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| Quote: | 3. Nepotism and cronyism can take a toll.
Lakers owner Jerry Buss, who died in 2013, was the most successful owner in pro sports history, with 10 NBA championship rings and another six appearances in the finals.
But he botched his most important move: the team’s succession plan. He gave effective control to his enigmatic and unproven son, Jim.
Elite organizations don’t do that; so the minute the elder Buss did this, the Lakers effectively renounced their status as an elite organization.
Today, the Lakers are an odd tangle of family dynamics. Jerry’s daughter Jeanie now claims to be the key leader for the Lakers. Yet her claim that “I’m the boss now” has lent about as much assurance to fans as Al Haig’s legendary assertion that “I am in control here.”
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A lot of fans didn't buy that either.
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Save for the nepotism point, the rest of the article seems to be written by someone who doesn't really know much about the Lakers or about basketball.
The comment about teamwork and Kobe's "selfish" game was laughably ironic given that the Lakers are playing "team ball" and losing in unprecedented fashion. |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Quote: | 3. Nepotism and cronyism can take a toll.
Lakers owner Jerry Buss, who died in 2013, was the most successful owner in pro sports history, with 10 NBA championship rings and another six appearances in the finals.
But he botched his most important move: the team’s succession plan. He gave effective control to his enigmatic and unproven son, Jim.
Elite organizations don’t do that; so the minute the elder Buss did this, the Lakers effectively renounced their status as an elite organization.
Today, the Lakers are an odd tangle of family dynamics. Jerry’s daughter Jeanie now claims to be the key leader for the Lakers. Yet her claim that “I’m the boss now” has lent about as much assurance to fans as Al Haig’s legendary assertion that “I am in control here.”
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A lot of fans didn't buy that either. |
I wish Jeanie were in control....but she's powerless to prevent Jim from nuking the franchise from orbit. |
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He didn't say anything that wasn't blatantly obvious for the last 3-4 years or so.
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| kray28_ wrote: | Save for the nepotism point, the rest of the article seems to be written by someone who doesn't really know much about the Lakers or about basketball.
The comment about teamwork and Kobe's "selfish" game was laughably ironic given that the Lakers are playing "team ball" and losing in unprecedented fashion. |
He did not say "team work", he said "top talent and team work". Obviously the combination makes a big difference. |
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| forbes is against nepotism now...that's rich. |
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| P.K. wrote: | | He didn't say anything that wasn't blatantly obvious for the last 3-4 years or so. |
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| Forbes is a rag |
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Forbes??? Cmon man! 
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I read enough to know that:
The writer has a superficial understanding of the Lakers and a selective memory. The only teams who have sustained excellence over a long period of time in recent seasons besides the Lakers are the Spurs, and, farther back, the Bulls. How'd they do it? By building around their great cores.
If the Big Hiccup, aka Shaq, had retired a Laker, as he should have, we would probably have sustained that run longer. After championships runs what happens to teams?.. the inevitable slides.
But the Lakers, to their credit, reloaded relatively quickly (Gasol, championships), and they would have done so again relatively quickly if not for some of the most unfortunate ish (Stern, CP3 fiasco), mistakes (selection of coach) and the Big Get Away for Nothing guy (Howard). Nepotism, etc, is a factor, but its more of a combination of factors (failed trades, a few, but critical mistakes, injuries, Kobe's advancing age, CBA rules designed to stop teams like us ) that converged for the mess to materialize that we're currently in. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Forbes: How The Lakers Got Lousy |
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| kikanga wrote: | http://www.forbes.com/sites/robasghar/2014/04/10/how-the-lakers-got-lousy-cautionary-lessons-for-companies/
Lay off Forbes! I don't need you reminding me we suck when I'm trying to look at investments! |
Kind of a dumb article. Sports teams all eventually fall. |
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| what's the forbes explanation for the financial success of the knicks? |
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You all really want to take a shot at Forbes??? Very funny...
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| Lakers are a laughingstock in all corners. |
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| deal wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | Save for the nepotism point, the rest of the article seems to be written by someone who doesn't really know much about the Lakers or about basketball.
The comment about teamwork and Kobe's "selfish" game was laughably ironic given that the Lakers are playing "team ball" and losing in unprecedented fashion. |
He did not say "team work", he said "top talent and team work". Obviously the combination makes a big difference. |
He would still be wrong, because kobe racked up his highest assists of his career last season. And kobe was looking to facilitate the few games he played this season so yeah.. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | what's the forbes explanation for the financial success of the knicks? |
The article wasn't about the financial success of the Lakers - it was about the on court product.
The Knicks financial success derives from the same source that the Lakers ongoing financial success will derive from while LA's team sucks ---- long term TV contracts.
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| IGSaint wrote: | | deal wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | Save for the nepotism point, the rest of the article seems to be written by someone who doesn't really know much about the Lakers or about basketball.
The comment about teamwork and Kobe's "selfish" game was laughably ironic given that the Lakers are playing "team ball" and losing in unprecedented fashion. |
He did not say "team work", he said "top talent and team work". Obviously the combination makes a big difference. |
He would still be wrong, because kobe racked up his highest assists of his career last season. And kobe was looking to facilitate the few games he played this season so yeah.. |
And that was a mistake. Lakers contracted one of the top 4 leading assist leaders of all times and Kobe decides to facilitate? Not his job and it don't last.
