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| the gold standard in enjoyment was the 80's, and nothing will match that. nothing has matched that. while the team was successful the last decade, all the sniping, infighting and drama took a lot away from it. i think a team that won less championships but was maybe more unified and personally endearing could be as enjoyable. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | i'm not sure why people think the CBA will really change that much. anyone really think durant is eyeing salt lake city, sacramento, milwaukee, minnesota, charlotte, etc. with his max contract?
if durant leaves OKC, big if, it will be for greener pastures and more championships. if the lakers can offer max, then it will be a matter if he thinks LA has, or will, build a team to compete.
also, whatever OP said about this not being 1998 is right. times are different and even OKC players sell jersey's overseas.
with that said these days a basketball player's "income" is not solely based on his bball "salary". heck, shaq once said he hasn't spent a dime of his bball salary and its all off of endorsements. think playing for LA helped a bit?
if a player like lebron/durant want to explode in terms of endorsements and other entertainment type career ventures do you really think there's any place better than LA and any other team that is going to do a better job at adding to one's "image" than LA?
in the end, these guys are all just entertainers. entertainers looking to make the most money possible (salary + post bball life). other than guys like bird who just quietly became an exec, almost ALL of these diva-like nba players (yes, kobe, lebron, durant) will want to have a magic/jordan/shaq like post NBA life. that is, be in the news, be on tv, and make millions upon millions for the rest of their lives. |
One of the problems is teams basically can keep a stud rookie on a contract for 7 years. By the time they truly enter free agency, some are near 27-29 years old (still in prime). So by the time you sign them to a 4 year contract, you're going to be in 27-31 and 29-33 age range. So the drafting team gets 3-4 years of a cheap as dirt contract (while getting great production), keeps them the player in their prime, then can re-start the process by drafting again.
So Lakers are now looking at more possible Melos (29-30 y.o. this summer) as free agents as opposed to getting free agents in their younger primes. And since LA will not be an annual participant in the Lottery, we have to get lucky with finding a lead stud via free agency. |
That not necessary true. These young players coming to the NBA now are under pressure to win early. You already hear people complaining about Kyrie Irving not making the playoffs.
Even if Irving signs a max extension this summer, I doubt he makes it to the end of that contract. No way is Kyrie going six or seven years without being in the playoffs before he ask to be traded.
Another reason the Lakers have an advantage is they know these small market teams can't get another superstar threw FA. Minnesota is going to lose Love because they can't surround him with enuff elite talent.
That's why they signed Brandon Roy, and Kevin Martin. Trying to put a bandaid on a bullet wound.
Love will leave to play with another star, just like Lebron and Bosh did.
Kyrie will leave to play with another star, just like Lebron and Bosh did. |
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| rockyp wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | divncom wrote: | It seems like there are two prevailing philosophies around here at this point and that time is only widening the gap between them.
The first side are labelled reactionaries. They take the stance that the current management has failed. The underlying sentiment seems to be that they feel we're NOT on track to return to greatness.
The second side is loyal to the team's ownership and play the part of "realists" in many contexts here. They take the position that this is just a "typical" developmental cycle. They also argue it's insubordinate of the previous party to constantly undermine front office decisions. The underlying sentiment seems to be we ARE on a NATURAL progression.
Whether we will ever be what we once were seems to be a legitimate question mark. Would it be illogical for us to imagine us going into a similar spiral as the post-dynasty Celtics?
What arguments or evidence are you relying on to supply yourself hope that we're not going to become historical artifacts? What "advantages" do we have?
Isn't it irrational to ASSUME we're somehow going to replicate the level of success we're used to ... ever? Many/most of the elements that led to that formula are gone/have been controlled for, now.
Is this a natural ebb/tide in our orbit around the sun, or have we gone off track into outer space and realms unknown?
