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Smel Counts Star Player
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Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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The coach I like a lot is David Blatt, hope we can get him. |
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USCandLakers Franchise Player
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. |
You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons. If he's not the right fit with Kobe that means the team suffers, and perception of that coach will definitely change in 2 years if he's having terrible seasons. Like it or not, Kobe is here to stay for the next 2 years, and you absolutely have to hire a coach with Kobe in mind. Or let me speak in terms that you only care about since it seems you're content with throwing away the next 2 seasons - Kevin Durant ain't signing on with a lottery team and a bad coach that is clashing with a living legend and mentor. Comprende? _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts! |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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USCandLakers wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. |
You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons. If he's not the right fit with Kobe that means the team suffers, and perception of that coach will definitely change in 2 years if he's having terrible seasons. Like it or not, Kobe is here to stay for the next 2 years, and you absolutely have to hire a coach with Kobe in mind. Or let me speak in terms that you only care about since it seems you're content with throwing away the next 2 seasons - Kevin Durant ain't signing on with a lottery team and a bad coach that is clashing with a living legend and mentor. Comprende? |
Dude, the idea is that Kobe is going to have to adapt and be a part of a rebuild.
Why is it "Kobe makes the decision" or "shutting him out" with you? Why is it "ignoring his first two seasons" or "hiring a coach with Kobe in mind?"
There are gray areas. For instance, the team will build around their draft pick, and Kobe will be a part of that rebuild and work with a coach that can foster the start of a rebuild. |
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ringfinger wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. |
You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons. If he's not the right fit with Kobe that means the team suffers, and perception of that coach will definitely change in 2 years if he's having terrible seasons. Like it or not, Kobe is here to stay for the next 2 years, and you absolutely have to hire a coach with Kobe in mind. Or let me speak in terms that you only care about since it seems you're content with throwing away the next 2 seasons - Kevin Durant ain't signing on with a lottery team and a bad coach that is clashing with a living legend and mentor. Comprende? |
Dude, the idea is that Kobe is going to have to adapt and be a part of a rebuild.
Why is it "Kobe makes the decision" or "shutting him out" with you? Why is it "ignoring his first two seasons" or "hiring a coach with Kobe in mind?"
There are gray areas. For instance, the team will build around their draft pick, and Kobe will be a part of that rebuild and work with a coach that can foster the start of a rebuild. |
Because it's not? That's your Straw Man. You seem to have plenty of them to throw around. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts! |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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USCandLakers wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. |
You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons. If he's not the right fit with Kobe that means the team suffers, and perception of that coach will definitely change in 2 years if he's having terrible seasons. Like it or not, Kobe is here to stay for the next 2 years, and you absolutely have to hire a coach with Kobe in mind. Or let me speak in terms that you only care about since it seems you're content with throwing away the next 2 seasons - Kevin Durant ain't signing on with a lottery team and a bad coach that is clashing with a living legend and mentor. Comprende? |
So what's your basis for concluding that Ollie can't be both? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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USCandLakers wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. |
You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons. If he's not the right fit with Kobe that means the team suffers, and perception of that coach will definitely change in 2 years if he's having terrible seasons. Like it or not, Kobe is here to stay for the next 2 years, and you absolutely have to hire a coach with Kobe in mind. Or let me speak in terms that you only care about since it seems you're content with throwing away the next 2 seasons - Kevin Durant ain't signing on with a lottery team and a bad coach that is clashing with a living legend and mentor. Comprende? |
Dude, the idea is that Kobe is going to have to adapt and be a part of a rebuild.
Why is it "Kobe makes the decision" or "shutting him out" with you? Why is it "ignoring his first two seasons" or "hiring a coach with Kobe in mind?"
There are gray areas. For instance, the team will build around their draft pick, and Kobe will be a part of that rebuild and work with a coach that can foster the start of a rebuild. |
Because it's not? That's your Straw Man. You seem to have plenty of them to throw around. |
Your straw man appears to be just saying everyone is a straw man! LMAO.