The funny thing is Nash found himself on the floor trying to find out what to do...jezzz. |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | I read enough to know that:
The writer has a superficial understanding of the Lakers and a selective memory. The only teams who have sustained excellence over a long period of time in recent seasons besides the Lakers are the Spurs, and, farther back, the Bulls. How'd they do it? By building around their great cores.
If the Big Hiccup, aka Shaq, had retired a Laker, as he should have, we would probably have sustained that run longer. After championships runs what happens to teams?.. the inevitable slides.
But the Lakers, to their credit, reloaded relatively quickly (Gasol, championships), and they would have done so again relatively quickly if not for some of the most unfortunate ish (Stern, CP3 fiasco), mistakes (selection of coach) and the Big Get Away for Nothing guy (Howard). Nepotism, etc, is a factor, but its more of a combination of factors (failed trades, a few, but critical mistakes, injuries, Kobe's advancing age, CBA rules designed to stop teams like us ) that converged for the mess to materialize that we're currently in. |
Did you even understand what the writer is writing about? He's making a business analogy for the ongoing success through a succession plan for businesses. The Lakers are a great example because of the rapid fall from contender to bottom feeder makes the analogy much easier to illustrate. In business, it happens frequently when a founder or innovator leaves or passes. It usually doesn't happen overnight, but the Lakers problems were a combination of bad luck, a horrible succession plan, pushing elite achievers out of the organization, etc.
Replace the Lakers and Jerry Buss with Sony and Akio Morita then you wouldn't have an issue. It wouldn't be as impactful because that fall was over 20 years not 2 years. |
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| Lakers are lousy because we are in a down cycle. It happens to every team, especially at the tail end of their star player's careers with the team. Lakers have certainly had their down moments under Dr Jerry Buss, no franchise in sports can avoid it. Lakers have just been fortunate to have shorter down years and longer up years than most teams. |
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| deal wrote: | | IGSaint wrote: | | deal wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | Save for the nepotism point, the rest of the article seems to be written by someone who doesn't really know much about the Lakers or about basketball.
The comment about teamwork and Kobe's "selfish" game was laughably ironic given that the Lakers are playing "team ball" and losing in unprecedented fashion. |
He did not say "team work", he said "top talent and team work". Obviously the combination makes a big difference. |
He would still be wrong, because kobe racked up his highest assists of his career last season. And kobe was looking to facilitate the few games he played this season so yeah.. |
And that was a mistake. Lakers contracted one of the top 4 leading assist leaders of all times and Kobe decides to facilitate? Not his job and it don't last.
The funny thing is Nash found himself on the floor trying to find out what to do...jezzz. |
The team played better when kobe was handling the ball than nash period. How do you take the ball out of the hands of a 5 time champion? |
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| IGSaint wrote: | | deal wrote: | | IGSaint wrote: | | deal wrote: | | kray28_ wrote: | Save for the nepotism point, the rest of the article seems to be written by someone who doesn't really know much about the Lakers or about basketball.
The comment about teamwork and Kobe's "selfish" game was laughably ironic given that the Lakers are playing "team ball" and losing in unprecedented fashion. |
He did not say "team work", he said "top talent and team work". Obviously the combination makes a big difference. |
He would still be wrong, because kobe racked up his highest assists of his career last season. And kobe was looking to facilitate the few games he played this season so yeah.. |
And that was a mistake. Lakers contracted one of the top 4 leading assist leaders of all times and Kobe decides to facilitate? Not his job and it don't last.
The funny thing is Nash found himself on the floor trying to find out what to do...jezzz. |
The team played better when kobe was handling the ball than nash period. How do you take the ball out of the hands of a 5 time champion? |
When Kobe took over the Lakers were a better team. He basically told MDA to shove it and slowed the game down. Some of you see what you want to see. |
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| deal wrote: | You all really want to take a shot at Forbes??? Very funny...
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Not as funny as you taking shots at Kobe. |
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Apparently some fans here believe that Forbes is a great place for basketball analysis.
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| Tark the Shark wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | I read enough to know that:
The writer has a superficial understanding of the Lakers and a selective memory. The only teams who have sustained excellence over a long period of time in recent seasons besides the Lakers are the Spurs, and, farther back, the Bulls. How'd they do it? By building around their great cores.
If the Big Hiccup, aka Shaq, had retired a Laker, as he should have, we would probably have sustained that run longer. After championships runs what happens to teams?.. the inevitable slides.
But the Lakers, to their credit, reloaded relatively quickly (Gasol, championships), and they would have done so again relatively quickly if not for some of the most unfortunate ish (Stern, CP3 fiasco), mistakes (selection of coach) and the Big Get Away for Nothing guy (Howard). Nepotism, etc, is a factor, but its more of a combination of factors (failed trades, a few, but critical mistakes, injuries, Kobe's advancing age, CBA rules designed to stop teams like us ) that converged for the mess to materialize that we're currently in. |
Did you even understand what the writer is writing about? He's making a business analogy for the ongoing success through a succession plan for businesses. The Lakers are a great example because of the rapid fall from contender to bottom feeder makes the analogy much easier to illustrate. In business, it happens frequently when a founder or innovator leaves or passes. It usually doesn't happen overnight, but the Lakers problems were a combination of bad luck, a horrible succession plan, pushing elite achievers out of the organization, etc.
Replace the Lakers and Jerry Buss with Sony and Akio Morita then you wouldn't have an issue. It wouldn't be as impactful because that fall was over 20 years not 2 years. |
Yes I did and it doesn't change anything got it? |
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