Neutral Conclusion: We're not going to be awful forever, but it's also unlikely that we'll have a run of domination similar to the last few decades for a very, very long time. |
another poster asking the same question that BSPN poses everyday. the answer is YES. this aint the first time we had a drought, wont be the last. but we darn sure are not the celtics. the celtics put that great team together recently. how many did they win? ONE. how many did we win? 2. end of discussion. |
Under phil jackson we won 2. By all intents and purposes jim buss has systematically changed or rather destroyed the laker culture. The lakers mystique is gone, the laker lore is gone. |
awful reply. lets not have the revisionist history my friend.
that same pjax got swept by the soft mavs. that was the last we saw of him. so lets not act as if pjax only won rings and never looked bad. the moment his roster no longer looked like they were head and shoulders above the rest. we couldnt win it all.
so sorry its the roster that aged out because we kept trying to squeeze one more out of these guys. and there's nothing wrong with that approach. again this is why we win back 2 backs and 3peats while the spurs do not. we dont change out guys left and right just to stay fresh. thats the spurs. thats why they win a lot of games but can only win here and there and never twice in a row. you mess around and over tweak something thats working. you run the risk of breaking it.
the lakers are like lets wait til it breaks on its own then we will rebuild at that time. and thats where we are now.
what killed the lakers, is the cp3 nixed deal. was that on buss or stern and the small market cry babies?
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Time to be a Clipper fan. |
see ya 
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| The answer is twofold, of course: the Lakers could again become something resembling their earlier teams (i.e., make multiple deep runs to the NBA Finals with some all-time great players), and no - they will never again be what they once were, the Jerry Buss Lakers. |
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Time to be a Clipper fan. |
I wonder if they are discussing the lottery on the Clipper forum out of habit?
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I'm not sure I understand all the doom and gloom. There has been a salary cap in the NBA for 30 years. The new one is obviously more strict, but it isn't like the Lakers were simply buying titles in the past. They had to play by the rules under the old cap, and they'll simply play by the rules under the new cap.
If there were no salary cap, no way would the Lakers start AC Green/Ancient Horace Grant/Robert Horry during the three peat years - they would've bought Karl Malone in the '90s, and they would've tried to buy Tim Duncan in 2003.
Also lost on some posters: the new cap also affects every NBA team, not just the Lakers - so if its harder for the Lakers to field a super team, it'll be harder for their opponents to, as well.
Someone will win an NBA title every year - why not the Lakers?
Bash the Laker front office if it makes you feel better, but the advantage the Lakers have enjoyed since 1979 is still in place - ownership that is competitive. Jerry Buss was a great owner, but he wasn't a magician. What made it work so well is that he wasn't concerned with fielding the cheapest roster he could that would still fill seats - he wanted to win. Jim Buss is the same.
I do understand the fear of becoming the Celtics - but those Celtics became what they were in large part because of two horrible deaths. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Will we ever be what we once were? |
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| divncom wrote: | It seems like there are two prevailing philosophies around here at this point and that time is only widening the gap between them.
The first side are labelled reactionaries. They take the stance that the current management has failed. The underlying sentiment seems to be that they feel we're NOT on track to return to greatness.
The second side is loyal to the team's ownership and play the part of "realists" in many contexts here. They take the position that this is just a "typical" developmental cycle. They also argue it's insubordinate of the previous party to constantly undermine front office decisions. The underlying sentiment seems to be we ARE on a NATURAL progression. |
I absolutely hate these kinds of posts. First of all, there aren't really two sides - that's a message board myth largely perpetuated by posters looking to start flamewars.
The reality is our fanbase is loaded with super intelligent people who are able to understand the nuances of what has happened and what may happen. To try to reduce everyone into two factions is overly-simplistic, divisive and just flat out wrong. |
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| VegasLakerFan wrote: |
The reality is our fanbase is loaded with super intelligent people who are able to understand the nuances of what has happened and what may happen. To try to reduce everyone into two factions is overly-simplistic, divisive and just flat out wrong. |
It's obvious there's a massive division. Whatever your particular stance is, perhaps it's in some unique middle ground or a combination of different views on specific issues, it's still obvious that nearly every thread on this forum is absolutely permeated by an obvious division of people.
