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GonzagaAlum
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 Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:38 am Post subject: Hypothetical would you deal #6 for..... |
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A Suns package of
#14
#17
#27
2015 Lakers 1st
If I was the Lakers I think I'd do this.
You'd likely be getting something like
Tyler Ennis at #14
Adreian Payne at #17
Jordan Adams at #27
plus insurance having next seasons first back, or even the ability to trade that first next season down the road.
Thoughts?
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suns wouldn't do it
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| Chronicle wrote: | | suns wouldn't do it |
The Suns would be crazy not to do it. The Lakers would be crazy to do it.
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | suns wouldn't do it |
The Suns would be crazy not to do it. The Lakers would be crazy to do it. |
The key to me is the pick next year. You do this trade if you plan on tanking 2015. If you do, you got 3 rookies and a top 5 pick next year.
James Young at #14
Kyle Anderson #17
Shabazz Napier #27
I'd be ok watching:
Shabazz
Young
Kobe
Anderson
Whoever
Next year. At least we'd have some young talent. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lebrons wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | suns wouldn't do it |
The Suns would be crazy not to do it. The Lakers would be crazy to do it. |
The key to me is the pick next year. You do this trade if you plan on tanking 2015. If you do, you got 3 rookies and a top 5 pick next year.
James Young at #14
Kyle Anderson #17
Shabazz Napier #27
I'd be ok watching:
Shabazz
Young
Kobe
Anderson
Whoever
Next year. At least we'd have some young talent. |
Yeah, but outside of Kobe young talent would be the ONLY thing we would have with that roster. Kobe would rip the hair he doesn't have out! |
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No way the Suns add in the 2015 1st. That is too much. But, if the Suns truly thought there was that one special player at 6, then they could swap all 3 of their 1st rounders in this draft. I mean the Indy pick ?...Hell, the Suns might trade that away anyways for either a future 1st, or two 2nd rounders in this draft that are not guaranteed contracts. So really it comes down to swapping 6 for 14. And for moving up those 8 spots, Phoenix gives 17 and 28.
That seems like it's possible. But no way do they add in the Lakers 2015 Top-5 protected 1st. |
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Trades like that are tempting.
Rodney Hood
Jeremi Grant/Adreian Payne
Deonte Burton
Solidifies cap room too.
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| stianolini wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | suns wouldn't do it |
The Suns would be crazy not to do it. The Lakers would be crazy to do it. |
The key to me is the pick next year. You do this trade if you plan on tanking 2015. If you do, you got 3 rookies and a top 5 pick next year.
James Young at #14
Kyle Anderson #17
Shabazz Napier #27
I'd be ok watching:
Shabazz
Young
Kobe
Anderson
Whoever
Next year. At least we'd have some young talent. |
Yeah, but outside of Kobe young talent would be the ONLY thing we would have with that roster. Kobe would rip the hair he doesn't have out! |
He'd be ok if we also signed Melo |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:40 pm Post subject: how about trade current draft pick + nash for top 3 pick |
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| I will admit I want the lakers to pick either exum, wiggins or parker. With that in mind, and I am not sure this is possible but what if we could trade away nash plus the pick which most likely will be pick #6 for a top 3 pick? The team that takes nash on can then release him and use the Stretch Provision on him. I am not sure if another team can use the Stretch Provision on nash but I am hopeful they can. So basically our #6 pick and cap relief for a top 3 pick...maybe the lakers can make this trade scenario sweeter but i am not sure how you can make this trade better. |
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GonzagaAlum
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:12 am Post subject: Re: how about trade current draft pick + nash for top 3 pick |
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| atlas1015 wrote: | | I will admit I want the lakers to pick either exum, wiggins or parker. With that in mind, and I am not sure this is possible but what if we could trade away nash plus the pick which most likely will be pick #6 for a top 3 pick? The team that takes nash on can then release him and use the Stretch Provision on him. I am not sure if another team can use the Stretch Provision on nash but I am hopeful they can. So basically our #6 pick and cap relief for a top 3 pick...maybe the lakers can make this trade scenario sweeter but i am not sure how you can make this trade better. |
What are you smoking?
Someone is going to let the Lakers MOVE up when throwing in Nash?
I'll tell you probably what you could do as the Lakers if you want to dump Nash... assuming the Lotto doesn't have any big surprises....
Philly would probably trade #10 (from New Orleans) for #6 and Nash. They have no need for their cap at the moment. That's probably what you're looking at if you want to dump Nash... best offer. No way you'd move up.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| What if by magic they get the number 1 postion would they still trade it? |
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GonzagaAlum
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Cup-of-noodles wrote: | | What if by magic they get the number 1 postion would they still trade it? |
Honestly, beside the Lakers moving up into the top 3... Orlando moving up might be the best thing that could happen for the Lakers.
All mocks have them drafting Exum at 3. Seeing they are the only other team he's likely to work out with... if he passes them... He could plausibly fall to the Lakers.
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| Orlando is still laughing at us about the D12 trade. |
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I would be shocked if Phoenix used all three of their picks. There is no way Phoenix gives us back our 2015 pick given that it will probably be a lottery pick. The Lakers have to consider acquiring talent while maintaining a terrible team at least through next year. If we are going to be bad, be bad enough to get a top 5 pick that we will not have to fork over to Phoenix. The year to make moves to be good again is 2016 when the pick will be totally unprotected.