This is what you said "You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons"
Nobody even said those words or suggested anything to that effect. The idea is that you would look for a coach for 3-4-5 years down the road and in the next 2 years, you would expect Kobe to buy in, play along and tow the company line. That's not ignoring at all. |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. |
You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons. If he's not the right fit with Kobe that means the team suffers, and perception of that coach will definitely change in 2 years if he's having terrible seasons. Like it or not, Kobe is here to stay for the next 2 years, and you absolutely have to hire a coach with Kobe in mind. Or let me speak in terms that you only care about since it seems you're content with throwing away the next 2 seasons - Kevin Durant ain't signing on with a lottery team and a bad coach that is clashing with a living legend and mentor. Comprende? |
So what's your basis for concluding that Ollie can't be both? |
He could be both... _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts! |
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audioaxes wrote: | Ollie is too inexperienced to be trying to take over the Lakers at this point. Calipari is overrated... his teams are good because they are stacked with talent. |
Kidd has Brooklyn playing some amazing basketball in the second half of the season. Despite their horrible start they are the 5th seed.
And he is coaching Pierce, KG, DWill, and Iso Joe.
Experience doesn't matter as much as fit and the coaches ability.
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TheElectronica wrote: | audioaxes wrote: | Ollie is too inexperienced to be trying to take over the Lakers at this point. Calipari is overrated... his teams are good because they are stacked with talent. |
Kidd has Brooklyn playing some amazing basketball in the second half of the season. Despite their horrible start they are not the 5th seed
And he is coaching Pierce, KG, DWill, and Iso Joe.
Experience doesn't matter as much as fit and the coaches ability. |
I'd rather have Ollie stare down Kobe than Calipari if push came to shove. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lakez34 wrote: | What's the reason to go after these college coaches? For recruiting NBA players or truly because of their coaching ability? If the latter, I think it's been shown over the years that good to great college coaches don't always pan out as good NBA coaches. I much rather the Lakers pursue a proven NBA coach who can build rapport and respect with the team (Van Gundy - either one, BScott are the few that come to mind). |
Van Gundy and Scott have proven that they are very fireable, Scott 3 times. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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legend825 wrote: | Both are great communicators and seem to very good teachers. If game is predicated on pt guard play, then it is better to go w/ Calipari since he has a lot of experience in that department. The reason I would pick Ollie is b/c of his connection to Durant, he's young and can grow w/ next generation of stars on the team, he has experience w/ young & older stars and commands respect from players among other reasons. |
Plus Ollie scrapped and clawed his way into the NBA and did so to stay here. I think players would respect that. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Kobe's days are numbered, he shouldn't be a factor. Though I strongly disagree that Kobe wouldn't respect Ollie. He has played in the league with him. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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ringfinger wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Smel Counts wrote: | Neither.
Calipari wins by dumbing down very simple principles for 18-19 year olds who have no experience playing with each other but are physically dominant over their opponents. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the nature of the beast. He's not too far off from being an incredibly well paid and glorified AAU coach. Which is why he failed at the nba level and his team couldn't make the tournament last year after Noel went down and why his team was a huge disappointment all year until March. (Very simple and general assessment but valid IMO).
Ollie. While doing a great job with what he had, he was doing it with experienced Calhoun leftovers who he had already been coaching in Calhoun's system. I absolutely cannot see Kobe respecting/buying into any system that is implemented by someone so young with no real bona fides/experience in Kobe's eyes. |
Well, if we're looking for a coach for Kobe, maybe. But I would hope we're not, and are looking 3-4 years down the road.
IMO, Ollie would have Kobe's respect. He knows what Ollie did to stay in the league. Stuff like that isn't casually dismissed by fellow NBA players. They know Ollie grinded and was a great teammate and a coach in the making. He's basically an NBA coach coaching college, and in his 2nd year, he won the title. |
You don't hire a coach to just ignore his first two seasons. If he's not the right fit with Kobe that means the team suffers, and perception of that coach will definitely change in 2 years if he's having terrible seasons. Like it or not, Kobe is here to stay for the next 2 years, and you absolutely have to hire a coach with Kobe in mind. Or let me speak in terms that you only care about since it seems you're content with throwing away the next 2 seasons - Kevin Durant ain't signing on with a lottery team and a bad coach that is clashing with a living legend and mentor. Comprende? |
Dude, the idea is that Kobe is going to have to adapt and be a part of a rebuild.
Why is it "Kobe makes the decision" or "shutting him out" with you? Why is it "ignoring his first two seasons" or "hiring a coach with Kobe in mind?"