It's even obvious in this thread that there is a divergence of viewpoints about management unless you're being completely biased.
Whether my short description captured that division perfectly is debatable, but I wasn't going to write a treatises.
Edit: You can also see an underlying vitriol that hasn't seemed to be present in the past during our "winning" times, with a constant undercurrent of "get the hell out if you disagree" running.
There's nothing wrong with openly acknowledging that.
The best or most agreeable response so far is the one that's put a concrete reevaluation on what we could define as success. It's probably unfair to define success the same way in an age where it seems parity is an underlying theme.
If we can define success as, say, making the playoffs most years in a decade and perhaps winning one (even two championships) in a decade, that's not a catastrophic way of thinking - it's not fatalistic.
The primary question was whether it's reasonable to continue to expect the previous degree of success in an era which is entirely different.
Ironically, having a really distorted perspective like that from the outset is probably a recipe for creating a reactionary mindset.
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| Wildchild027 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | i'm not sure why people think the CBA will really change that much. anyone really think durant is eyeing salt lake city, sacramento, milwaukee, minnesota, charlotte, etc. with his max contract?
if durant leaves OKC, big if, it will be for greener pastures and more championships. if the lakers can offer max, then it will be a matter if he thinks LA has, or will, build a team to compete.
also, whatever OP said about this not being 1998 is right. times are different and even OKC players sell jersey's overseas.
with that said these days a basketball player's "income" is not solely based on his bball "salary". heck, shaq once said he hasn't spent a dime of his bball salary and its all off of endorsements. think playing for LA helped a bit?
if a player like lebron/durant want to explode in terms of endorsements and other entertainment type career ventures do you really think there's any place better than LA and any other team that is going to do a better job at adding to one's "image" than LA?
in the end, these guys are all just entertainers. entertainers looking to make the most money possible (salary + post bball life). other than guys like bird who just quietly became an exec, almost ALL of these diva-like nba players (yes, kobe, lebron, durant) will want to have a magic/jordan/shaq like post NBA life. that is, be in the news, be on tv, and make millions upon millions for the rest of their lives. |
One of the problems is teams basically can keep a stud rookie on a contract for 7 years. By the time they truly enter free agency, some are near 27-29 years old (still in prime). So by the time you sign them to a 4 year contract, you're going to be in 27-31 and 29-33 age range. So the drafting team gets 3-4 years of a cheap as dirt contract (while getting great production), keeps them the player in their prime, then can re-start the process by drafting again.
So Lakers are now looking at more possible Melos (29-30 y.o. this summer) as free agents as opposed to getting free agents in their younger primes. And since LA will not be an annual participant in the Lottery, we have to get lucky with finding a lead stud via free agency. |
That not necessary true. These young players coming to the NBA now are under pressure to win early. You already hear people complaining about Kyrie Irving not making the playoffs.
Even if Irving signs a max extension this summer, I doubt he makes it to the end of that contract. No way is Kyrie going six or seven years without being in the playoffs before he ask to be traded.
Another reason the Lakers have an advantage is they know these small market teams can't get another superstar threw FA. Minnesota is going to lose Love because they can't surround him with enuff elite talent.
That's why they signed Brandon Roy, and Kevin Martin. Trying to put a bandaid on a bullet wound.
Love will leave to play with another star, just like Lebron and Bosh did.
