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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:32 am Post subject: |
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KG24 wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Regardless of the coach, Lakers won't be a very good team next year. |
How can you say that... their are so many options... They could have David Lee, or Boozer... with who knows..
They have really no one under contract, they can put together what ever they want, depending on what they want to spend. |
If they want to be mediocre they will spend it on FAs this summer. LeBron isn't coming here. |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:52 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | legend825 wrote: | The poor D is based on many reasons but the players need to have pride and play it better. They let everyone have career nights against them |
Players were giving up in games at SC also. When Kiffin was fired and a new coach came in that the players respected they started to play harder.
If you don't think the coach has your back or your not in sync with him, will you lay it out for him on the field or court? (this can be applied to work as well). The system is part of it also, but your right in that respect, its not all of it. |
Then that is on the players. As you stated, they were the ones not giving an effort. |
Yeah right. If it's one or two players that's on them. But if it the whole team d thats in dissaray and their in the bottom in league in D? Sorry, that's on the coach. There's no way around it. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Excuse the players all you want, but you yourself stated that they weren't playing as hard as they could. That is on them. If it is the scheme, that is on coaching, effort is on the players. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:11 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Excuse the players all you want, but you yourself stated that they weren't playing as hard as they could. That is on them. If it is the scheme, that is on coaching, effort is on the players. |
Effort is also a province of good coaching, so you can't put it all on the players. That said, you aren't going to get much defensive consistency in a losing season like this one. The team was in the top 40% of the league defensively for almost the first third of the season (and even higher if you weeded out a couple of blowouts), and MDA was actually sitting guys for defensive reasons, but once the wheels fell off, so did that. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Agree, to expect good defense when everyone has given up on you is expecting a miracle. And when you are playing some guys who lack the physical ability to defend big minutes, your defense will be poor. It is just the common notion here that the Lakers do not practice defense that is incorrect, at least according to those who observe their practices. If you want to say the scheme is poor, that is one thing, but the coaching staff does put in the effort. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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KOBE2007MVP Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:30 am Post subject: |
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The day couldn't come soon enough! _________________ "Names don't win championships, Teams do!" - Jerry West |
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:24 am Post subject: |
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madsen35 wrote: | Love it.
I look at Pringles' time here from a fair perspective. He has been unfortunate to have two teams which were decimated by injuries. It would have been interesting to see what he could have done with healthier squads.
With that said, he hasn't helped himself by sitting some of his best players. There's no excuse for a guy like Jordan Hill rotting away on the bench, when he's clearly one of our best rebounders and toughest players -- which we sorely need.
Or playing Sacre over Kaman. This one, I can understand a bit more. This team isn't going anywhere, anyway, so we might as well develop Sacre. But still, MDA had some weird grudge against Kaman.
All in all, I won't miss MDA if they fire him. He'll always be the ringleader of those Phoenix Suns teams which I hated about 7-8 years ago. | it has been shared that with Hill taking up space and not being a consistent threat on offense had moved Pau.away from the low post where he can do the most damage.
When the other front court players were threats on offense (Bynum and LO), Pau was effective |
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Excuse the players all you want, but you yourself stated that they weren't playing as hard as they could. That is on them. If it is the scheme, that is on coaching, effort is on the players. | Effort is also a province of good coaching, so you can't put it all on the players. That said, you aren't going to get much defensive consistency in a losing season like this one. The team was in the top 40% of the league defensively for almost the first third of the season (and even higher if you weeded out a couple of blowouts), and MDA was actually sitting guys for defensive reasons, but once the wheels fell off, so did that. | MDA has little or no options outside of calling TOs when he only has 7-8 players. Doesn't some of the blame goes on Rambis? Isn't funny that better consistent D (in the past) was seen when Pau was not playing. Imagine the D that would be seen with a Noah or Faried!
If Howard had a better attitude and played like Noah (who has less talent than him), we would be talking multiple rings. Glad that we found that Howard was NOT the person to be the Next Face of the Lakers. He can't even be the best player on a small market team with a very talented Beard but no track record of extended success in the plauoffs |
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Reflexx Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thought this was interesting...
http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2014/04/rockets-report-nash-a-source-of-inspiration-to-lin/
Quote: | D’Antoni tries to stay focused
With rumors that Mike D’Antoni will be replaced by John Calipari surfacing before Monday’s NCAA championship game — and quickly refuted by the Lakers — D’Antoni said he is not as calm as he appears about speculation he’ll be fired after the season.
“Most of the time my hair is on fire,” he said. “It’s just been a crazy season. We just deal with it. It’s our job as a coaching staff to give each one of these players the best shot we have to develop them and push them forward.