There are gray areas. For instance, the team will build around their draft pick, and Kobe will be a part of that rebuild and work with a coach that can foster the start of a rebuild. |
Exactly, Kobe will be on board, he has no choice. As for Durant, he greatly respects Ollie, if the Thunder hire him to replace Brooks we have no shot at Durant. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | lakez34 wrote: | What's the reason to go after these college coaches? For recruiting NBA players or truly because of their coaching ability? If the latter, I think it's been shown over the years that good to great college coaches don't always pan out as good NBA coaches. I much rather the Lakers pursue a proven NBA coach who can build rapport and respect with the team (Van Gundy - either one, BScott are the few that come to mind). |
Van Gundy and Scott have provent that they are very fireable, Scott 3 times. |
Considering that, the same could be said for practically every former NBA coach that's available, couldn't it? Otherwise they wouldn't be available unless they walked away from coaching a team on their own decision, which is pretty rare in the league. Not sure I'm following what you're driving at with this? |
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Ollie has the "it" factor when it comes to coaching. The main job of the coach is to command respect and motivate your players. He has that in spades. |
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The idea of Kevin Durant receiving an alley oop from Kevin Love with Kevin Ollie pacing the sidelines is just so damn appetizing.
It might just make people like Jim Buss _________________ Author of James Harden and the Strip Club
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No coach would want to coach this team without great talent on it.
Next year you'll have a hobbled Kobe, practically non-existent Nash, Jodie Meeks and a bunch of D-League level talent to go along with the 1st round lottery pick.
Nobody is coming. _________________ The proverbial quandary befuddles the greatest of men.
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There's a difference between a rebuilding coaching job and coaching a veteran team.
With a veteran team, you don't need to teach the game or teach professionalism. You're more of a psychologist and motivator to get everyone to buy in and play for each other. Prior coaching experience is not a huge factor. Being able to get the veterans' respect is.
For a rebuilding franchise, you're dealing with kids. For this job, you need a coach that is a teacher and a disciplinarian. Kids are still learning the game and learning about being a pro. Prior coaching experience is huge here because you're dealing with students... so you need a qualified professor.
The safer choice is Cali imo. You have a track record to look at... not just a couple of year. For you UCLA fans... even Lavin looked good his first 2 years coaching UCLA and made good runs in the NCAA tournament. But he was found out eventually. If Cali was going to be found out, it would have happened a long time ago. Ollie is too big a risk imo. |
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I would rather have Calipari. Both are good coaches but Cal has the personality of Riley that i think would work well with the Lakers. He's also great at managing ego's which is almost as important as the x's and o's in the NBA. He uses a more traditional system offensively and defensively with two bigs.
Ollie likes small ball, plays with two pg's and press full court. He has the personal to use a big lineup but he doesn't, he uses his PF as his C and his SF as his PF. Small ball works in college but don't think it will in the NBA unless you have a hybrid SF like Lebron. One of the main reasons we won two titles was because of our size, we out rebounded everyone. We need to get back to having two big men, small ball works offensively but defensively it's a disadvantage. |
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STiG909 wrote: | Only college coach I'd be interested in is coach K. |
His last game was one of the most poorly coached games I've seen in a long while. He made no attempt to attack Mercer's zone through the middle or baseline. Absolutely atrocious. |
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lakez34 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | lakez34 wrote: | What's the reason to go after these college coaches? For recruiting NBA players or truly because of their coaching ability? If the latter, I think it's been shown over the years that good to great college coaches don't always pan out as good NBA coaches. I much rather the Lakers pursue a proven NBA coach who can build rapport and respect with the team (Van Gundy - either one, BScott are the few that come to mind). |
Van Gundy and Scott have provent that they are very fireable, Scott 3 times. |
Considering that, the same could be said for practically every former NBA coach that's available, couldn't it? Otherwise they wouldn't be available unless they walked away from coaching a team on their own decision, which is pretty rare in the league. Not sure I'm following what you're driving at with this? |
I agree with you, that is why I would like to see someone new. None of the available coaches have won anything, so why not go in a different direction? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:05 am Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | Ollie has the "it" factor when it comes to coaching. The main job of the coach is to command respect and motivate your players. He has that in spades. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Just being real here. I was one of the first to push for Ollie (before his NCAA tourney run too). I have a hard time seeing him leave UCONN right now. So for me, the questions are:
1. Calipari v. MDA: I'll take Cal.
2. Calipari v. the Field: That one is tougher. The available field IMO is Hollins, Scott, Karl, maybe one of the Van Gundy brothers. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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