Kyrie will leave to play with another star, just like Lebron and Bosh did. |
And how many years has love played for Minny?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Will we ever be what we once were? |
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| divncom wrote: | | It's even obvious in this thread that there is a divergence of viewpoints about management unless you're being completely biased. |
Duh.
| divncom wrote: | | Whether my short description captured that division perfectly is debatable, but I wasn't going to write a treatises. |
Perhaps not, but your attempt to divide the board into angry people and apologists was shallow and showed a lack of comprehension about the various viewpoints.
| divncom wrote: | | The best or most agreeable response so far is the one that's put a concrete reevaluation on what we could define as success. It's probably unfair to define success the same way in an age where it seems parity is an underlying theme. |
Comments like that make my point.
| divncom wrote: | | Ironically, having a really distorted perspective like that from the outset is probably a recipe for creating a reactionary mindset. |
Er, okay. Whatever you say. |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Time to be a Clipper fan. |
see ya |
Sarcasm. Losing is part of being a fan. Some Laker fans are just ignorant of that fact. Spoiled rotten.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Will we ever be what we once were? |
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| divncom wrote: | | VegasLakerFan wrote: |
The reality is our fanbase is loaded with super intelligent people who are able to understand the nuances of what has happened and what may happen. To try to reduce everyone into two factions is overly-simplistic, divisive and just flat out wrong. |
It's obvious there's a massive division. Whatever your particular stance is, perhaps it's in some unique middle ground or a combination of different views on specific issues, it's still obvious that nearly every thread on this forum is absolutely permeated by an obvious division of people. |
I don't think I'm unique or special - in fact, I think the vast majority of the posters here are able to understand the ins and outs, what-have-yous, etc. of the Lakers' present situation. It's just that the most extreme are usually the most vocal - and we also have posters that create threads which actually label each side and pit 'em against each other in interweb strongman contests. Just sayin'. 
| Quote: | | Edit: You can also see an underlying vitriol that hasn't seemed to be present in the past during our "winning" times, with a constant undercurrent of "get the hell out if you disagree" running. |
Are you kidding? The Phil/Kobe/Shaq love triangle was ridiculous, and Kobe is such a polarizing figure that people can't help but take sides and get all emotional about it. There's always been vitriol - no need to stoke it.
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The best or most agreeable response so far is the one that's put a concrete reevaluation on what we could define as success. It's probably unfair to define success the same way in an age where it seems parity is an underlying theme.
If we can define success as, say, making the playoffs most years in a decade and perhaps winning one (even two championships) in a decade, that's not a catastrophic way of thinking - it's not fatalistic.
The primary question was whether it's reasonable to continue to expect the previous degree of success in an era which is entirely different. |
The Lakers went from 1955 to 1980 while winning one title - and a lot of that had to do with bad luck as much as anything else. Likewise, the Lakers got incredibly lucky from 1980-2010. "Success" isn't defined by how many titles you win, as much as we'd like it to be - success is putting yourself in a position to realistically win, should you get a little luck along the way.
There will always be great players, and great players will always want to play with other great players. So as long as the rest of the league has to abide by the same rules the Lakers do I can't see any reason they can't be contenders in 10 or so out of the next 30 years. |
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Doubtful they will ever be as great, but that is more a testament to the greatness of Showtime and Kobe than a shot at the front office.
It hurts so badly tho because Phil is elite and the Lakers turned him away 
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| I'm going to enjoy being a Lakers fan even if we aren't contenders as long as the players play hard and compete every game, like the first 20 games of this season. I enjoyed the Ceballos years and even the Chucky Atkins season because they competed. |
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Time to be a Clipper fan. |
see ya |
Sarcasm. Losing is part of being a fan. Some Laker fans are just ignorant of that fact. Spoiled rotten. |
i know you were. that "see ya" wasnt for you. it was for those who truly feel that way.
hey i'm as spoiled as they come. i've seen so much winning. we can lose for 20 years straight and i can still reminisce about "that one, or was it two, or was it three, no 4? championships we won back in 80s... or oh remember the other ones we won in the early 2000's." there isnt a sole alive that can do that who is rooting for another franchise.
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Time to be a Clipper fan. |
I hope your joking,
I would rather quit watching Basketball |
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I don't think the Lakers are done yet,
they've still got Mitch, |
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First realize that Kobe is not the player he was. He is still good but not great.
He is way overpaid for his present contributions. You are paying him for his past contributions only.