In other words, I would much rather give Phoenix a 16th pick as opposed to a 6th pick.
As for this years draft, Phoenix has picks that could be had. I would not give up my lotter pick for them though. Given the state of the Lakers, we could potentially draft a star with #6 or better as opposed to role players. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| King beef wrote: | I would be shocked if Phoenix used all three of their picks. There is no way Phoenix gives us back our 2015 pick given that it will probably be a lottery pick. The Lakers have to consider acquiring talent while maintaining a terrible team at least through next year. If we are going to be bad, be bad enough to get a top 5 pick that we will not have to fork over to Phoenix. The year to make moves to be good again is 2016 when the pick will be totally unprotected.
In other words, I would much rather give Phoenix a 16th pick as opposed to a 6th pick.
As for this years draft, Phoenix has picks that could be had. I would not give up my lotter pick for them though. Given the state of the Lakers, we could potentially draft a star with #6 or better as opposed to role players. |
See this is why I think Phoenix might consider a deal like this...
The best they can hope for is #6 in the draft - next year.
But it's next years draft... less talent. A #6 pick next is likely the caliber of a #13ish pick in this draft... because you literally have 8 guys in it who would have probably gone #1 last season or at least be picked by #3.
So they have a fear over the Lakers being too bad #5... or a fear that the Lakers push them back to around 13-18 (very plausible if they don't have their pick).
If I was Mitch this should be priority #1 of a rebuild... get 2015 back... and 2-3 picks in this draft... Then your have a lot more freedom this off season. You don't have to force things as the Lakers.
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I don't criticize the trade for Nash because it seemed great at the time however looking back the Lakers should have recieved better protection for the pick. Heres what Charlotte did for the tyrus Thomas pick
• Charlotte trades a 2012 first round draft pick (top 14 protected in 2012, top 12 protected in 2013, top 10 protected in 2014, top 8 protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016) to Chicago as part of the Tyrus Thomas trade.
They went from top 14 to 12 to 10 to 8 to unprotected. Setting the bar at top five was kind of low. Dallas had six years of protection for Lamar Odom
http://losangeles.sbnation.com/los-angeles-lakers/2011/12/11/2628120/lamar-odom-trade-dallas-mavericks-protected-draft-pick-los-angeles-lakers |
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| no I would keep our pick |
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The Suns would not give us 3 picks this year and our first round pick back next year.
But for #6, they might consider giving us 2 picks this year and next years, or maybe the 3 picks this year, but hold on to next years. The Suns had a lot fo rookies this year, so it would seem they would want to cut down on the youth movement a bit. |
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| waterman40 wrote: | The Suns would not give us 3 picks this year and our first round pick back next year.
But for #6, they might consider giving us 2 picks this year and next years, or maybe the 3 picks this year, but hold on to next years. The Suns had a lot fo rookies this year, so it would seem they would want to cut down on the youth movement a bit. |
I agree in hindsight and in even a later post... I mention how likely they wouldn't be willing to do 3.
#14 and #17 (I think #27 and #14 with 2015 they'd do) with 2015 would probably be pretty hard for them to part with, though if I were the Lakers... I still would. The west is just so strong right now.
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| The Suns now need some Vets..lets give them Nash back...lol |
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| Cup-of-noodles wrote: | | Orlando is still laughing at us about the D12 trade. |
Lakers got out from under a potentially re-signed Bynum deal in that transaction. |
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| Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | Cup-of-noodles wrote: | | Orlando is still laughing at us about the D12 trade. |
Lakers got out from under a potentially re-signed Bynum deal in that transaction. |
Yep... in hindsight... actually Melo for Bynum was the big mistake... passing up that option. But the Dwight trade really isn't all that bad.
Ironically the Lakers could have also probably gotten CP3 for Bynum.
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| GonzagaAlum wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | Cup-of-noodles wrote: | | Orlando is still laughing at us about the D12 trade. |
Lakers got out from under a potentially re-signed Bynum deal in that transaction. |
Yep... in hindsight... actually Melo for Bynum was the big mistake... passing up that option. But the Dwight trade really isn't all that bad.
Ironically the Lakers could have also probably gotten CP3 for Bynum. |
Melo for Bynum would have just been so fabulous.
Fisher-Kobe-Melo-Odom-Pau would have been awesome.Yes, defense sucks but you could get some defenders with the MLE/vets min. That would be an offensive juggernaut.
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| Cup-of-noodles wrote: | | Orlando is still laughing at us about the D12 trade. |
Philly is the one that should be laughed at. The only usable asset we traded for Howard is likely to be the 10th - 15th pick in a below average draft. |
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Cup-of-noodles wrote: | | Orlando is still laughing at us about the D12 trade. |
Philly is the one that should be laughed at. The only usable asset we traded for Howard is likely to be the 10th - 15th pick in a below average draft. |
The pick is in 2017 isn't it? Too early to tell what the Lakers pick would be then. By then they could have Durant, Westbrook, Love, etc... or someone else.
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