“I got to battle through everything. I care about them, and they deserve it. They’ve been great guys. … And if you think about it, it’s still a great job.” |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Agree, to expect good defense when everyone has given up on you is expecting a miracle. And when you are playing some guys who lack the physical ability to defend big minutes, your defense will be poor. It is just the common notion here that the Lakers do not practice defense that is incorrect, at least according to those who observe their practices. If you want to say the scheme is poor, that is one thing, but the coaching staff does put in the effort. |
So MDA is trying to teach D? That's comforting. If only the players would listen to him. Let's just keep shipping new groups of players in and out until we finally get a group of players that will do what he says.
Right, its not his fault that he can't get his guys to play D. It must not be in his job description. |
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Reflexx Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Goldenwest wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Agree, to expect good defense when everyone has given up on you is expecting a miracle. And when you are playing some guys who lack the physical ability to defend big minutes, your defense will be poor. It is just the common notion here that the Lakers do not practice defense that is incorrect, at least according to those who observe their practices. If you want to say the scheme is poor, that is one thing, but the coaching staff does put in the effort. |
So MDA is trying to teach D? That's comforting. If only the players would listen to him. Let's just keep shipping new groups of players in and out until we finally get a group of players that will do what he says.
Right, its not his fault that he can't get his guys to play D. It must not be in his job description. |
They were playing some decent D early in the season when he had some kinda healthy rosters.
Everything just fell apart when injury after injury after injury kept happening.
Eventually it becomes close to impossible to motivate people who just have been beaten down mentally too much. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Goldenwest wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Agree, to expect good defense when everyone has given up on you is expecting a miracle. And when you are playing some guys who lack the physical ability to defend big minutes, your defense will be poor. It is just the common notion here that the Lakers do not practice defense that is incorrect, at least according to those who observe their practices. If you want to say the scheme is poor, that is one thing, but the coaching staff does put in the effort. |
So MDA is trying to teach D? That's comforting. If only the players would listen to him. Let's just keep shipping new groups of players in and out until we finally get a group of players that will do what he says.
Right, its not his fault that he can't get his guys to play D. It must not be in his job description. |
The players are the ones who need to look in the mirror. And getting rid of most of them is a good idea. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Reflexx: even at that time, they were only a 500 ballclub. And if you remember when Kobe came back, they started to go on a losing streak because he started to play iso and slow the tempo down. its just not going to work with MDA. |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Reflexx wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Agree, to expect good defense when everyone has given up on you is expecting a miracle. And when you are playing some guys who lack the physical ability to defend big minutes, your defense will be poor. It is just the common notion here that the Lakers do not practice defense that is incorrect, at least according to those who observe their practices. If you want to say the scheme is poor, that is one thing, but the coaching staff does put in the effort. |
So MDA is trying to teach D? That's comforting. If only the players would listen to him. Let's just keep shipping new groups of players in and out until we finally get a group of players that will do what he says.
Right, its not his fault that he can't get his guys to play D. It must not be in his job description. |
They were playing some decent D early in the season when he had some kinda healthy rosters.
Everything just fell apart when injury after injury after injury kept happening.
Eventually it becomes close to impossible to motivate people who just have been beaten down mentally too much. |
the D was slightly better than the O. in transition it was consistently awful (pau, of course), but it's been that way for years. losing shawne williams didn't help at all. essentially trading blake's minutes for marshall's, another management decision, basically cut the defense off at the knees.
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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chazz Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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postandpivot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | this organization is so terrible at handling coaches i do wonder if we're not heading towards another debacle like last season. once the rumor mill starts pumping they're almost forced into making a decision they don't want: fire him or extend him. they can't go into next season with him as a lame duck. the players will smell it like blood in the water. |
Agreed. Lame duck coach next season = disaster. Hiring a bad coach on a 3-4 year deal = another disaster. | you guys complain just to complain. and this is proof.
i told you when you cried about no phil. i asked you who then should we hire since we know phil isnt coaching? there were no LEGIT answers. you see that thread talking about who to hire. all the guys from the nba are coaches that havent done much aside from scott who a lot of people are unsure of because of how his stint always ends with his great pg's. they end up not wanting to do things his way.
the rest of the names thrown around are college coaches. some even new college coaches.(ollie).