1. Retain Pau if at 8M a year. But don't overpay.
2. Keep draft choice and draft Exum or a scoring big man.
3. Get a coach who fits the personnel and doesn't have to have players to fit his system. DAntoni needs shooters and runners. Not the style of the older Lakers team.
4. Don't trade away the future. Keep your draft choices and learn to build through the draft.
5. Let Steve Nash walk. He was a mistake. Like Howard and DAntoni.
6. Resign Hill, Pau, X, Farmar, Young, Meeks , Johnson and others at reasonable prices. |
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| Goldenwest wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Time to be a Clipper fan. |
I hope your joking,
I would rather quit watching Basketball |
I'd rather start watching baseball. And that says a lot. Haha. |
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| Voices wrote: | The answer to the question is no, we will never dominate like in the past. The new CBA was designed to somewhat level the playing field and it has. Big spenders will be punished and will be punished more if they repeat their spending that is over the cap limits year after year. Also the state tax is also higher than it was, that takes money directly out of the players and their family pockets. Common sense prevails, money talks, the Lakers do not now have all the appeal they once had, and that was the ability to simply pay more. Now add in Jim Buss vs. Dr. Buss, there is no question that Dr. Buss was a factor in players decision to play for the Lakers, I think there is also no question Jim Buss is not a reason to play for the Lakers. So now some of the reasons to play for the Lakers of the past are now gone, can some of that return, yes, a new CBA in the future can change which will make spending easier, however that is not likely.
The bottom line to me, because the new CBA, and the new state tax, every bad management decision will be harder to recover from, and IMO I have seen the new management waste draft picks which I believe are even more valuable as in the past because of the new CBA. We will never again be able to spend our way out of trouble. The reason that I have been hard on Lakers management is because they have made huge mistakes with coaching decisions, and trading valuable draft picks. The playing field has been leveled and good management is even more important than in the past, and Jim Buss is certainly no Dr. Buss. |
Excellent post. IMO it describes our predicament in a very realistic light. Jim Buss is the last person I'd want to see run this ship in such difficult times.
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| No. 17 wrote: | | Voices wrote: | The answer to the question is no, we will never dominate like in the past. The new CBA was designed to somewhat level the playing field and it has. Big spenders will be punished and will be punished more if they repeat their spending that is over the cap limits year after year. Also the state tax is also higher than it was, that takes money directly out of the players and their family pockets. Common sense prevails, money talks, the Lakers do not now have all the appeal they once had, and that was the ability to simply pay more. Now add in Jim Buss vs. Dr. Buss, there is no question that Dr. Buss was a factor in players decision to play for the Lakers, I think there is also no question Jim Buss is not a reason to play for the Lakers. So now some of the reasons to play for the Lakers of the past are now gone, can some of that return, yes, a new CBA in the future can change which will make spending easier, however that is not likely.
The bottom line to me, because the new CBA, and the new state tax, every bad management decision will be harder to recover from, and IMO I have seen the new management waste draft picks which I believe are even more valuable as in the past because of the new CBA. We will never again be able to spend our way out of trouble. The reason that I have been hard on Lakers management is because they have made huge mistakes with coaching decisions, and trading valuable draft picks. The playing field has been leveled and good management is even more important than in the past, and Jim Buss is certainly no Dr. Buss. |
Excellent post. IMO it describes our predicament in a very realistic light. Jim Buss is the last person I'd want to see run this ship in such difficult times. |
Really? Would you rather have James Dolan? How about Frank McCourt? I hear the Maloofs aren't doing anything. |
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| No. 17 wrote: | | Voices wrote: | The answer to the question is no, we will never dominate like in the past. The new CBA was designed to somewhat level the playing field and it has. Big spenders will be punished and will be punished more if they repeat their spending that is over the cap limits year after year. Also the state tax is also higher than it was, that takes money directly out of the players and their family pockets. Common sense prevails, money talks, the Lakers do not now have all the appeal they once had, and that was the ability to simply pay more. Now add in Jim Buss vs. Dr. Buss, there is no question that Dr. Buss was a factor in players decision to play for the Lakers, I think there is also no question Jim Buss is not a reason to play for the Lakers. So now some of the reasons to play for the Lakers of the past are now gone, can some of that return, yes, a new CBA in the future can change which will make spending easier, however that is not likely.
