like jordan hill wanting more time. wait we gave you time. a lot of time. so much time that you stop producing because it was too much time for your body. you aint ready so shut up complaining. thats all pjax would say.
stats or no stats. pjax would tell dwight GET OUT OF THE POST and let gasol get down there. or let kobe get down there.
next thing you know dwight is talking about how he isnt used properly. now he's sulking on the court cause all he is at that point is a glorified ben wallace/kenneth F. thats the one thing kobe basically asked him to be. he said be bill russell. which alludes to what? "Sorry dwight you aint that good in the post buddy, your offensive game is suspect numbers aside. what you need to do is be a hustler big, grab boards, roll hard on the screens, set solid screens, and man the paint on defense.
dwight knows that kind of big isnt getting the same love as a scoring big. not in this day an age. bill russell got love for not having a great offensive game but playing lock down defense. thats due to the era he played in.
kenneth F gets love. but not Tmobile superstar Love. thats reserved for guys who score a lot.
what makes you think dwight was cool with just being an afterthought?
Phil was asked once if he'd take Lebron or Howard, his response was Howard. You think differently bit I think Phil would work to Howard's strengths.
because with phil around.. being an afterthought would have equated to touches down low, while on the move, to dunk the ball on someone.
Then he'd go and be our anchor on defense..
then his empty stats would be helping us win and the new school would be welcomed.
but honestly, as a laker fan we're all missing the point with the recent topics..
we shouldn't want EITHER dwight or mda.. lol
See what Jim has done to us? it's like dumb and dumber
jim hasnt done a think to US. maybe you
i dont WANT mda. never did. but i also dont think he's the reason for all things negative. like some like to state. I also dont think phil would've made dwight stay and play differently. which again is attributed to mda and kobe. _________________ LAL4K3RS wrote: He(Kobe) is the white haired kung fu master that you realize is older than dirt but can still kick your arse when in a sitting position drinking a nice herbal tea.
IDK maybe Phil decides to sit Kobe & D-12 down & have a talk with them? Tell them to play to their strengths not their weaknesses?
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:03 am Post subject:
You assume Dwight would have been used as a strict post-up guy. Early in the year, when the Princeton was being used, Dwight was shooting a sky-high FG% and scoring well above his averages. That was with the bad back. It is possible Phil could have used him more in motion and had him as a cutter similar to how LO was used. I understand LO had a "jumpshot" (arguably) that had to be respected, but it is not out of the question that Dwight could have adopted the same style of movement with the caveat that Pau would have to stretch out a little more while dwight roamed in closer.
Wait, so if Phil wanted Dwight, and knew that he didn't have a true post game (after Phil and Lakers whooped Dwight in the Finals), why would Phil just tell Dwight to do something (post up) that he knew Dwight wasn't good at doing?
I'm fairly certain he'd have Dwight do something else and at least from the sound of it, I think Dwight would have seriously entertained a Lakers team with Phil (since he probably thought Phil could serve as one of the only coaches who could stand up to Kobe). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:13 am Post subject:
Cutheon wrote:
You assume Dwight would have been used as a strict post-up guy. Early in the year, when the Princeton was being used, Dwight was shooting a sky-high FG% and scoring well above his averages. That was with the bad back. It is possible Phil could have used him more in motion and had him as a cutter similar to how LO was used. I understand LO had a "jumpshot" (arguably) that had to be respected, but it is not out of the question that Dwight could have adopted the same style of movement with the caveat that Pau would have to stretch out a little more while dwight roamed in closer.
he mostly was up top setting ball screens in the princeton when they actually decided to run the princeton, which was wasn't that often IMO. brown let them break from it whenever they wanted to do their own individual things. kobe and dwight were pretty much just going one-on-one (post-ups are basically isos).
Dwight wanted to leave from day one. Whether Phil was here or not makes no difference.
I think Phil being here would have changed quite a few outcomes. He would have been able to manage Dwight, and I think he could have sold him on a role that suited team wins over anything else.
Most importantly, he would have held Dwight accountable for his actions.
Phil would have given Dwight a book to read and then mind gamed Dwight into doing everything we wanted without him even realize he was being manipulated.
Phil is a zillion times smarter and more manipulative than the women that manipulated Dwight into fathering kids with. Getting Dwight on the same page as the championship masterplan would have been simple. A personality like Dwights would have been powerless to stop it. _________________ IM THE GREATEST HITTER IN THE WORLD!!!1!
Dwight ain't the sharpest knife, but to walk away, actually to flee a Phil Jax team, he knows his brand would take a major hit for that. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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