So you want mda gone. but you dont even want to think about FOR WHO. but now that you're starting to think about it. you are already setting the FO up for failure because there is no FOR SURE thing coach out there. any coach they choose could be a disaster.
now if they get hollins, scott .and actually have a legit roster. they can do well. but not ring well. so that tells me get the roster tight first before you worry about the coach. just because we had phil for so many years. doesnt mean the only coach that can win anything is a coach with a ton of rings. see E.spo. get the talent then get a decent enough coach not to get in the way of said talent. |
JUST STOP IT |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Agree, to expect good defense when everyone has given up on you is expecting a miracle. And when you are playing some guys who lack the physical ability to defend big minutes, your defense will be poor. It is just the common notion here that the Lakers do not practice defense that is incorrect, at least according to those who observe their practices. If you want to say the scheme is poor, that is one thing, but the coaching staff does put in the effort. |
So MDA is trying to teach D? That's comforting. If only the players would listen to him. Let's just keep shipping new groups of players in and out until we finally get a group of players that will do what he says.
Right, its not his fault that he can't get his guys to play D. It must not be in his job description. |
The players are the ones who need to look in the mirror. And getting rid of most of them is a good idea. |
its kind of funny how Thb's players listen to him while MDA's players show him their middle finger
hmm whose fault is that? |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jim99187 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Agree, to expect good defense when everyone has given up on you is expecting a miracle. And when you are playing some guys who lack the physical ability to defend big minutes, your defense will be poor. It is just the common notion here that the Lakers do not practice defense that is incorrect, at least according to those who observe their practices. If you want to say the scheme is poor, that is one thing, but the coaching staff does put in the effort. |
So MDA is trying to teach D? That's comforting. If only the players would listen to him. Let's just keep shipping new groups of players in and out until we finally get a group of players that will do what he says.
Right, its not his fault that he can't get his guys to play D. It must not be in his job description. |
The players are the ones who need to look in the mirror. And getting rid of most of them is a good idea. |
its kind of funny how Thb's players listen to him while MDA's players show him their middle finger
hmm whose fault is that? |
you really think pau, kaman, hill and marshall would be good defenders under thibs? only one would even crack his rotation. |
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The Shadow King Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Keep on leaning... _________________ Lakers, today. Lakers, tomorrow. Lakers, forever. |
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Reflexx Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Goldenwest wrote: | Reflexx: even at that time, they were only a 500 ballclub. And if you remember when Kobe came back, they started to go on a losing streak because he started to play iso and slow the tempo down. its just not going to work with MDA. |
Losing streak? Didn't they lose 2 games, and then win?
And let's also remember that Kobe hadn't played in half a year. And as we all know, Kobe has always played horribly in preseasons. He takes a month or two to get back into rhythm. |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Reflexx wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | Reflexx: even at that time, they were only a 500 ballclub. And if you remember when Kobe came back, they started to go on a losing streak because he started to play iso and slow the tempo down. its just not going to work with MDA. |
Losing streak? Didn't they lose 2 games, and then win?
And let's also remember that Kobe hadn't played in half a year. And as we all know, Kobe has always played horribly in preseasons. He takes a month or two to get back into rhythm. |
It would take a little more than 'getting into rhythm' for Kobe to be able play in MDA's run and fun |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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It seemed they were putting Kobe in the roll man role, with some high post and wing action as well, allowing him to back in, face up, shoot, or pass. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Reflexx Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Goldenwest wrote: | Reflexx wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | Reflexx: even at that time, they were only a 500 ballclub. And if you remember when Kobe came back, they started to go on a losing streak because he started to play iso and slow the tempo down. its just not going to work with MDA. |
Losing streak? Didn't they lose 2 games, and then win?
And let's also remember that Kobe hadn't played in half a year. And as we all know, Kobe has always played horribly in preseasons. He takes a month or two to get back into rhythm. |
It would take a little more than 'getting into rhythm' for Kobe to be able play in MDA's run and fun |
Not really. |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Reflexx wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | Reflexx wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: | Reflexx: even at that time, they were only a 500 ballclub. And if you remember when Kobe came back, they started to go on a losing streak because he started to play iso and slow the tempo down. its just not going to work with MDA. |
Losing streak? Didn't they lose 2 games, and then win?
And let's also remember that Kobe hadn't played in half a year. And as we all know, Kobe has always played horribly in preseasons. He takes a month or two to get back into rhythm. |
It would take a little more than 'getting into rhythm' for Kobe to be able play in MDA's run and fun |
Not really. |
Don't think so? Kobe needs at least 4-7 seconds to survey the D and make his moves. So much for 7 seconds or less. Anyway I hope we don't get to see Kobe and MDA part 3. |
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PauXXL Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Let's get this straight once and for all. THE LAKERS DO NOT PRACTICE D, THEY WATCH FILM, THAT'S IT! I have a good friend of mine who recently had to interview Nick Young for an incident outside of basketball (you guys probably know what I mean). Young straight out told my friend they don't practice D. They watch film and talk during film session. So this BS that they actually practice D is nonsense. Stop putting out info that is incorrect. |
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