The bottom line to me, because the new CBA, and the new state tax, every bad management decision will be harder to recover from, and IMO I have seen the new management waste draft picks which I believe are even more valuable as in the past because of the new CBA. We will never again be able to spend our way out of trouble. The reason that I have been hard on Lakers management is because they have made huge mistakes with coaching decisions, and trading valuable draft picks. The playing field has been leveled and good management is even more important than in the past, and Jim Buss is certainly no Dr. Buss. |
Excellent post. IMO it describes our predicament in a very realistic light. Jim Buss is the last person I'd want to see run this ship in such difficult times. |
some of it is true about the state tax and the new cba. BUt the jim buss vs doc buss is completely a media made up situation that fans started to run with as gospel. and because of that maybe NOW players think about it. but there was not many players in the 90's to the 2000's that thought lakers and thought doc buss. they thought lakers and jerry west, they thought lakers and their history of champions/championships. as great as buss was. only the old school players really thought about HIM when they thought about the lakers. most of these young guys were not even born when doc buss was changing the game overall for the nba into a real entertaining product. so they dont know his impact.
its not like he was a big personality like cuban. thats one owner players think about because they know he's going to take care of his guys because his face is all over the place.
some guys think of jordan but since he sucks as an owner. they leave those cats alone as well. some may now think of phil because they know him for winning as a COACH of their favorite teams/players(bulls-jordan, lakers-kobe/shaq).
they may even think of riles since he was a GM/COACH in recent memory that has won wade a few rings and a couple of lbj/bosh.
but no one was thinking about Doc buss when they made a decision to play for L.A.
you play for L.A> because its the biggest stage in basketball. period.
you play for L.A. because its only 2nd to NY as a media hub. which means everytime you do well everyone on the planet knows about it. now granted this also means every time you do something wrong/bad the entire world will know(some guys like dwight cant take this.). but some players understand marketing and they know as long as you're being talked about you're a star(good or bad gossip is still gossip). If TMZ is following you around you're relevant. if not... you're not relevant.
imagine this, there are a few guys in the nba dropping 18 and 10 every night, but not getting a lot of love for it outside of basketball lovers circles and their local fan base. if they do what bazemore did with his little video and go to vegas and ask people "hey do you know who such and such is" which is really asking who they are. half the people wont even know who they are. there's a ton of people that dont watch a lot of basketball that knew shannon brown was a laker. "you play for the lakers right?"
is the kind of stuff a role guy would hear. so a solid player/allstar/borderline allstar would get a lot more love then that.
that means something to a lot of these guys. you are among 300 or so elite players in the world. you want people to know who you are when you walk around. no you ma not want to be rushed every time you hit the movies. but you would like for people to know you. and L.A. Lakers will make sure you're well known across the globe.
the Philippines = laker fans galore. not clippers fans. so its not just any team in L.A. you play for the lakers, you can hop on a plane and head to the Phills and bam instant star status. if matt barnes goes down there right now. they will remember him as a laker and kobe's teammate. Asia for the most part is a kobe fanbase/laker fanbase. Europe same thing. if they like basketball, best believe they are laker fans.
^^that allure will not change in one or two or 3 years. it didnt change during the 10+ year dry spell we had post magic era into the shaq/kobe era. so that wont change now.
its just that this is the era of "whats trending now" so people get all antsy about the lakers not trending as winners NOW.
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| People are acting like we didn't have KOBE BRYANT- one of the greatest players of all time. These guys aren't guaranteed to come around every other draft. No one kknows when we'll see a talent like that again. It has NOTHING to do with the front office. |
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